Coronavirus COVID-19

[CAA Flagship]

This isn't that hard to understand. Vaccines have proven to provide a certain level of defense in fighting the disease. But that level wanes over time. Natural immunity, for many people, provides a higher level of defense compared to vaccines. But that level wanes over time as well. Add to that, the amount of viral load with each infection can be different. Some get such a small amount that they fight off easily. Others get a larger amount that produces greater symptoms. And depending at when you get infected, compared to peak natural immunity or peak vaccine immunity, the results can vary based on viral load and personal fat-fuckerance.

[SeattleGriz]

This isn't that hard to understand. Vaccines have proven to provide a certain level of defense in fighting the disease. But that level wanes over time. Natural immunity, for many people, provides a higher level of defense compared to vaccines. But that level wanes over time as well. Add to that, the amount of viral load with each infection can be different. Some get such a small amount that they fight off easily. Others get a larger amount that produces greater symptoms. And depending at when you get infected, compared to peak natural immunity or peak vaccine immunity, the results can vary based on viral load and personal fat-fuckerance.

Beautiful. In your face StOnge.

[CID1990]

This isn't that hard to understand. Vaccines have proven to provide a certain level of defense in fighting the disease. But that level wanes over time. Natural immunity, for many people, provides a higher level of defense compared to vaccines. But that level wanes over time as well. Add to that, the amount of viral load with each infection can be different. Some get such a small amount that they fight off easily. Others get a larger amount that produces greater symptoms. And depending at when you get infected, compared to peak natural immunity or peak vaccine immunity, the results can vary based on viral load and personal fat-fuckerance.

*fat-fuckeruckity


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[Gil Dobie]

Friend in his 30s, recovered from covid, was told by Dr, he had a scarred lung. He'll have a covid cough for life.

[SeattleGriz]

Dang.

[Gil Dobie]

Dang.

I haven't seen one governor credit a mask mandate.

[AZGrizFan]

Are the breakthrough cases greater than 10% of people fully vaccinated? 2 shots and a booster?

I know it's anecdotal, but I know at least 50 people who got Omicron (compared to two who had the first strain) and 100% of them are double vax and boosted.

More anecdotal: we have 200 new cases at work in the past 2 months, 80% of them are vaccinated.

[HI54UNI]

Stats from local hospital. 50% of cases are vaxxed. 50% are not.

[HI54UNI]

A former employee is in his upper 70s and caught covid. Had a doc that prescribed Ivermectin, a steroid to open us his lungs, and a heavy dose of vitamin D, C, and zinc. Was over it in 2 days.

[SDHornet]

Are the breakthrough cases greater than 10% of people fully vaccinated? 2 shots and a booster?

If the vaccines are all that and a bag of chips, why do we need to get ANOTHER shot every 4 months?

[SDHornet]

A former employee is in his upper 70s and caught covid. Had a doc that prescribed Ivermectin, a steroid to open us his lungs, and a heavy dose of vitamin D, C, and zinc. Was over it in 2 days.

I've got a couple of anecdotal cases like this. My old college roommate's brother was on his death bed in October with the China Virus. Wrote up a will and everything. Things were looking very grim. A nurse friend of theirs gave them Ivermectin and he was back on his feet in 48 hours. Same college roommate had a coworker (he, his brother and this coworker all work at the same utility service company) had the same thing happen, was down for the count with the China Virus and Ivermectin got him back on his feet.

Did Ivermectin get them back on their feet or did their bodies finally fight off the China Virus? Who knows, but again, why not throw everything and the kitchen sink at it (especially if it a medicine that has long been on the open market) to get better.

[SDHornet]

Oh.

[SeattleGriz]

Madness. Asked by the FDA to submit before they have ANY proof the vaccines will work in children. Tested around Christmas and two doses failed, but sure, let's just approve it, give them a third shot and see if it works.

If this doesn't make you realize the FDA has been captured by pharma interests, I don't know what will.

Remember. If this gets added to the children's schedule, Pfizer gets the all encompassing liability protection they are seeking. Big reason why you don't see Comirnaty in the US. It is not under that umbrella of protection yet.

https://www.statnews.com/2022/02/02/wor ... -backfire/

The Food and Drug Administration’s willingness to consider authorizing a Covid-19 vaccine developed by Pfizer and BioNTech for children under the age of 5 — without evidence yet that it would be protective — is raising concerns among some vaccine experts who fear the plan could backfire and undermine vaccine uptake in this group

Pfizer and BioNTech confirmed Tuesday that they had been asked by the FDA to submit an application for the use of a two-dose vaccine in children 6 months to 4 years old. Data on a third shot would be submitted to regulators once they became available in the spring — ostensibly clearing the way for the agency to authorize a three-shot regimen for the youngest children who can get vaccinated.

Pfizer announced before Christmas that in a clinical trial of children aged 2 to 4 years old, two doses of vaccine failed to generate antibody levels on par with those seen in people aged 16 to 25 after two shots.

None of the experts STAT spoke to for this article could recall a precedent for this approach. And several worried going down this path could erode willingness on the part of parents of young children to get them vaccinated. To date only about 20% of children aged 5 to 11 have received two doses of vaccine, according to CDC data.

[SeattleGriz]

Oh.

