Glenn Beck's Righteous Crusade

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Hey native?

Did you happen to catch the game last night?

[native]

Hey native?

Did you happen to catch the game last night?

Nope, did not see the game, but it appears to have been one of the best of all time.

CONGRATS to the Grizz! Good luck at the Big Dance.

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

I didnt watch it either, just the last 1:30.

Weber is a better team.

[Skjellyfetti]

"Social justice" is one of the biggest oxymorons of all time, along with "liberation theology."

Do you know what an oxymoron is?

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Intelligent liberal

[Baldy]

Intelligent liberal

Nice.

[danefan]

Glenn Beck

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Nothing more than a radio DJ that knows how to push buttons and entertain a certain group of people. Same with Rush and Hannity......and Olberman and all the others.

[soul man]

http://blog.sojo.net/2010/03/11/two-wor ... he-church/

Here's a response to Beck's call to run from churches that advocate social justice

As for me, I advocate that the church should always work for and with the poor and victimized. Guess I cannot be a conservative either, Mr. Beck? That's ok. I will dance with the One who brought me this far.

"Social justice" is one of the biggest oxymorons of all time, along with "liberation theology."

right along with the "grace of God"

[kalm]

Negative. You still hear the term Conservative Democrat. When's the last time you heard the term "liberal republican?"

Olympia Snowe, Susan Collins, even Judd Gregg.

Name those "conservative" Dems for me? Evan Bayh, the best of them, is neither conservative nor libertarian, but a somewhat fiscally conservative progressive Democrat. The two or three conservative House Dems are "retiring" this year.

Beck, though sometimes hysterical, is correct in most of his analyses. Salon and Olbermann are way out there.

Glenn Beck makes Rush look correct.

[native]

"Social justice" is one of the biggest oxymorons of all time, along with "liberation theology."

Do you know what an oxymoron is?

Depending on what the writer intended and what the reader believes to be true about the phrase in question, the terms "social justice" and "liberation theology" may be properly considered "paradoxial" oxyomorons, a device often used by Shakespeare, or in more modern usage, "contradictory oxymorons," used for rhetorical effect, for example when George Carlin used the term "military intelligence" in his routines.

What the hell kind of grad student are you, skelly?!???

[native]

Olympia Snowe, Susan Collins, even Judd Gregg.

Name those "conservative" Dems for me? Evan Bayh, the best of them, is neither conservative nor libertarian, but a somewhat fiscally conservative progressive Democrat. The two or three conservative House Dems are "retiring" this year.

Beck, though sometimes hysterical, is correct in most of his analyses. Salon and Olbermann are way out there.

Glenn Beck makes Rush look correct.

You are right, kalm. Both Limbaugh and Beck are often correct in their analyses and assessments.

[CID1990]

I wonder how much exposure Beck gets because of all the left-leaning media outlets that rebroadcast or reprint his stuff?

I almost never watch him or listen to him, but now I know what he said thanks to Salon.

If you are conservative, maybe the way to get your message out is by frothing at the mouth and letting the liberals do the distribution for you.

[JohnStOnge]

I think the thing about the "progressive" attitude towards the Constitution is absolutely true. And I think it's obvious.

[JohnStOnge]

Beck is also right about the Federal Government owning too much land. Just pull out a map of the United States that shows how much it owns. Many road maps do that. It's too much; especailly in the West. And he's right about the idea that we should be drilling for oil, etc., on a lot of it.

[youngterrier]

the problem I have with Beck is that he has his heart in the right place but his rhetoric is too aggressive to people that have a different opinion than he does. He doesn't understand that the problem with Democracy is that it is contradictory and can ultimately destroy itself. I commend him for trying to stop it and we all need to try to stop it but he's being hard on the people and not on the issues. Essentially he tries to be an Edward Murrow but sounds more like McCarthy. Instead of telling me how bad the evil communists who want to use government to solve our problems, tell me WHY their solutions are bad (of course I know why, that's rhetorical).

and no way Beck's a libertarian, he favors the Patriot act and did favor the Bailouts at the time they were discussed.

[dbackjon]

Beck is also right about the Federal Government owning too much land. Just pull out a map of the United States that shows how much it owns. Many road maps do that. It's too much; especailly in the West. And he's right about the idea that we should be drilling for oil, etc., on a lot of it.

We are drilling on a lot of it. But there is plenty of it that we SHOULDN'T be drilling on - to damaging to the environment with current drilling technology.

In Arizona, there isn't a lot of private land. Non private land is divided among:

Indian Reservations - about a 25% of the state
National Parks - definately something the Government should retain - money maker for the Government and the state, something that no private group could successfully manage.
State Lands - held in trust for education, sold as market conditions allow, with all proceeds held in trust for education
BLM Lands - generally range lands, leased (at below cost) to ranchers, miners, etc. Most of the land is in areas with little or no water.
Military lands - huge tracts are controlled by the DOD - Army Bases, Bombing Ranges, etc.

[native]

They have their own term, it's called, Neo-Conservative.

What is liberal about neoconservatism?

(keep in mind that neoconservatism is defined by FOREIGN policy.)

If you know nothing of history, then there is nothing liberal about neocons.

What the hell are you supposed to know something about? The definition of neocon includes support for liberalism.

[native]

the problem I have with Beck is that he has his heart in the right place but his rhetoric is too aggressive to people that have a different opinion than he does. He doesn't understand that the problem with Democracy is that it is contradictory and can ultimately destroy itself. I commend him for trying to stop it and we all need to try to stop it but he's being hard on the people and not on the issues. Essentially he tries to be an Edward Murrow but sounds more like McCarthy. Instead of telling me how bad the evil communists who want to use government to solve our problems, tell me WHY their solutions are bad (of course I know why, that's rhetorical).

and no way Beck's a libertarian, he favors the Patriot act and did favor the Bailouts at the time they were discussed.

