Dback Jon's Corporate Income Tax Reform Plan

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Rob Iola wrote:
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Can you give me examples of overbearing regulations?
Ever been to North Charleston? They could kinda use the investment...
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/01/busin ... ing&st=cse" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
NORTH CHARLESTON, S.C. — Boeing’s gigantic new $750 million airplane factory here is the pride of South Carolina, the biggest single investment ever made in a state that is far more associated with old-line textile mills than state-of-the-art manufacturing. In just a few weeks, 1,000 workers will begin assembling the first of what they hope will be hundreds of 787 Dreamliners.

That is, unless the federal government takes it all away.

In a case that has enraged South Carolinians and become a cause célèbre among Republican lawmakers and presidential hopefuls, the National Labor Relations Board has accused Boeing of illegally setting up shop in South Carolina because of past strikes by the unionized workers at its main manufacturing base in the Seattle area. The board is asking a judge to order Boeing to move the Dreamliner production — and the associated jobs — to Washington State.

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Good post! Boeing has been a great asset to the community and this bullshit case is one of many reasons why unions are ruining American businesses and pushing them into foreign countries
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Ibanez wrote:
Rob Iola wrote: Ever been to North Charleston? They could kinda use the investment...
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/01/busin ... ing&st=cse" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Good post! Boeing has been a great asset to the community and this bullshit case is one of many reasons why unions are ruining American businesses and pushing them into foreign countries

I'm not a big union guy, but really? They represent something like 10% of the private sector workforce. Was Boeing not a great asset for the Seattle community? Will you applaud when Boeing moves its operation out of SC? What will Boeing do when that next state or nation's workers get tired of working for less?

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kalm wrote:
Ibanez wrote:
Good post! Boeing has been a great asset to the community and this bullshit case is one of many reasons why unions are ruining American businesses and pushing them into foreign countries

I'm not a big union guy, but really? They represent something like 10% of the private sector workforce. Was Boeing not a great asset for the Seattle community? Will you applaud when Boeing moves its operation out of SC? What will Boeing do when that next state or nation's workers get tired of working for less?

Race to the bottom.
Your perception of union influence is WAY underestimated, Kalm.

I have extensive union background from both sides of the fence. About 30% of the unions don't play by queen's rules. They harass, theaten and outright attack non-union businesses EVERY FUCKING DAY. It's regional. You'll rarely if ever find a union go after non-union businesses in the midwest or south. On the WC, NE and Mid-Atlantic regions, union harassment of non-union biz is one of their primary missions.
I'm not talking about the benign protests...it's VERY comprehensive. Union pressure ranges from going to worker's residences and pressuring them not to work for a non-union company, to avalanche-filing labor/administrative complaints against non-union businesses, to carefully lobbying state/regional govts. to pass laws designed to block non-union access to contracts (often under the guise of establishing "professional" standards for workers, which require education/testing/in-service recertification only available through local unions...thereby eliminating "trained" non-union workers). During the last decade I was a consultant, around a dozen of my non-union clients grew weary of the incessant, around-the-clock union harassment, eventually choosing to either sell their businesses or completely shut the door. Those businesses who sold, shortly became unionized. It is a FACT that unionized businesses sacrifice most of their competitiveness by being union. Unionized business cannot compete with non-union biz outside the scope of specialty products and govt. contracts.

Having confidence of the owners, I can personally swear that virtually all owners conscientously sought to provide the best pay and benefits they could reasonably afford. Yes, there were a few who tread on the worker's backs, but they HONESTLY were the exception to the rule.
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kalm wrote:
Ibanez wrote:
Good post! Boeing has been a great asset to the community and this bullshit case is one of many reasons why unions are ruining American businesses and pushing them into foreign countries

I'm not a big union guy, but really? They represent something like 10% of the private sector workforce. Was Boeing not a great asset for the Seattle community? Will you applaud when Boeing moves its operation out of SC? What will Boeing do when that next state or nation's workers get tired of working for less?

Race to the bottom.
Hyperbole alert there, Sweetie.

Boeing still is headquartered in Seattle and most of the manufacturing still occurs there.

All they are doing in SC is assembling ONE piece of ONE type of aircraft in SC. That is hardly Boeing "moving its operation". The Dreamliner is manufactured all over the place. Rosie the Riveter isn't starving in Seattle. The union wants to keep ALL the jobs under its umbrella and that is why they are whining and of couse the media is more than willing to give them a microphone.
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CID1990 wrote:
kalm wrote:

I'm not a big union guy, but really? They represent something like 10% of the private sector workforce. Was Boeing not a great asset for the Seattle community? Will you applaud when Boeing moves its operation out of SC? What will Boeing do when that next state or nation's workers get tired of working for less?

Race to the bottom.
Hyperbole alert there, Sweetie.

Boeing still is headquartered in Seattle and most of the manufacturing still occurs there.

All they are doing in SC is assembling ONE piece of ONE type of aircraft in SC. That is hardly Boeing "moving its operation". The Dreamliner is manufactured all over the place. Rosie the Riveter isn't starving in Seattle. The union wants to keep ALL the jobs under its umbrella and that is why they are whining and of couse the media is more than willing to give them a microphone.
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travelinman67 wrote:
travelinman67 wrote:
Are you fucking kidding?

