NFL 2019 Season

[93henfan]

Eagles sign Josh McCown out of retirement so they can finish the preseason.

Sudfeld - broken wrist
Kessler - concussion
Thorson - sucks
Wentz - hasn't suited up in two games

[Chizzang]

Eagles sign Josh McCown out of retirement so they can finish the preseason.

Sudfeld - broken wrist
Kessler - concussion
Thorson - sucks
Wentz - hasn't suited up in two games

NFL pundit chatter says the Eagles release Sudfeld before game one of the regular season
and keep Josh McCown

[GannonFan]

Eagles sign Josh McCown out of retirement so they can finish the preseason.

Sudfeld - broken wrist
Kessler - concussion
Thorson - sucks
Wentz - hasn't suited up in two games

NFL pundit chatter says the Eagles release Sudfeld before game one of the regular season
and keep Josh McCown

NFL pundit chatter is stupid. Kessler is going to get the boot, Thorson will be put on the practice squad if they think they can sneak him onto it, and Sudfeld is the clear #2 QB and will be back to that spot by week #3. The idea is to never have McCown take an actual snap in a game the whole year. That's what you hope from your #3 QB.

[Chizzang]

Yesterday some Sports Radio guy called Jimmy Garoppolo "the Italian Brock Osweiler...."
and I'm still laughing

[Ivytalk]

NFL pundit chatter says the Eagles release Sudfeld before game one of the regular season
and keep Josh McCown

NFL pundit chatter is stupid. Kessler is going to get the boot, Thorson will be put on the practice squad if they think they can sneak him onto it, and Sudfeld is the clear #2 QB and will be back to that spot by week #3. The idea is to never have McCown take an actual snap in a game the whole year. That's what you hope from your #3 QB.

McCown looked OK last night: 2 TDS, no picks. Eagles sleepwalked through another exhibition loss, but no real worries. Pass rush has to improve.

[GannonFan]

NFL pundit chatter is stupid. Kessler is going to get the boot, Thorson will be put on the practice squad if they think they can sneak him onto it, and Sudfeld is the clear #2 QB and will be back to that spot by week #3. The idea is to never have McCown take an actual snap in a game the whole year. That's what you hope from your #3 QB.

McCown looked OK last night: 2 TDS, no picks. Eagles sleepwalked through another exhibition loss, but no real worries. Pass rush has to improve.

First team offensive players looked fine. Kessler had his last chance last night and he looked terrible, so he'll be off the roster soon. Haven't really played the starters on defense yet but the second team looks good. Team looks real good to me, stay healthy and winning another Super Bowl is very realistic. Long way to there from here, but so far so good.

[93henfan]

McCown looked OK last night: 2 TDS, no picks. Eagles sleepwalked through another exhibition loss, but no real worries. Pass rush has to improve.

First team offensive players looked fine. Kessler had his last chance last night and he looked terrible, so he'll be off the roster soon. Haven't really played the starters on defense yet but the second team looks good. Team looks real good to me, stay healthy and winning another Super Bowl is very realistic. Long way to there from here, but so far so good.

The O-line is ridiculously good. Vaitai is vastly improved, Peters is now 100% on the knee (it takes 18 months), Mailata appears to have learned the game, and the 1st round pick Dillard looks great. I only saw one mistake from him so far, and that was missing a blitz early last week against Jax. Carson should be lighting up the board this year. Can't wait for the regular season. The O should be able to overcome any issues with the D, and the D ain't bad. Maybe make a pitch for Clowney with one of the spare o-linemen and maybe a 3rd rd pick. Not sure if HOU is that desperate though, but you have to start somewhere. HOU wants something for him before he walks next year.

[Chizzang]

First team offensive players looked fine. Kessler had his last chance last night and he looked terrible, so he'll be off the roster soon. Haven't really played the starters on defense yet but the second team looks good. Team looks real good to me, stay healthy and winning another Super Bowl is very realistic. Long way to there from here, but so far so good.

The O-line is ridiculously good. Vaitai is vastly improved, Peters is now 100% on the knee (it takes 18 months), Mailata appears to have learned the game, and the 1st round pick Dillard looks great. I only saw one mistake from him so far, and that was missing a blitz early last week against Jax. Carson should be lighting up the board this year. Can't wait for the regular season. The O should be able to overcome any issues with the D, and the D ain't bad. Maybe make a pitch for Clowney with one of the spare o-linemen and maybe a 3rd rd pick. Not sure if HOU is that desperate though, but you have to start somewhere. HOU wants something for him before he walks next year.

