The Trump Whistleblower Extravaganza Thread

[SeattleGriz]

So Lawfare missed a rule and now Reps get to call a witness they want? Gotta see how this plays out.

[CID1990]

Oh absolutely. Pakistan is well on its way to being a Chinese vassal anyway... like 90% of the rest of the world


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[houndawg]

Once impeachment is over, maybe we can have a conversation over why we are giving military aid to Ukraine in the first place.

Playing footsie with them over NATO membership is what precipitated their troubles in the first place. Now we give them military aid.

Ultimately, every single foreign policy professional who has credibly testified in the impeachment hearings about how the “real” foreign policy was being conducted by FP professionals .... while Rudy, et al were conducting their own parallel “diplomacy”... every one of them has been working out of a position that Ukraine needs aid to counter Russia. Which lead to them need more aid down the road. And then more and more.


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Profits.


Duh.

[Skjellyfetti]

So Lawfare missed a rule and now Reps get to call a witness they want? Gotta see how this plays out.

What?

What rule did Lawfare miss and why does it matter?

There have been 3 witnesses from the Republican witness list that have testified already.

[∞∞∞]

This is the first time you have seen this video?

Doesn't change the fact that Biden was bragging after successfully conducting official business for the interests of the United States. Unlike your boy who has his personal attorney doing unaccountable shadow-diplomacy for the interests of one person (himself). But hey, nice to see you'll be defending the next donk President asking foreign nations to investigate rivals based on their fantasy conspiracies.

[Ibanez]

Yeah, no doubt Hunter working there was a dipshit move. Definitely don't dispute that.

I wonder if Burisma got their 50k per month worth out of him

He must have provided some really valuable service to Burisma

He sure was valuable to Rosemont Capital


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Well, his employment was shady but I am eager to see what Sen. Graham uncovers. I'm really eager to see how Hunter's employment was either an abuse of power on Daddy's part or in the national interest.

[Ibanez]

Why’s an investigation into a political opponent pertinent in the release of aid?


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Why is investigating corruption a problem if a political opponent committed a crime?

That was my point. IF what Rudy has said is true, does it still mean Joe cannot be investigated just because he is a political opponent?

Does it ever become okay to investigate Biden?

If it was about investigating corruption, then why bring up the 2016 election, a conspiracy theory and your political opponent. The problem that I see, is that in the transcript, I see President Z ask for aid and then Trump go into Biden. He doesn't talk about national security or Russia or anything like that. He talks about Burisma(which is Biden, let's be honest), Crowdstrike and a conspiracy theory about the 2016 election that goes against what his own government and the GOP have concluded.

Investigate corruption. Do it. Biden, Obama, Trump, etc... i don't care who gets caught up. But don't tie it do foreign aid and don't do it through your personal lawyer. He has a major bureaucracy at his disposal and he goes to Rudy? You have to see that something fishy is going on. Mulvaney already confirmed as much.

Now, answer my question sir.

[Ibanez]

Ok. What’s that got to do with Trump asking a foreign government to open an investigation that has no bearing on American foreign policy or is in its national interests?

Follow up question, since that’s the favor Trump requested in order to provide money and military aid, how does an investigation into Biden a national security issue? Furthermore, if Biden's alleged actions were so nefarious why did it take until 2019 for it to be discovered?

How does the announcement of an investigation into Burisma or Biden benefit America? I fail to see the connection.

Another follow up - if that’s from 2006 (which I thought this occurred DURING the Obama administration) why haven’t the Republicans cared to investigate or compel the Biden's to testify? For that matter, why aren’t the Biden's being investigated now since the GOP holds the Senate and Lindsey Graham chairs the committee that would call for that testimony?

How does it benefit the US to get a corrupt person fired in a country where we are fighting a proxy war against the Russians? And who in 2019 benefits from this sudden desire to get to the truth? It deserves an answer. If Biden abused his power, he should be held accountable.

I have been listening to more Fox News and Rush than I care to admit and I have yet to hear a serious, legitimate reason why it's in America's best interest to figure out if Biden abused his office in getting someone fired 5 years ago.

This is the first time you have seen this video?

It doesn't ring a bell. I've heard about it, but I hadn't seen the actual video.


So it brings us back to my questions, bolded above.

[CID1990]

I wonder if Burisma got their 50k per month worth out of him

He must have provided some really valuable service to Burisma

He sure was valuable to Rosemont Capital


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Well, his employment was shady but I am eager to see what Sen. Graham uncovers. I'm really eager to see how Hunter's employment was either an abuse of power on Daddy's part or in the national interest.

IMO it doesn’t matter. Biden isn’t in office now and probably won’t be in the future if he keeps sounding like a doddering old man in the debates

LOTS of spouses, children and sibling capitalize on their officeholder parents ... from national office all the way down to the local

It will never change because both sides want to criticize it only when someone from the other side is doing it

It just amuses me that the son of a VPOTUS could be paid 50k a month by a Slavic country petro company and anyone could try to assert that the kid had the job for anything other than to curry favor and influence with the parent


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[Ibanez]

Well, his employment was shady but I am eager to see what Sen. Graham uncovers. I'm really eager to see how Hunter's employment was either an abuse of power on Daddy's part or in the national interest.

