alyssa wrote:I said something about this in one of my earlier posts. I've written an unpublished book about what mascots really mean. It is wrong to use the "R" word for it is bad medicine. It is the worst word to use against us. It is a death word. It has to do with skinning us and selling the skins for money.
I'm not looking up my post on another thread.
I hate talking about the subject now because of the defiance caused by ignorance and hated etc.
I've lost many relationships over this and I know many persons don't like me for standing up for my Indigenous peoples over the way we are treated. Far too many of our own peoples don't even know when they are being offended because of the forced changes in the past that continue to have hold on too many of us today. I'm glad my immediate family is smart and educated and understands.
One of my distant grandmothers was forced from her homeland when young, but old enough to remember, to Oklahoma. Then she was murdered in the 1890s by government men when the government came to take her reservation land away from her and she stood up to them to fight them. Of course, she was labeled an "upriser". It was in Bogey Depot, Oklahoma. The land was changed from reservation land to allotments in order to shrink the American Indians' land and give more to settlers. This made it so that many of her relatives ran in fear from the government men and did not sign the Dawes Roll. Today one cannot be a member of one of the tribes by law if an ancestor did not sign the roll. So now you have so many persons with Indigenous bloodlines that cannot be Indian by law because of frightened or ashamed ancestors who did not sign the roll. I'm lucky that I belong to another tribe though where we are all wealthy. The thing is there are not many of us left, even when it is someone like me, a mixed blood person.
"Eracism".
Say, have you met dal? He has a lot of latent anger issues, too.
TheDancinMonarch wrote:As soon as President Obama gets his hometown hockey team to change their name and logo then we can discuss the Redskins doing the same.
Not equivalent. Blackhawk is the name of a tribe, redskin is a name given to them based on the color of their skin.
Actually Blackhawk was a Chief of the Sauk/Meskwaki (Fox) tribe.
What athletic team mascots are named after individuals?
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It will probably be difficult for MAQA yahoos to overcome the Qult programming but they should give being rational & reasonable a try.
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If the Indians don't like the name, then it should be abolished. But I don't want to hear them complain when their whole existence is forgotten. The peak of "Western" movies has long been over. Kids don't play Cowboys and Indians like they once did. There is less and less time spent on the Indian history in school. The only thing that will preserve the heritage of the Indians will be the names of cities and rivers. If it wasn't for sports mascots, the only time I would have heard of the Sioux or the Seminoles was from a single paragraph in my 5th grade history book.
It may be better to keep the names and educate people on the history and significance than to eliminate it and let future generations never learn about them.
alyssa wrote:I said something about this in one of my earlier posts. I've written an unpublished book about what mascots really mean. It is wrong to use the "R" word for it is bad medicine. It is the worst word to use against us. It is a death word. It has to do with skinning us and selling the skins for money.
I'm not looking up my post on another thread.
I hate talking about the subject now because of the defiance caused by ignorance and hated etc.
I've lost many relationships over this and I know many persons don't like me for standing up for my Indigenous peoples over the way we are treated. Far too many of our own peoples don't even know when they are being offended because of the forced changes in the past that continue to have hold on too many of us today. I'm glad my immediate family is smart and educated and understands.
One of my distant grandmothers was forced from her homeland when young, but old enough to remember, to Oklahoma. Then she was murdered in the 1890s by government men when the government came to take her reservation land away from her and she stood up to them to fight them. Of course, she was labeled an "upriser". It was in Bogey Depot, Oklahoma. The land was changed from reservation land to allotments in order to shrink the American Indians' land and give more to settlers. This made it so that many of her relatives ran in fear from the government men and did not sign the Dawes Roll. Today one cannot be a member of one of the tribes by law if an ancestor did not sign the roll. So now you have so many persons with Indigenous bloodlines that cannot be Indian by law because of frightened or ashamed ancestors who did not sign the roll. I'm lucky that I belong to another tribe though where we are all wealthy. The thing is there are not many of us left, even when it is someone like me, a mixed blood person.
"Eracism".
So wait. You grandmother remembers being forced to leave her home and she was murdered in 1890? Huh?
"Elaine, you're from Baltimore, right?"
"Yes, well, Towson actually."
CID1990 wrote:Actual Micks and Jock call themselves that, and the terms are not considered derogatory. There's a well known pipe tune, written in celebration of an old collaboration of the Royal Scots and the Irish Guards called "The Micks and the Jocks", and nobody gets their panties in a bunch about it.
I don't have any problem with naming a team after a tribe, a chief or even calling them Indians or Braves. Redskins does seem a little too far though. Maybe the team can change the name to a tribe that was local to the DC area. That way they don't have to change the logo.
I don't know how tribes feel about their names being used, maybe there is a tribe that would not object.
89Hen wrote:
FWIW, the Blackhawks changed their name not too long ago from Black Hawks (the original name) so I'm not sure if it was named after a person.
The team was named after the original owner's WWI Division which was named after Chief Black Hawk.