As of August 3rd the Texans had $40 Mil in cap space
and JJ Watt is looking older by the hour
Only 4 teams in the NFL right now have the cap space for Clown-Show
and he's presently on one of them...

Clown goes to the Colts if the trade gets serious
They've got the cash and the picks and are dumb enough to over pay for a guy like that

[93henfan]

The O-line is ridiculously good. Vaitai is vastly improved, Peters is now 100% on the knee (it takes 18 months), Mailata appears to have learned the game, and the 1st round pick Dillard looks great. I only saw one mistake from him so far, and that was missing a blitz early last week against Jax. Carson should be lighting up the board this year. Can't wait for the regular season. The O should be able to overcome any issues with the D, and the D ain't bad. Maybe make a pitch for Clowney with one of the spare o-linemen and maybe a 3rd rd pick. Not sure if HOU is that desperate though, but you have to start somewhere. HOU wants something for him before he walks next year.

As of August 3rd the Texans had $40 Mil in cap space
and JJ Watt is looking older by the hour
Only 4 teams in the NFL right now have the cap space for Clown-Show
and he's presently on one of them...

Clown goes to the Colts if the trade gets serious
They've got the cash and the picks and are dumb enough to over pay for a guy like that

A one-year rental isn't overpaying. That's all the Eagles would be looking for. Of course, the same situation with Golden Taint really didn't produce much, so Howie may pass.

[Chizzang]

As of August 3rd the Texans had $40 Mil in cap space
and JJ Watt is looking older by the hour
Only 4 teams in the NFL right now have the cap space for Clown-Show
and he's presently on one of them...

Clown goes to the Colts if the trade gets serious
They've got the cash and the picks and are dumb enough to over pay for a guy like that

A one-year rental isn't overpaying. That's all the Eagles would be looking for. Of course, the same situation with Golden Taint really didn't produce much, so Howie may pass.

I have no doubt that Howie could pants the Texans... who presently have no GM
and Bill O'Brien is the guy that broke the bank for Brock Osweiler
(a free agent who's played on 6 teams in 4 years)

so in a chess match between Howie Roseman and Bill O'Brien
Well...That's like the shortest game of Chess in U.S. History



Osweiler's got Joe Flacco disease... (or Albert Haynesworth disease)
He made 36 million just for showing up to camp after that big signing
Now he doesn't like getting hit or trying too hard
and it's well documented how Flacco disappeared after he got paid...(also see: Haynesworth)

[93henfan]

Two quick points:

1. Anyone wondering why the Eagles aren't playing Wentz all preseason, see Cam Newton's mid-foot sprain last night.

2. What the fuck is Cam Newton wearing? Is he a switch-hitter?

[Chizzang]

Two quick points:

1. Anyone wondering why the Eagles aren't playing Wentz all preseason, see Cam Newton's mid-foot sprain last night.

2. What the fuck is Cam Newton wearing? Is he a switch-hitter?

They drafted a pretty darn good QB this past draft..!!
and they are NOT super bowl bound - playing Grier is probably a good thing

[css75]

Last night may have been the death knell for 4 pre season games. Games on 80 yard field, ending early and a QB injury show how big of a joke it is.

Go to 2 preseason games, add 2 playoff wildcard games and 17 regular season games with 17 th being on neutral field. Also have 2 bye weeks, problem solved.


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[Vidav]

Andrew Luck to retire.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/274 ... ource-says

Edit because I didn't notice it was posted.

https://championshipsubdivision.com/for ... =6&t=50761

[93henfan]

Last night may have been the death knell for 4 pre season games. Games on 80 yard field, ending early and a QB injury show how big of a joke it is.

Go to 2 preseason games, add 2 playoff wildcard games and 17 regular season games with 17 th being on neutral field. Also have 2 bye weeks, problem solved.


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I have no problem with preseason games if the owners agree to charge $15 for tickets and $5 for parking, because that's about right for the caliber of entertainment a preseason game provides.

That's really my only issue with the preseason: forcing season ticket holders to pay for shit.

Won't adapt my pricing plan? Then you have to make those two home games count. Problem solved.