IMO it doesn’t matter. Biden isn’t in office now and probably won’t be in the future if he keeps sounding like a doddering old man in the debates

LOTS of spouses, children and sibling capitalize on their officeholder parents ... from national office all the way down to the local

It will never change because both sides want to criticize it only when someone from the other side is doing it

It just amuses me that the son of a VPOTUS could be paid 50k a month by a Slavic country petro company and anyone could try to assert that the kid had the job for anything other than to curry favor and influence with the parent


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That's right. It doesn't matter.

[AZGrizFan]

IMO it doesn’t matter. Biden isn’t in office now and probably won’t be in the future if he keeps sounding like a doddering old man in the debates

LOTS of spouses, children and sibling capitalize on their officeholder parents ... from national office all the way down to the local

It will never change because both sides want to criticize it only when someone from the other side is doing it

It just amuses me that the son of a VPOTUS could be paid 50k a month by a Slavic country petro company and anyone could try to assert that the kid had the job for anything other than to curry favor and influence with the parent


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That's right. It doesn't matter.

Unless you ignore the obvious.

[CAA Flagship]

TBH, I would be good with a significant reduction in most military aid to Israel with the exception of ABM defense. In fact, ABM defense is about the extent of physical military aid that I would supply to any of our allies. They can pay for everything else.


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And can we zero out Pakistan, Egypt, and Jordan, for starters?

Leave Jordan alone. The Queen is hot.

[Ibanez]

That's right. It doesn't matter.

Unless you ignore the obvious.

I never said it was wise for Hunter to take that position. It was stupid and the optics aren't good. But there isn't any evidence of wrong doing.

Now if I can just find that article where it was reported that Ukraine re-opened the investigation into Burisma in 2018.

[HI54UNI]

Well, his employment was shady but I am eager to see what Sen. Graham uncovers. I'm really eager to see how Hunter's employment was either an abuse of power on Daddy's part or in the national interest.

It just amuses me that the son of a VPOTUS could be paid 50k a month by a Slavic country petro company and anyone could try to assert that the kid had the job for anything other than to curry favor and influence with the parent


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I'm sure Hunter is much smarter than the Exxon board members who receive about $28k a month in fees and stock grants.

[Ibanez]

Serious question:

Trump and the Republicans have said this impeachment inquiry is illegal, unconstitutional,etc... and for those reasons they are not allowing/discouraging people from testifying. Is that correct?


So would the fact that Trump now says he wants a trial, legitimize the impeachment inquiry and remove one of the main arguments for not cooperating?


Logically, am I understanding that correctly?

[Ivytalk]

Serious question:

Trump and the Republicans have said this impeachment inquiry is illegal, unconstitutional,etc... and for those reasons they are not allowing/discouraging people from testifying. Is that correct?


So would the fact that Trump now says he wants a trial, legitimize the impeachment inquiry and remove one of the main arguments for not cooperating?


Logically, am I understanding that correctly?

Well, Trump doesn’t think logically, so...

Let’s just get this over with as soon as possible, one way or the other.

[Ibanez]

Serious question:

Trump and the Republicans have said this impeachment inquiry is illegal, unconstitutional,etc... and for those reasons they are not allowing/discouraging people from testifying. Is that correct?


So would the fact that Trump now says he wants a trial, legitimize the impeachment inquiry and remove one of the main arguments for not cooperating?


Logically, am I understanding that correctly?

Well, Trump doesn’t think logically, so...

Let’s just get this over with as soon as possible, one way or the other.

I agree. Giant Meteor 2020!

[GannonFan]

Well, Trump doesn’t think logically, so...

Let’s just get this over with as soon as possible, one way or the other.

I agree. Giant Meteor 2020!

Trying to apply logic to anything that Trump does is just going down the wrong road. As for the Senate trial, I'm sure they'll try to tie it up as long as they can now - that way they force Democratic Presidential candidates who are Senators to sit in Washington for much of the time being able to say anything while in session, and at the end when he's not removed from office he can have a press conference and say he was totally exonerated. I just know he'll try to suck up all the air in the room and dominate all the press covering during that time. It's what he does.

[BDKJMU]

Not resuming the hearings until Dec 3.. Why the 12 day break?

[SeattleGriz]

So Lawfare missed a rule and now Reps get to call a witness they want? Gotta see how this plays out.

What?

What rule did Lawfare miss and why does it matter?

There have been 3 witnesses from the Republican witness list that have testified already.

Conservative Treehouse wrote about all this last year when the Dems hired three Lawfare attorneys to help them change the House rules to get ready for their impeachment hearings.

Except, they apparently missed a rule that will essentially allow the Reps to run the hearings for a day as the minority. Of course we know Schiff won't allow that.

[houndawg]

Not resuming the hearings until Dec 3.. Why the 12 day break?

Thanksgiving?

[houndawg]

FIFY

Isn't that what the leftists said about the Russia Trump collusion hoax? Oh, yes, yes it is.

When your only defense is to keep people from testifying, you did it.

[BDKJMU]

Not resuming the hearings until Dec 3.. Why the 12 day break?

Thanksgiving?

Who in the hell takes 12 days off for Thanksgiving?

[houndawg]

Thanksgiving?

Who in the hell takes 12 days off for Thanksgiving?

The same people that pay themselves $174k/yr for part-time work?

[BDKJMU]

Who in the hell takes 12 days off for Thanksgiving?

The same people that pay themselves $174k/yr for part-time work?

Let me guess, the lazy fucks (both parties) will probably take 4 weeks for Christmas/New Years.