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Oh, boo-fucking-hoo. Stop sneaking into our country and this shit wouldn't happen.
Pretty fucking weak AZ. If he was part of a group engaging in the attack then I can justify it but I can't justify killing him for trying to come here illegally.


If your kid is doing something illegal and is shot in the process then I suppose you wouldn't grieve his loss?
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Grizalltheway wrote:Wow, great justification, guys. Hopefully a cop decides to waste your sorry asses next time you speed or run a red light. :ohno: :ohno:
By speeding or running a red light I am not committing a felony by assaulting a Federal law enforcement official. :geek:
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Grizalltheway wrote:Wow, great justification, guys. Hopefully a cop decides to waste your sorry asses next time you speed or run a red light. :ohno: :ohno:
By speeding or running a red light I am not committing a felony by assaulting a Federal law enforcement official. :geek:
I'm not defending the illegals' actions, I just don't see how you can justify using deadly force on a KID who's throwing rocks. Hell, I never would have gotten involved in so many neighborhood rock fights as a little kid if I had known I could've been shot for it. :roll:
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Grizalltheway wrote:
Baldy wrote: By speeding or running a red light I am not committing a felony by assaulting a Federal law enforcement official. :geek:
I'm not defending the illegals' actions, I just don't see how you can justify using deadly force on a KID who's throwing rocks. Hell, I never would have gotten involved in so many neighborhood rock fights as a little kid if I had known I could've been shot for it. :roll:
Hey we were all involved in dangerous, stupid shit including rock fights. Did you ever even think of throwing a rock at a guy with a gun while you were committing a crime? That's as weak as AZ's statement.

What's the first thing your mom and dad would do to you if they found out you were in a rock fight? They'd tell ya that you could kill somebody or wind up dead doing it. They weren't lying.

If you are gonna take someone's fucking life into your hands then you god damn well better be willing to give up your own.

We don't know if this kid was chucking rocks at officers but he was apparently in a group that was doing so. Sucks that the kid got shot but I wouldn't have a bit of a problem opening fire if a group was throwing rocks at me.

The moral of the story is that you better lay down your weapons if you're caught in an illegal act.
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Grizalltheway wrote:Wow, great justification, guys. Hopefully a cop decides to waste your sorry asses next time you speed or run a red light. :ohno: :ohno:
So throwing rocks at cops is the same as a speeding ticket or running a red light. Gotcha :roll:
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Oh, boo-fucking-hoo. Stop sneaking into our country and this shit wouldn't happen.
Pretty fucking weak AZ. If he was part of a group engaging in the attack then I can justify it but I can't justify killing him for trying to come here illegally.

If your kid is doing something illegal and is shot in the process then I suppose you wouldn't grieve his loss?
If my kid is doing something ILLEGAL and is shot in the process, I would grieve his loss but it wouldn't change the fact that he was DOING SOMETHING ILLEGAL when he got shot. It's real simple, fellas: Don't put yourself INTO these situations and shit like this doesn't happen at NEARLY this pace. Otherwise, I've got very little sympathy for you. :coffee: :coffee:
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catamount man wrote:what REALLY happened is a bunch of law breakers started throwing rocks at a federal official who feared for his life and decided to defend himself but the baby killers will never bring this to light. face facts, if you're white, Christian and conservative in America these days, you have no opinion and you certainly have no rights and what rights you do have will be taken away over time. I am so glad I am not a dad and would have to raise my kids in a land dominated by God hating, white people hating liberals who want nothing more than to kill white people and take innocent babies from their mothers wombs and butcher them in front of God and everybody. I loathe America and cannot wait until I can leave this place. the oil spills, the economic hardships, the plagues, the deaths...........THIS IS WHAT YOU GET AMERICA FOR DENYING YOUR CREATOR AND I LAUGH AND SPIT AT YOU!!!!!!!!!!! IN HELL MAY YOU ROT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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AZGrizFan wrote:
Ursus A. Horribilis wrote: Pretty fucking weak AZ. If he was part of a group engaging in the attack then I can justify it but I can't justify killing him for trying to come here illegally.