[Chizzang]

Preseason is important for teams that actually know how to build roster depth...
Teams that wildly over pay for players and that have no depth and no development system

sure enough - they don't like preseason or even know how to use preseason

[93henfan]

Preseason is important for teams that actually know how to build roster depth...
Teams that wildly over pay for players and that have no depth and no development system

sure enough - they don't like preseason or even know how to use preseason

That's all well and good but completely avoids the economic point. Some fool who paid $110 for a preseason ticket to Ravens @ Eagles for week 3 probably wanted to see about a quarter of Carson Wentz and a quarter of Lamar Jackson, but no team except the Carolina Panthers (and a couple more who are stupid) are playing their starting QB at all. It's asinine to charge full price for an exhibition where the biggest star isn't exhibited. I don't blame the teams for sitting their franchise arm the entire preseason, but don't require people to purchase those two farcical games.

The unwritten formula used to be:

Preseason gm 1: Play starting QB one or two series.
Gm 2: a quarter
Gm 3: a half
Gm 4: rest or one series

Now it's:
Starting QB sees first action in regular season

[Chizzang]

Preseason is important for teams that actually know how to build roster depth...
Teams that wildly over pay for players and that have no depth and no development system

sure enough - they don't like preseason or even know how to use preseason

That's all well and good but completely avoids the economic point. Some fool who paid $110 for a preseason ticket to Ravens @ Eagles for week 3 probably wanted to see about a quarter of Carson Wentz and a quarter of Lamar Jackson, but no team except the Carolina Panthers (and a couple more who are stupid) are playing their starting QB at all. It's asinine to charge full price for an exhibition where the biggest star isn't exhibited. I don't blame the teams for sitting their franchise arm the entire preseason, but don't require people to purchase those two farcical games.

The unwritten formula used to be:

Preseason gm 1: Play starting QB one or two series.
Gm 2: a quarter
Gm 3: a half
Gm 4: rest or one series

Now it's:
Starting QB sees first action in regular season

Not necessarily
Patrick Mahomes has taken over 60 snaps with the 1st team this preseason
Just depends on the organization

The teams with china dolls at QB are smart to sit their key guys
there are no promises made to fans dumb enough to pay actual money for preseason tickets

But teams that know how to develop depth need 4 preseason games
this idea that teams don;t need 4 games not accurate

[93henfan]

That's all well and good but completely avoids the economic point. Some fool who paid $110 for a preseason ticket to Ravens @ Eagles for week 3 probably wanted to see about a quarter of Carson Wentz and a quarter of Lamar Jackson, but no team except the Carolina Panthers (and a couple more who are stupid) are playing their starting QB at all. It's asinine to charge full price for an exhibition where the biggest star isn't exhibited. I don't blame the teams for sitting their franchise arm the entire preseason, but don't require people to purchase those two farcical games.

The unwritten formula used to be:

Preseason gm 1: Play starting QB one or two series.
Gm 2: a quarter
Gm 3: a half
Gm 4: rest or one series

Now it's:
Starting QB sees first action in regular season

Not necessarily
Patrick Mahomes has taken over 60 snaps with the 1st team this preseason
Just depends on the organization

The teams with china dolls at QB are smart to sit their key guys
there are no promises made to fans dumb enough to pay actual money for preseason tickets

But teams that know how to develop depth need 4 preseason games
this idea that teams don;t need 4 games not accurate

The Ravens and Eagles, for the past two seasons, have developed a model the league could follow for each week of the preseason. The visitor flies (or trains) to the home team's practice facility about five days before the game. They scrimmage three days with QBs in red shirts and no tackling to the ground. Then they play on day 5.

Both squads remarked how valuable it is to see the other team all week, and the game itself was sort of just a final exam on that team. China doll QBs see starting talent from another team without leaving in a boot like Cam Newton.

[GannonFan]

That's all well and good but completely avoids the economic point. Some fool who paid $110 for a preseason ticket to Ravens @ Eagles for week 3 probably wanted to see about a quarter of Carson Wentz and a quarter of Lamar Jackson, but no team except the Carolina Panthers (and a couple more who are stupid) are playing their starting QB at all. It's asinine to charge full price for an exhibition where the biggest star isn't exhibited. I don't blame the teams for sitting their franchise arm the entire preseason, but don't require people to purchase those two farcical games.

The unwritten formula used to be:

Preseason gm 1: Play starting QB one or two series.
Gm 2: a quarter
Gm 3: a half
Gm 4: rest or one series

Now it's:
Starting QB sees first action in regular season

Not necessarily
Patrick Mahomes has taken over 60 snaps with the 1st team this preseason
Just depends on the organization

The teams with china dolls at QB are smart to sit their key guys
there are no promises made to fans dumb enough to pay actual money for preseason tickets

But teams that know how to develop depth need 4 preseason games
this idea that teams don;t need 4 games not accurate

You do realize that season ticket holders must also buy preseason games at full price? I guess you could call them dumb but that's the price to pay to get season tickets.