"What I'm saying is: You might have taken care of your wolf problem, but everyone around town is going to think of you as the crazy son of a bitch who bought land mines to get rid of wolves."
CAA Flagship wrote:If the Indians don't like the name, then it should be abolished. But I don't want to hear them complain when their whole existence is forgotten. The peak of "Western" movies has long been over. Kids don't play Cowboys and Indians like they once did. There is less and less time spent on the Indian history in school. The only thing that will preserve the heritage of the Indians will be the names of cities and rivers. If it wasn't for sports mascots, the only time I would have heard of the Sioux or the Seminoles was from a single paragraph in my 5th grade history book.
It may be better to keep the names and educate people on the history and significance than to eliminate it and let future generations never learn about them.
alyssa wrote:I said something about this in one of my earlier posts. I've written an unpublished book about what mascots really mean. It is wrong to use the "R" word for it is bad medicine. It is the worst word to use against us. It is a death word. It has to do with skinning us and selling the skins for money.
I'm not looking up my post on another thread.
I hate talking about the subject now because of the defiance caused by ignorance and hated etc.
I've lost many relationships over this and I know many persons don't like me for standing up for my Indigenous peoples over the way we are treated. Far too many of our own peoples don't even know when they are being offended because of the forced changes in the past that continue to have hold on too many of us today. I'm glad my immediate family is smart and educated and understands.
One of my distant grandmothers was forced from her homeland when young, but old enough to remember, to Oklahoma. Then she was murdered in the 1890s by government men when the government came to take her reservation land away from her and she stood up to them to fight them. Of course, she was labeled an "upriser". It was in Bogey Depot, Oklahoma. The land was changed from reservation land to allotments in order to shrink the American Indians' land and give more to settlers. This made it so that many of her relatives ran in fear from the government men and did not sign the Dawes Roll. Today one cannot be a member of one of the tribes by law if an ancestor did not sign the roll. So now you have so many persons with Indigenous bloodlines that cannot be Indian by law because of frightened or ashamed ancestors who did not sign the roll. I'm lucky that I belong to another tribe though where we are all wealthy. The thing is there are not many of us left, even when it is someone like me, a mixed blood person.
"Eracism".
There are more important things to fight. This isn't one of them. My wife and her family are active members in the Wassmassaw tribe in South Carolina and they don't care. I've been around them when they talk politics and they just don't care. They are busy trying to get federal recognition so they can get access to scholarship money for children. Some people want the media attention.
CAA Flagship wrote:If the Indians don't like the name, then it should be abolished. But I don't want to hear them complain when their whole existence is forgotten. The peak of "Western" movies has long been over. Kids don't play Cowboys and Indians like they once did. There is less and less time spent on the Indian history in school. The only thing that will preserve the heritage of the Indians will be the names of cities and rivers. If it wasn't for sports mascots, the only time I would have heard of the Sioux or the Seminoles was from a single paragraph in my 5th grade history book.
It may be better to keep the names and educate people on the history and significance than to eliminate it and let future generations never learn about them.
Great post.
Hey, did Indians descend from the Nips?
Didn't we have a discussion about talking about Nips?
"What I'm saying is: You might have taken care of your wolf problem, but everyone around town is going to think of you as the crazy son of a bitch who bought land mines to get rid of wolves."
alyssa wrote:I said something about this in one of my earlier posts. I've written an unpublished book about what mascots really mean. It is wrong to use the "R" word for it is bad medicine. It is the worst word to use against us. It is a death word. It has to do with skinning us and selling the skins for money.
I'm not looking up my post on another thread.
I hate talking about the subject now because of the defiance caused by ignorance and hated etc.
I've lost many relationships over this and I know many persons don't like me for standing up for my Indigenous peoples over the way we are treated. Far too many of our own peoples don't even know when they are being offended because of the forced changes in the past that continue to have hold on too many of us today. I'm glad my immediate family is smart and educated and understands.
One of my distant grandmothers was forced from her homeland when young, but old enough to remember, to Oklahoma. Then she was murdered in the 1890s by government men when the government came to take her reservation land away from her and she stood up to them to fight them. Of course, she was labeled an "upriser". It was in Bogey Depot, Oklahoma. The land was changed from reservation land to allotments in order to shrink the American Indians' land and give more to settlers. This made it so that many of her relatives ran in fear from the government men and did not sign the Dawes Roll. Today one cannot be a member of one of the tribes by law if an ancestor did not sign the roll. So now you have so many persons with Indigenous bloodlines that cannot be Indian by law because of frightened or ashamed ancestors who did not sign the roll. I'm lucky that I belong to another tribe though where we are all wealthy. The thing is there are not many of us left, even when it is someone like me, a mixed blood person.
"Eracism".
So wait. You grandmother remembers being forced to leave her home and she was murdered in 1890? Huh?
That confused me as well. Btw, you fail to mention that by the 1890's, Bogey Depot was pretty much a ghost town.
