Delaware's Championships

[jd of de]

UD's claim of 6 NC's is as valid as North Carolina claiming the 1924 NC in basketball....sure...great...can't dispute it, but not impressed...whatever makes you feel adequate...

Don't be diss'n 1924. If you grandad hadn't nailed his sister in 1924 you wudn't been born when you wuz.

[Skjellyfetti]

Oh, looky there. An Illinois fan claiming 5 national titles. How fitting for this thread.

[BlueHen86]

UD's claim of 6 NC's is as valid as North Carolina claiming the 1924 NC in basketball....sure...great...can't dispute it, but not impressed...whatever makes you feel adequate...

I agree. I don't tout 6 NC's, but I will argue if SomEone tryies to deny it as a fact.

The only titles that interest me are the ones that I was able to enjoy. At the moment there is only one of those.

[93henfan]

UD's claim of 6 NC's is as valid as North Carolina claiming the 1924 NC in basketball....sure...great...can't dispute it, but not impressed...whatever makes you feel adequate...

I agree. I don't tout 6 NC's, but I will argue if SomEone tryies to deny it as a fact.

The only titles that interest me are the ones that I was able to enjoy. At the moment there is only one of those.

I don't know of many people that tout our six championships. The only time I do is when the uneducated start piping off about it. How many times have we seen the cycle repeat itself? ESPN covers one of our games, rightly mentions our six championships, then some short-dick from a school with six or less championships gets their panties in a bunch and starts calling our championships all "D2" or "NAIA" or worse. Bottom line is, Delaware has been a torchbearer school at this level since before many of our parents were born. Our previous three coaches are all in the College Football Hall of Fame and the current one is going to the championship game for the third time in seven years with a chance to get his second ring. To deny that history is disrespectful.

[ChickenMan]

I seldom get into these pissing matches relative to who has the biggest dick.. but this is an area that is a little personal with me. UD's winning tradition started way back in the 40's with a team my dad played on that finished the '46 season with a 30 game unbeaten streak and ranked #19 in country in the AP poll.. not #19 in DII but #19 with the big boys like Notre Dame.. Michigan and Army. That winning tradition continued proudly over the next six decades. Sure there have other outstanding programs at this level.. YSU, GSU, Montana and ASU.. but those are ALL 'johnny come latelys' when compared to the Hen's 60+ years of excellence. Not to demean any of the previously mentioned schools.. as they have all had some great years.. however not one of them has the history or the tradition to match the 60+ years of excellence that has been University of Delaware football.

[SuperHornet]

Look. I don't much care for Delaware, but the school's contributions to the sport of football are undeniable. From the Wing-T Offense (which I dislike but must acknowledge has had repercussions on the sport at all levels) to HOF coaches to great players to introducing that great helmet insignia that was flat-out STOLEN by Michigan, Delaware is worthy of profound respect.

Like the Yankees, that doesn't mean we have to like them. But to ignore all of Delaware's contributions in smacking them is VERY disingenuous.

[JMU DJ]

Women's Wrestling or Mens?

Human centipede wrestling, 3 on 3.

Also, my boys took 2nd and 3rd in the 5th heat of their pack's pinewood derby.

I heard your 'B' piece was quite the shit kicker.

[∞∞∞]

to introducing that great helmet insignia that was flat-out STOLEN by Michigan, Delaware is worthy of profound respect.

I always thought Princeton introduced the design. And I think it's stupid when people call out schools for copying helmet designs...it's an effing helmet for god's sake.

[93henfan]

...that great helmet insignia that was flat-out STOLEN by Michigan...

Thanks for the kind words, but the design wasn't original to either school. It was devised by Fritz Crisler at Princeton and got to Delaware via Dave Nelson from Michigan.

[BlueHen86]

I agree. I don't tout 6 NC's, but I will argue if SomEone tryies to deny it as a fact.

The only titles that interest me are the ones that I was able to enjoy. At the moment there is only one of those.

I don't know of many people that tout our six championships. The only time I do is when the uneducated start piping off about it. How many times have we seen the cycle repeat itself? ESPN covers one of our games, rightly mentions our six championships, then some short-dick from a school with six or less championships gets their panties in a bunch and starts calling our championships all "D2" or "NAIA" or worse. Bottom line is, Delaware has been a torchbearer school at this level since before many of our parents were born. Our previous three coaches are all in the College Football Hall of Fame and the current one is going to the championship game for the third time in seven years with a chance to get his second ring. To deny that history is disrespectful.

Spot on.

[SuperHornet]

...that great helmet insignia that was flat-out STOLEN by Michigan...

Thanks for the kind words, but the design wasn't original to either school. It was devised by Fritz Crisler at Princeton and got to Delaware via Dave Nelson from Michigan.

