Pitt to be the 12th B10 team

[dbackjon]

Why does everyone always bring Texas up? Do they want out of the B12 that bad?

Yes.

[clenz]

Why does everyone always bring Texas up? Do they want out of the B12 that bad?

Yes.

Did not realize that...what is the logic behind that?

[collegesportsinfo]

It's sad to see so much discussion on the message boards about a rumor that originated on a BleacherReport article with no fact checking. Even worse were some "journalists" that consider BleacherReport to be a "reliable" source. It's just sad.

FSA, you're right-on. Those 3 schools or Notre Dame make the most sense for all the financial/market reasons.

ND will never leave what they have with their contract with NBC and the BCS

Probably. Despite the fact that Northwestern and Indiana actually make more money than Notre Dame each year (B10 schools made $20 million each). Few realize that ND is 3rd in the state of Indiana in TV revenue behind Purdue and Indiana.

[clenz]

ND will never leave what they have with their contract with NBC and the BCS

Probably. Despite the fact that Northwestern and Indiana actually make more money than Notre Dame each year (B10 schools made $20 million each). Few realize that ND is 3rd in the state of Indiana in TV revenue behind Purdue and Indiana.

Understood, but they will never leave that NBC contract and what it means in terms of BCS being where they are.

[collegesportsinfo]

Yes.

Did not realize that...what is the logic behind that?

It's actually not entirely correct.

Few forget the fact that Texas turned down the SEC. And their reasons were primarily due to the poorer academics of the SEC.

The only issues with Texas would be that the B12 has a smaller TV contract than the SEC and big 12. But the B12 revenue distribution favors schools like Texas. So Texas actually makes more money than the other B12 schools and more on pace with the SEC and B10 schools.

Texas hasn't seemed to indicate that they would be interested in the SEC or Big Ten. They also turned down the Pac-10 in the early 90's when that league approached them and Colorado.

I think the only way you see Texas leave the Big 12 is if there is a huge deal by the SEC that makes it worth bypassing the academic issues they have. And of course a scenario where a conference expands to 14-16 and makes room for other regional schools to join as well (like Texas with Tex A&M, Nebraska, Oklahoma, etc).

[collegesportsinfo]

Probably. Despite the fact that Northwestern and Indiana actually make more money than Notre Dame each year (B10 schools made $20 million each). Few realize that ND is 3rd in the state of Indiana in TV revenue behind Purdue and Indiana.

Understood, but they will never leave that NBC contract and what it means in terms of BCS being where they are.

Right, which is why Notre Dames refusal to join the Big Ten is so odd. They are turning down more money from TV. And their BCS cut is not very large either. Originally, when Notre Dame made the bCS, they got a full share. Now it's much smaller. They do get $1.3 from the total pot. But when they make the BCS, they don't get to walk away with the $18-$20 that a conference team gets.

[Seahawks]

I think Rutgers is a much better fit for the Big Ten. Large, Federal land grant university in the mold of most Big Ten members. And the NYC TV market.

Upstream Red Team!

[BlueHen86]

Unless those 3 add more revenue to the pie than there share

Think what adding say Rutgers, Notre Dame and Texas would do to the Big Ten Network. Even subbing Missouri for ND.

I agree in that I'm sure that they would expand to 14 teams if it made sense financially. But it would suprise me if that were the case.

[DKHardee]

Richmond or App State should join the Big East

[DJH]

Why does everyone always bring Texas up? Do they want out of the B12 that bad?

Yes.

Uh, where did you get that idea? Texas has it made in the B12, and isn't going anywhere.

They are only mentioned because the B10 wants them, and they probably started the rumor. But they have no reason to leave the B12, where they are king.

[dbackjon]

Money. Texas can make more money. Plus access to Big 10 academic research.

[SuperHornet]

I think Rutgers is a much better fit for the Big Ten. Large, Federal land grant university in the mold of most Big Ten members. And the NYC TV market.

Upstream Red Team!

That's almost as bad as NJIT in the Great West. They MIGHT fit the academic mold of the Big Ten (Ahem, Eleven), though there's certainly to be some argument about that. Athletically? They'd be crushed in every sport. There may have been a recent resurgence of Rutgers football, but that seems to have run its course.

Rutgers in the Big Ten? That's a laugh riot.

[clenz]

You really don't realize this isn't really all about sports do you?

[DJH]

Money. Texas can make more money. Plus access to Big 10 academic research.

More money? I think texas is one of, if not the, most profitable athletic departments in the nation, and they take home the lions share of the cash in the B12.