Politifact debunked this. Apparently the dataset for the last five years was bad. The current year is good, but the old data is bad. You buy that story? Amazing how nobody noticed the data from 2014-2020 was bad.

[Gil Dobie]

I know it's anecdotal, but I know at least 50 people who got Omicron (compared to two who had the first strain) and 100% of them are double vax and boosted.

More anecdotal: we have 200 new cases at work in the past 2 months, 80% of them are vaccinated.

Makes sense, if everyone is vaxxed, vaxxed cases will be higher, is the sky falling? What percent of total fully vaxxed are getting covid? Is the 90% effective true or not? Texas has over 29 million people and over 6 million cases. How many of the 29 million were fully vaxxed and how many of those vaxxed have covid?

[Gil Dobie]

I know it's anecdotal, but I know at least 50 people who got Omicron (compared to two who had the first strain) and 100% of them are double vax and boosted.

More anecdotal: we have 200 new cases at work in the past 2 months, 80% of them are vaccinated.

2 of the 3 people I know were not vaxxed, the guy with the covid cough and the guy that just came off the vent. The over-weight lady, over 65 with congestive heart issues, was fully vaxxed and recovered at home.

[SeattleGriz]

More anecdotal: we have 200 new cases at work in the past 2 months, 80% of them are vaccinated.

Makes sense, if everyone is vaxxed, vaxxed cases will be higher, is the sky falling? What percent of total fully vaxxed are getting covid? Is the 90% effective true or not? Texas has over 29 million people and over 6 million cases. How many of the 29 million were fully vaxxed and how many of those vaxxed have covid?

The vaccine was only 90% effective at reducing mild to moderate Covid for the first 2-3 months. Been dropping ever since and is negative in many instances now with Omicron.

[89Hen]

Stats from local hospital. 50% of cases are vaxxed. 50% are not.

I heard all the folks in the hospital are unvaxxed.

[Gil Dobie]

Makes sense, if everyone is vaxxed, vaxxed cases will be higher, is the sky falling? What percent of total fully vaxxed are getting covid? Is the 90% effective true or not? Texas has over 29 million people and over 6 million cases. How many of the 29 million were fully vaxxed and how many of those vaxxed have covid?

The vaccine was only 90% effective at reducing mild to moderate Covid for the first 2-3 months. Been dropping ever since and is negative in many instances now with Omicron.

I would like to see some stats before I jump on the sky is falling wagon.

[Gil Dobie]

Stats from local hospital. 50% of cases are vaxxed. 50% are not.

I heard all the folks in the hospital are unvaxxed.

I've heard the anti-vax people say that the vax people say all the folks in the hospital are unvaxxed. I haven't heard that all the people in the hospital are unvaxxed from a credible source though.

[89Hen]

I heard all the folks in the hospital are unvaxxed.

I've heard the anti-vax people say that the vax people say all the folks in the hospital are unvaxxed. I haven't heard that all the people in the hospital are unvaxxed from a credible source though.

I've only heard vax people say they've only heard the anti-vax people say that the vax people say all the folks in the hospital are unvaxxed

[Gil Dobie]

I've heard the anti-vax people say that the vax people say all the folks in the hospital are unvaxxed. I haven't heard that all the people in the hospital are unvaxxed from a credible source though.

I've only heard vax people say they've only heard the anti-vax people say that the vax people say all the folks in the hospital are unvaxxed

Well, you are hearing different from me, I'm fully vaxxed and there are both vaxxed and unvaxxed in the hospitals.

[89Hen]

Unvaccinated Covid Patients Push Hospital Systems Past the Brink

Pennsylvania hospitals say the vast majority of hospitalized coronavirus patients are still unvaccinated — as high as 90% at some hospitals — even as more vaccinated people are also getting infected amid the omicron-delta surge.

Illinois Hospitals ‘Completely Overwhelmed’ By Unvaccinated COVID-19 Patients, Officials Say

[Gil Dobie]

Unvaccinated Covid Patients Push Hospital Systems Past the Brink

Pennsylvania hospitals say the vast majority of hospitalized coronavirus patients are still unvaccinated — as high as 90% at some hospitals — even as more vaccinated people are also getting infected amid the omicron-delta surge.

Illinois Hospitals ‘Completely Overwhelmed’ By Unvaccinated COVID-19 Patients, Officials Say

They are not saying there are no vaxxed people in the hospital, just saying the rate is higher. And yes, media does media things like spinning to their followers.

The stats below show that vaxxed people are being hospitalized.

Washington State Study
COVID-19 hospitalization rates per 100,000 population from December 22 to
January 18, 2022

Rate per 100,000
Age 12-34, unvaxxed, 138.5, vaxxed 26.0, 5 times higher in unvaccinated
Age 35-64, unvaxxed, 392.8, vaxxed 52.9, 7 times higher in unvaccinated
Age 65+, unvaxxed, 1,196.8, vaxxed 159.3, 8 times higher in unvaccinated

Washington State Dept of Health Link

[GannonFan]

I think an interesting stat to consider is that of the folks who did get fully vaxxed in the US, only half of them have gotten the booster shot. What happened to that population that was so gung-ho to get vaccinated, that half of them afterwards have decided not to get the booster? We talk about the divide all the time between the vaxxed and unvaxxed, but even in the vaxxed population there is a sizeable number who have eschewed further vaccinations. And they all can't be Republicans.