Given that FBS sucks, it at least sounds better coming from Delaware.

[blukeys]

And how many titles of yours were shared? I know your 1963 title is also claimed by Northern Illinois... and they won two more games than y'all that year.

Delaware's last game was cancelled in 1963. Since you are an ASU fan I will remind you that on 11-22-63 President John F. Kennedy was assassinated. The 11-23-63 game was cancelled. Things like this happen outside of Boone.

The 1963 team beat 4 teams from the "University" Division including Rutgers, Temple, Connecticut, and Ohio.
For some reason UD and Bucknell were not concerned in November of 1963 how some goober in 2010 would assess the cancellation of a game due to the death of a president.

[UNHWildCats]

I think I know how to get the SoCon guys on board for this thread..

[UNHWildCats]

That undefeated Delaware team was the UPI national champion. It was not shared.

Northern Illinois was the AP national champion. It WAS shared.

shared championships happen. Doesn't make Delaware any less a National Champion.

Most recent incident to compare to... USC was screwed by the BCS rankings in 2003 and Oklahoma got into the title game. The AP had USC #1 while the Coaches poll had LSU (by contractual obligation) #1 after the bowl games... prior to the bowl games both polls had USC #1... Does that make LSU or USC any less a National Champion?

[DJH]

Northern Illinois was the AP national champion. It WAS shared.

shared championships happen. Doesn't make Delaware any less a National Champion.

Most recent incident to compare to... USC was screwed by the BCS rankings in 2003 and Oklahoma got into the title game. The AP had USC #1 while the Coaches poll had LSU (by contractual obligation) #1 after the bowl games... prior to the bowl games both polls had USC #1... Does that make LSU or USC any less a National Champion?

Yes. In at least that instance, it does. The FBS people agreed on the BCS system to determine their "national champion". And OU and LSU were #1 and #2 in their standings.

And fuck USC.

[andy7171]

This thread whomps!

[93henfan]

Towson whomps!

Keep your head up, Andy. It'll get better some day.

Plus, you still have lacrosse.

[JBS]

Northern Colorado must be more relevant than we thought!! They won a couple D-II championships too!!

[ChickenMan]

Northern Colorado must be more relevant than we thought!! They won a couple D-II championships too!!

N Colorado won two in the mid 90's.. when I-AA had already been in existence for nearly 20 yrs. UD won DII titles when there was no FCS/I-AA.. when there was only DI and DII.. if you can't see the difference.. well

[Skjellyfetti]

So do we count NDSU's 3 titles between 1965 and 1969 as equal to FCS/I-AA titles as well?

[89Hen]

N Colorado won two in the mid 90's.. when I-AA had already been in existence for nearly 20 yrs. UD won DII titles when there was no FCS/I-AA.. when there was only DI and DII.. if you can't see the difference.. well

1979 season had victories over URI, Lehigh, Villanova, W&M, Maine, YSU (2x) and Colgate. Looks like a bunch of familiar teams.

[89Hen]

So do we count NDSU's 3 titles between 1965 and 1969 as equal to FCS/I-AA titles as well?

Yup.

1958 Southern Mississippi
1959 Bowling Green
1960 Ohio
1961 Pittsburg State
1962 Southern Mississippi (UPI), Florida A&M (AP)
1963 Delaware (UPI), Northern Illinois (AP)
1964 Los Angeles State (UPI), Wittenberg (AP)
1965 North Dakota State
1966 San Diego State
1967 San Diego State
1968 San Diego State (UPI), North Dakota State (AP)
1969 North Dakota State
1970 Arkansas State
1971 Delaware
1972 Delaware
1973 Tennessee State
1974 Louisiana Tech (UPI), Central Michigan (AP)

[ChickenMan]

So do we count NDSU's 3 titles between 1965 and 1969 as equal to FCS/I-AA titles as well?

Absoulutely.. DII was the next level down from the big boys then.. just as FCS/I-AA is now.

[Skjellyfetti]

So, can we get an official year-by-year listing of every "next highest level below the top level" champion, please?

How about Lehigh's 1974 DII title? Montana State's 1976 DII title?


What about Delaware's 1979 title? That was a D-II title... the same year Eastern Kentucky won the I-AA title. How do y'all rationalize that counting the same as an FCS/I-AA title? Did we have 2 I-AA equivalent titles that year?

And if you count Delaware's 1979 title as an FCS/I-AA title... you surely have to count Eastern Illinois's 1978 D-II championship as an FCS/I-AA championship (even though Florida A&M actually won it). You'd also have to count Cal Poly's 1980 D-II title as a I-AA/FCS title (even though Boise State won the I-AA title). Right?

[Skjellyfetti]

I'm particularly interested in how y'all rationalize a 1979 D-II championship as a I-AA championship.