The texas to B10 rumor is completely unsubstantiated.

[dbackjon]

Big 10 pays each member more than the big 12, even with the Texas tilt of the Big 12 formula.

[Franks Tanks]

I think Rutgers is a much better fit for the Big Ten. Large, Federal land grant university in the mold of most Big Ten members. And the NYC TV market.

Upstream Red Team!

That's almost as bad as NJIT in the Great West. They MIGHT fit the academic mold of the Big Ten (Ahem, Eleven), though there's certainly to be some argument about that. Athletically? They'd be crushed in every sport. There may have been a recent resurgence of Rutgers football, but that seems to have run its course.

Rutgers in the Big Ten? That's a laugh riot.

Why exactly would Rutgers do poorly in the Big 10????

Rutgers Mens basketball isnt great, but no worse than Penn State. Rutgers womens basketball is very good.

They would compete just fine in soccer, LaCrosse, baseball etc.

Rutgers footbal will only get better, and they would be competitive in the Big 10-- exactly what is the big deal.

[collegesportsinfo]

Richmond or App State should join the Big East

Richmond? They are so far behind other FCS schools in FBS preparedness.

[collegesportsinfo]

I think Rutgers is a much better fit for the Big Ten. Large, Federal land grant university in the mold of most Big Ten members. And the NYC TV market.

Upstream Red Team!

That's almost as bad as NJIT in the Great West. They MIGHT fit the academic mold of the Big Ten (Ahem, Eleven), though there's certainly to be some argument about that. Athletically? They'd be crushed in every sport. There may have been a recent resurgence of Rutgers football, but that seems to have run its course.

Rutgers in the Big Ten? That's a laugh riot.

Rutgers is in fact considered to be the top candidate from the Big East to join the Big Ten. Yes, over Syracuse and Pitt. The Big Ten schools don't make over $20m per season each because they are all good. It's because of the business they run and expansion is a business decision with Rutgers considered the top logical choice after Notre Dame (Texas isn't all that logical when you factor in the public comments by the Big Ten admins about not stretching the footprint beyond control). Sure, the Big Ten might go the easy route with a Missouri or even a Pitt, but Rutgers has been the preference by Big Ten people other than Paterno. I'm surprised that you consider it a laugh riot as Rutgers has been often mentioned for the past decade, even before they turned the football program around and TV markets became such an important variable in the college sports business.

[Fresno St. Alum]

she thinks she needs to say the opposite of the norm to be heard. Its old and just makes her look like she doesn't know whats going on. You can make more friends and get more respect if you're nice like Catmom.

This is the Big 10 list Syracuse, Rutgers, Missouri
ND said no
Texas, Florida, Pitt, is all bullshit. 0% chance of any of them.

Quinn I like Syracuse better than Rutgers overall maybe that's just me hoping. As a school and in bball they are better and probably will bring in as many viewers as Rutgers. Cuse football sucks now.

[DKHardee]

Richmond or App State should join the Big East

Richmond? They are so far behind other FCS schools in FBS preparedness.

Well how about JMU and App State?

[collegesportsinfo]

Richmond? They are so far behind other FCS schools in FBS preparedness.

Well how about JMU and App State?

You can throw out names of schools like JMU and App St. who would make fine FBS programs over time. But the Big East is not an option for an FCS upgrade. There is only one case where that might work and that would be Villanova. The Big East would not fund their upgrade, but would provide them with a Big East spot if they did upgrade. This is because the football conference members would want to retain Villanova basketball (and the Philly market) if there ever were a split...and not at the expense of adding Temple for football again.

As to why the Big East wouldn't take an FCS call-up? Just look at the other members out there. The Big East has not made moves to add UCF or ECU, two existing FBS football programs that enjoy tremendous support and have excellent facilities (when compared to any FCS schools). UCF also offers the Orlando market and hasn't made the Big East cut. You also have Memphis which is the obvious target because of their basketball success and market.

See the trend: BCS conferences want markets if they are expanding, or programs that will increase their revenue. Any FCS upgrades in the region like App St, Charlotte, JMU, Georgia St and others would have the Sunbelt was their only real option...perhaps CUSA if a spot opened up.

It's a pecking order:
BCS top 5 take from Big East or MWC
Big East takes from CUSA, MWC from WAC/CUSA
CUSA takes from WAC/Sunbelt
WAC takes from Sunbelt (West) MAYBE, Sunbelt takes from FCS upgrades[flash=][/flash]