I agree Beck gets hysterical, and I concede that he is an entertainer first.

Like him or hate him, Beck brings more policy wonks and fat brains onto his show as guests than any other popular host. Massa was the exception proving the rule.

Beck has made clear that he understands democracy can destroy itself, YT. It's an essential part of his argument for middle class vigilance. He has also gone to great lengths to show why communist solutions are bad for humans and freedom.

Perhaps you meant to say "progressive," not "communist." What Beck has not done to progressives' satisfaction is demonstrate the causal links between their policies and the demonstrable ill effects of both communism and other forms of authoritarianism.

...or maybe he HAS shown the causal link, since most, including the majority on this board, attack him on personality, not substance.

[Skjellyfetti]

What the hell are you supposed to know something about? The definition of neocon includes support for liberalism.

Neoconservatism includes support for liberalism?

Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz, Donald Rumsfeld, and other guys that have served in every Republican administration of the last 20 years supported liberalism?

[youngterrier]

the problem I have with Beck is that he has his heart in the right place but his rhetoric is too aggressive to people that have a different opinion than he does. He doesn't understand that the problem with Democracy is that it is contradictory and can ultimately destroy itself. I commend him for trying to stop it and we all need to try to stop it but he's being hard on the people and not on the issues. Essentially he tries to be an Edward Murrow but sounds more like McCarthy. Instead of telling me how bad the evil communists who want to use government to solve our problems, tell me WHY their solutions are bad (of course I know why, that's rhetorical).

and no way Beck's a libertarian, he favors the Patriot act and did favor the Bailouts at the time they were discussed.

I agree Beck gets hysterical, and I concede that he is an entertainer first.

Like him or hate him, Beck brings more policy wonks and fat brains onto his show as guests than any other popular host. Massa was the exception proving the rule.

Beck has made clear that he understands democracy can destroy itself, YT. It's an essential part of his argument for middle class vigilance. He has also gone to great lengths to show why communist solutions are bad for humans and freedom.

Perhaps you meant to say "progressive," not "communist." What Beck has not done to progressives' satisfaction is demonstrate the causal links between their policies and the demonstrable ill effects of both communism and other forms of authoritarianism.

...or maybe he HAS shown the causal link, since most, including the majority on this board, attack him on personality, not substance.

every time he attacks a progressive he basically alludes that they are a communist/socialist/fascist/etc. and radicalizes/morphs their beliefs to appear so evil that the focus turns to more on how evil they are not how bad the policy is (I was being rhetorical when alluding to communists before). Take when he showed a poster from Germany pre-WW2 about their socialized medicine and how he cried about it on air but said many times that he wasn't comparing liberals to Nazis when inadvertently he was, otherwise there was no need to mention it

I don't like him because he doesn't tell us why the policies are failures but rather why the people are evil. Seriously every time I listen to him he calls people socialist/communists/etc without giving much evidence. The clip shown by Soul Man is an example...I didn't watch that exact site's clip it but I saw the clip and he didn't explain WHY social justice is wrong but just said something like the Nazis/ communists wanted it

[native]

What the hell are you supposed to know something about? The definition of neocon includes support for liberalism.

Neoconservatism includes support for liberalism?

Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz, Donald Rumsfeld, and other guys that have served in every Republican administration of the last 20 years supported liberalism?

Hello? Hello? Anybody home in there?

At least a residual support for liberalism is part and parcel of neocon philosophy.

The Urban Dictionary suggests that if you take "...the worst aspects of the liberal and conservative positions and combine them into one and you would have a NeoCon...."

For example, conservatives, by definition, do not believe in nation building, a "liberal" concept. Neocons, by definition, do believe in nation building

The Sourcewatch discussion of "neocon" begins with the idea that the movement is "rooted in liberal Cold War anticommunism."

According to Rich Lowry, "...Neoconservatives are less skeptical of government than other conservatives. They are less worried about reducing the size of government, less enthusiastic about tax cuts, more concerned about forging national crusades that can tap either the American public's patriotism or its desire for reform..."

George Will writes that "...Neoconservatives are persons who in domestic policy often were former Democrats who felt that conservatives had erred in not accepting the post-New Deal role of the central government. They were in their early incarnation focusing on domestic policy and were distinguishing themselves from Goldwater conservatives. ...In foreign policy ... they have a more ambitious, more confident approach to the use of power than regular conservatives..."

The Wikipedia definition includes these gems: "...Neoconservatism is a political philosophy ... which supports using American economic and military power to bring liberalism, democracy, and human rights to other countries.... In economics, unlike traditionalist conservatives, neoconservatives are generally comfortable with a welfare state; and, while rhetorically supportive of free markets, they are willing to interfere for overriding social purposes...."

Can you grasp the trend, skelly? Neocons are classical liberals who remain liberal at heart but reject the modern American leftward radicalization of classical liberalism.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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[Skjellyfetti]

I find it interesting in the past week you've been arguing that both the Nazi's and neoconservatives are liberals.

[Skjellyfetti]

Also, what about Reagan in Lebanon. Is Reagan a liberal? His administration was full of neocons. He engaged in nation building. REAGAN WAS A PINKO COMMUNIST!!

[youngterrier]

I find it interesting in the past week you've been arguing that both the Nazi's and neoconservatives are liberals.

excerpt from Mein Kampf:

"The National Socialist doctrine is not the servant of individual federated states, but shall some day become the master of the German Nation"

[native]

I didnt watch it either, just the last 1:30.

Weber is a better team.

Not last night.