Here...start with this...I dare you.

http://www.noaa.gov/lawenforcementupdat ... report.pdf

There's a good two hours reading there...but if you have the guts to see how NOAA/Dept of Interior uses bureaucratic rules/regs to extort money from the fishing industry, and even uses the threat of those regs. to force companies out of business...you'll begin to understand why businesses hate our govt. Take notice of the Yellow Tail Fin Letter of Authorization requirement, and "change of horsepower" engine notification. The regulators/attorneys who employed those regs to fine/punish the businesses/people in that industry should be hung from the neck as traitors. U.S. Federal bureaucrats make Nazi Germany look like bleeding heart pussies.
As a follow up to the NOAA's integrity-bereft problems which Obama has arrogantly been ignoring...Sen. Brown publicly calls for NOAA Director Lubchenco to (finally) be fired.

http://www.boston.com/news/local/massac ... noaa_head/
GLOUCESTER, Mass.—Massachusetts Sen. Scott Brown is calling on President Obama to fire the head of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, saying she's worsened the fishing industry's problems.

Brown said Saturday in a press conference at the Gloucester waterfront that Obama should replace Jane Lubchenco.

In a statement, Brown said Lubchenco was indifferent to the industry's struggles and wrongly committed to a new management system he says is destroying fishing jobs.

Brown joins Massachusetts Rep. John Tierney and North Carolina Rep. Walter Jones, who last year called for Lubchenco's dismissal.

A NOAA spokesman said Lubchenco has always sought success for fishermen and wants to partner with them to build a profitable industry. He pointed to NOAA's commitment this week of millions to fund required on-board catch observers, a cost fishermen had worried they'd have to absorb.
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Hmmm...lessee here...not enough money for police and fire...not enough money for federal marhalls on every flight...but there's enough taxpayer money for our government to hire and pay a "catch observer" on every fishing vessel???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Boot-in-the-ass-don't-let-the-door-hit-you-on-the-way-out time.

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More NOAA regulatory shenanigans...

http://www.capecodonline.com/apps/pbcs. ... /-1/NEWS01
This fish story may lack the epic qualities of Ernest Hemingway's 1952 classic“The Old Man and the Sea,” but for New Bedford's Carlos Rafael, the outcome was about the same. In both cases, despite capturing and bringing home a huge fish, powerful circum­stances conspired to deprive the luckless fishermen of a potentially huge reward.

Boat owner Rafael, a big player in the local fishing industry, was elated when the crew of his 76-foot steel dragger Apollo told him they had unwittingly captured a giant bluefin tuna in their trawl gear while fishing offshore.

“They didn't catch that fish on the bottom,” he said. “They probably got it in the mid­water when they were setting out and it just got corralled in the net. That only happens once in a blue moon.”

Rafael, who in the last four years purchased 15 tuna permits for his groundfish boats to cover just such an eventuality, imme­diately called a bluefin tuna hot line maintained by fishery regu­lators to report the catch.

When the weather offshore deteriorated, the Apollo decided to seek shelter in Provincetown Harbor on Nov. 12. Rafael imme­diately set off in a truck to meet the boat.

“I wanted to sell the fish while it was fresh instead of letting it age on the boat,”he said.“It was a beautiful fish.”

It was also a lucrative one. Highly prized in Japan, a 754­pound specimen fetched a record price at a Tokyo auction in January this year, selling for nearly $396,000. These fish can grow to enormous size. The world record for a bluefin, which has stood since 1979, was set when a 1,496-pound specimen was caught off Nova Scotia.

However, when Rafael rolled down the dock in Provincetown there was an unexpected and unwelcome development. The authorities were waiting. Agents from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration's Office of Law Enforcement informed him they were confis­cating his fish — all 881 pounds of it.

Even though the catch had been declared and the boat had a tuna permit, the rules do not allow fishermen to catch bluefin tuna in a net.

“They said it had to be caught with rod and reel,” a frustrated Rafael said.“We didn't try to hide anything. We did everything by the book. Nobody ever told me we couldn't catch it with a net.”

In any case, after being towed for more than two hours in the net, the fish was already dead when the Apollo hauled back its gear, he said.

“What are we supposed to do?” he asked. “They said they were going to give me a warn­ing,” Rafael said. “I think I'm going to surrender all my tuna permits now. What good are they if I can't catch them?”

No charges have yet been filed in connection with the catch, but a written warning is anticipated, according to Chris­tine Patrick, a public affairs specialist with NOAA who said the fish has been forfeited and will be sold on consignment overseas. Proceeds from the sale of the fish will be held in an account pending final reso­lution of the case, NOAA said. No information on the value of the fish was available Friday.

“The matter is still under investigation,”said Monica Allen, deputy director with NOAA Fisheries public affairs. “If it's determined that there has been a violation, the money will go into the asset forfeiture fund.”

“I think I'm going to sur­render all my tuna permits now. What good are they if I can't catch them?”
Guy has the permits, but accidentally catches a non-endangered fish using the "wrong method"...loses the catch and recieves a written warning?

Naw...there's no overbearing regulatory burden.

:ohno:

Fire Lubchenko
Fire Cho
Fire Holder
Fire Geithner
Fire Salazar

Long past due.
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