If your kid is doing something illegal and is shot in the process then I suppose you wouldn't grieve his loss?
If my kid is doing something ILLEGAL and is shot in the process, I would grieve his loss but it wouldn't change the fact that he was DOING SOMETHING ILLEGAL when he got shot. It's real simple, fellas: Don't put yourself INTO these situations and shit like this doesn't happen at NEARLY this pace. Otherwise, I've got very little sympathy for you. :coffee: :coffee:
My point was simple. I agree with the not doing the illegal part if you don't expect trouble. The mocking those showing grief (the callous "boo-fucking-hoo" part) when it is exactly what anyone else would be doing is the part I shy away from.
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Ursus A. Horribilis wrote:
...If you are gonna take someone's **** life into your hands then you god damn well better be willing to give up your own.

We don't know if this kid was chucking rocks at officers but he was apparently in a group that was doing so. Sucks that the kid got shot but I wouldn't have a bit of a problem opening fire if a group was throwing rocks at me.

The moral of the story is that you better lay down your weapons if you're caught in an illegal act.
Was gonna slam your opposition to LE, Bro Bear, but your analysis and conclusion are QFT! :thumb:
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These Mexicans are fucking crazy. Loco. That's the only explanation....

Drug lords rule their country, and have committed somewhere on the order of 27,000 murders and they go ballistic when our border guards kill ONE of theirs. Perhaps we should request an international inquiry over the rancher that was shot multiply times ON HIS OWN LAND by a Mexican illegal?

Fuck 'em.

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A U.S. Border Patrol agent fatally shot a 15-year-old Mexican boy after a group trying to illegally enter Texas threw rocks at officers near downtown El Paso, U.S. authorities said Tuesday.

The shooting, which happened Monday evening beneath a railroad bridge linking the two nations, drew sharp criticism from Mexico, where the government said Tuesday that "the use of firearms to repel attacks with stones represents disproportionate use of force, particularly coming from authorities who have received specialized training."
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Ursus A. Horribilis wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:
If my kid is doing something ILLEGAL and is shot in the process, I would grieve his loss but it wouldn't change the fact that he was DOING SOMETHING ILLEGAL when he got shot. It's real simple, fellas: Don't put yourself INTO these situations and shit like this doesn't happen at NEARLY this pace. Otherwise, I've got very little sympathy for you. :coffee: :coffee:
My point was simple. I agree with the not doing the illegal part if you don't expect trouble. The mocking those showing grief (the callous "boo-fucking-hoo" part) when it is exactly what anyone else would be doing is the part I shy away from.
Gotcha. To each his own.... :D
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AZGrizFan wrote:These Mexicans are **** crazy. Loco. That's the only explanation....

Drug lords rule their country, and have committed somewhere on the order of 27,000 murders and they go ballistic when our border guards kill ONE of theirs. Perhaps we should request an international inquiry over the rancher that was shot multiply times ON HIS OWN LAND by a Mexican illegal?

**** 'em.
You don't think Mexico goes ballistic over the cartels and the deaths? Based on what? The fact that you haven't seen any outrage on Fox News?

Why do you think the deaths have spiked since Calderon came to office? He's instituted an ALL OUT WAR. But, you don't think they show enough outrage? :|
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Skjellyfetti wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:These Mexicans are **** crazy. Loco. That's the only explanation....

Drug lords rule their country, and have committed somewhere on the order of 27,000 murders and they go ballistic when our border guards kill ONE of theirs. Perhaps we should request an international inquiry over the rancher that was shot multiply times ON HIS OWN LAND by a Mexican illegal?

**** 'em.
You don't think Mexico goes ballistic over the cartels and the deaths? Based on what? The fact that you haven't seen any outrage on Fox News?

Why do you think the deaths have spiked since Calderon came to office? He's instituted an ALL OUT WAR. But, you don't think they show enough outrage? :|
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Ursus A. Horribilis wrote:
Grizalltheway wrote:
I'm not defending the illegals' actions, I just don't see how you can justify using deadly force on a KID who's throwing rocks. Hell, I never would have gotten involved in so many neighborhood rock fights as a little kid if I had known I could've been shot for it. :roll:
Hey we were all involved in dangerous, stupid shit including rock fights. Did you ever even think of throwing a rock at a guy with a gun while you were committing a crime? That's as weak as AZ's statement.

What's the first thing your mom and dad would do to you if they found out you were in a rock fight? They'd tell ya that you could kill somebody or wind up dead doing it. They weren't lying.

If you are gonna take someone's fucking life into your hands then you god damn well better be willing to give up your own.