And really, you're doing some crazy mental gymnastics here just to carry your point that some QB's have had injury histories and some haven't. Not sure why you have to hide that point while wrapping yourself around the false narrative that 4 preseason games are vital.

[Chizzang]

Not necessarily
Patrick Mahomes has taken over 60 snaps with the 1st team this preseason
Just depends on the organization

The teams with china dolls at QB are smart to sit their key guys
there are no promises made to fans dumb enough to pay actual money for preseason tickets

But teams that know how to develop depth need 4 preseason games
this idea that teams don;t need 4 games not accurate

You do realize that season ticket holders must also buy preseason games at full price? I guess you could call them dumb but that's the price to pay to get season tickets.

And really, you're doing some crazy mental gymnastics here just to carry your point that some QB's have had injury histories and some haven't. Not sure why you have to hide that point while wrapping yourself around the false narrative that 4 preseason games are vital.

Crazy mental gymnastics..?



young player development is worth 2 preseason games for sure
the rest of it can be debated...

the new coaches running new systems and evaluating their team
want the games - it's going to be a hard decision - there's just enough support for it to make it tricky

And most teams have lowered the ticket prices on preseason games

[GannonFan]

You do realize that season ticket holders must also buy preseason games at full price? I guess you could call them dumb but that's the price to pay to get season tickets.

And really, you're doing some crazy mental gymnastics here just to carry your point that some QB's have had injury histories and some haven't. Not sure why you have to hide that point while wrapping yourself around the false narrative that 4 preseason games are vital.

Crazy mental gymnastics..?



young player development is worth 2 preseason games for sure
the rest of it can be debated...

the new coaches running new systems and evaluating their team
want the games - it's going to be a hard decision - there's just enough support for it to make it tricky

And most teams have lowered the ticket prices on preseason games

There's a big difference between 2 and 4 preseason games, with you just a few posts ago advocating the latter (and now you seem to be swinging back to the lower number).

[Chizzang]

Crazy mental gymnastics..?



young player development is worth 2 preseason games for sure
the rest of it can be debated...

the new coaches running new systems and evaluating their team
want the games - it's going to be a hard decision - there's just enough support for it to make it tricky

And most teams have lowered the ticket prices on preseason games

There's a big difference between 2 and 4 preseason games, with you just a few posts ago advocating the latter (and now you seem to be swinging back to the lower number).

There's enough support for 4 games that it'll be hard to reduce the number of games
there's an argument for 2 but it gets shot down by teams with new staffs and new systems

That's the trick

if teams keep shuffling coaches like they do
the 4 game preseason will stick around
and the real player development teams are always for it

I concede it's a worthy debate

[GannonFan]

There's a big difference between 2 and 4 preseason games, with you just a few posts ago advocating the latter (and now you seem to be swinging back to the lower number).

There's enough support for 4 games that it'll be hard to reduce the number of games
there's an argument for 2 but it gets shot down by teams with new staffs and new systems

That's the trick

if teams keep shuffling coaches like they do
the 4 game preseason will stick around
and the real player development teams are always for it

I concede it's a worthy debate

That's bunk and again you know it. Players development is far more than 2 exhibition games. They've had OTA's and training camps since the draft, so we're talking months. There's nothing sacrosanct about two additional exhibition games and there's no divide of non-player development teams and player development ones. Everyone's for player development, and successful teams are on both sides of the debate.

[Chizzang]

There's enough support for 4 games that it'll be hard to reduce the number of games
there's an argument for 2 but it gets shot down by teams with new staffs and new systems

That's the trick

if teams keep shuffling coaches like they do
the 4 game preseason will stick around
and the real player development teams are always for it

I concede it's a worthy debate

That's bunk and again you know it. Players development is far more than 2 exhibition games. They've had OTA's and training camps since the draft, so we're talking months. There's nothing sacrosanct about two additional exhibition games and there's no divide of non-player development teams and player development ones. Everyone's for player development, and successful teams are on both sides of the debate.

You seem pretty serious about this
The two best teams in the AFC and the two best teams in the NFC last year want 4 preseason games

Saints / Rams / Chiefs / Patriots
all think 4 games are appropriate

Jarrod Goff Drew Brees Patrick mahomes and Tom Brady all played in week three

I'm willing to listen to the idea that my data points are all coincidental
but they are at the very least note worthy