We don't know if this kid was chucking rocks at officers but he was apparently in a group that was doing so. Sucks that the kid got shot but I wouldn't have a bit of a problem opening fire if a group was throwing rocks at me.

The moral of the story is that you better lay down your weapons if you're caught in an illegal act.
The kid was shot in the back of the head as he was running. Also video obtained by CNN contradicts what the agent said...

"This agent, who had the second subject detained on the ground, gave verbal commands to the remaining subjects to stop and retreat. However, the subjects surrounded the agent and continued to throw rocks at him. The agent then fired his service weapon several times, striking one subject who later died."

The agent wasnt surrounded by anyone.
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UNHWildCats wrote:
Ursus A. Horribilis wrote: Hey we were all involved in dangerous, stupid shit including rock fights. Did you ever even think of throwing a rock at a guy with a gun while you were committing a crime? That's as weak as AZ's statement.

What's the first thing your mom and dad would do to you if they found out you were in a rock fight? They'd tell ya that you could kill somebody or wind up dead doing it. They weren't lying.

If you are gonna take someone's fucking life into your hands then you god damn well better be willing to give up your own.

We don't know if this kid was chucking rocks at officers but he was apparently in a group that was doing so. Sucks that the kid got shot but I wouldn't have a bit of a problem opening fire if a group was throwing rocks at me.

The moral of the story is that you better lay down your weapons if you're caught in an illegal act.
The kid was shot in the back of the head as he was running. Also video obtained by CNN contradicts what the agent said...
"This agent, who had the second subject detained on the ground, gave verbal commands to the remaining subjects to stop and retreat. However, the subjects surrounded the agent and continued to throw rocks at him. The agent then fired his service weapon several times, striking one subject who later died."

The agent wasnt surrounded by anyone.
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UNHWildCats wrote:The kid was shot in the back of the head as he was running.
With a service revolver??? If so that's some mighty fine shootin'!!!
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UNHWildCats wrote:
Ursus A. Horribilis wrote: Hey we were all involved in dangerous, stupid shit including rock fights. Did you ever even think of throwing a rock at a guy with a gun while you were committing a crime? That's as weak as AZ's statement.

What's the first thing your mom and dad would do to you if they found out you were in a rock fight? They'd tell ya that you could kill somebody or wind up dead doing it. They weren't lying.

If you are gonna take someone's fucking life into your hands then you god damn well better be willing to give up your own.

We don't know if this kid was chucking rocks at officers but he was apparently in a group that was doing so. Sucks that the kid got shot but I wouldn't have a bit of a problem opening fire if a group was throwing rocks at me.

The moral of the story is that you better lay down your weapons if you're caught in an illegal act.
The kid was shot in the back of the head as he was running. Also video obtained by CNN contradicts what the agent said...

"This agent, who had the second subject detained on the ground, gave verbal commands to the remaining subjects to stop and retreat. However, the subjects surrounded the agent and continued to throw rocks at him. The agent then fired his service weapon several times, striking one subject who later died."

The agent wasnt surrounded by anyone.
Well if we have something confirming that then I will begin to form the opinion that this is a bad cop. Until then I'll continue to reserve judgment and stand firmly by what I have said so far. If you aren't involved in rock throwing at a federal agent then good for you, If you are, or a part of a group that is then you have put yourself in an untenable situation and you should expect that it ain't gonna work out good for you.
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Rob Iola wrote:
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The kid was shot in the back of the head as he was running. Also video obtained by CNN contradicts what the agent said...
"This agent, who had the second subject detained on the ground, gave verbal commands to the remaining subjects to stop and retreat. However, the subjects surrounded the agent and continued to throw rocks at him. The agent then fired his service weapon several times, striking one subject who later died."

The agent wasnt surrounded by anyone.
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fucking conks want everything handed to them. Turn on CNN if u wanna see the video
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Found it on youtube.

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Mexican Teen Killed on Border Was 'Known Juvenile Smuggler,' Sources Say

The 15-year-old Mexican boy who was shot dead by a Border Patrol agent as U.S. authorities came under attack along the border Tuesday was known to authorities as a juvenile smuggler

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HI54UNI wrote:Mexican Teen Killed on Border Was 'Known Juvenile Smuggler,' Sources Say

The 15-year-old Mexican boy who was shot dead by a Border Patrol agent as U.S. authorities came under attack along the border Tuesday was known to authorities as a juvenile smuggler

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/06/09/me ... urce-says/
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