Anti Stereotyping

[Chizzang]

Except John lives in a hilarious world
where almost everything is a veiled attack on whitey and common decency

No, I live in a culture in which an egalitarian dogma associated with an egalitarian delusion has taken firm hold. And so do you. You just apparently don't realize it.

I'm so blind and brainwashed John... save me

[JohnStOnge]

m so blind and brainwashed John... save me

I should not have said anything about what you realize or don't realize but we do live in a culture in which there is a secular humanitarian egalitarian dogma that is every bit as irrational as any religious dogma you may choose to inspect. In fact I think it may even be defined as a religion; though it is not have an official hierarchy or organizational structure. You worry about whether or not people accept things like the overall theory of evolution when it frankly doesn't matter if people accept it or not. No practical impact. This egalitarian dogma flies in the face of some very obvious data. It corrupts science because a critical mass of those in the social, educational, and psychological sciences subscribe to it. And it does have impacts. It's not an abstract problem that has no practical significance as is the case with something like whether or not one believes the Earth is 5,000 instead of 5 billion years old.

[Chizzang]

m so blind and brainwashed John... save me

I should not have said anything about what you realize or don't realize but we do live in a culture in which there is a secular humanitarian egalitarian dogma that is every bit as irrational as any religious dogma you may choose to inspect. In fact I think it may even be defined as a religion; though it is not have an official hierarchy or organizational structure. You worry about whether or not people accept things like the overall theory of evolution when it frankly doesn't matter if people accept it or not. No practical impact. This egalitarian dogma flies in the face of some very obvious data. It corrupts science because a critical mass of those in the social, educational, and psychological sciences subscribe to it. And it does have impacts. It's not an abstract problem that has no practical significance as is the case with something like whether or not one believes the Earth is 5,000 instead of 5 billion years old.

Firstly: Yes
Almost nothing that somebody chooses to believe or not believe matters - truly nothing matters
Any freshman student of philosophy can tell you that

But what you're talking about is people believing something because they're told to believe something
and: What we choose to tell people to believe as a culture and a society does matter

(See ISIS as an example of Bronze age logic at work and choosing to believe the wrong things)

Science is what got us out of the dark ages mess we were in John - and that is just a fact
You'll have to forgive the science crowd a bit of over zealousness today
but without them we're ISIS

[mrklean]

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You know of course that it is true that there is a tendency to make the White guy the stupid and/or uncertain one in commercials. I suspect that's because it is the "safest thing to do in today's politically correct culture.

[AZGrizFan]

JSO and other anti-PC folks sure do sound like whiny little bitches when it comes to white men's issues.

Y'all would be as bad as the people that annoy you so much if you had more of an opportunity to be.

Boy, stating a simple fact sure seems to get under your skin.

[JohnStOnge]

Almost nothing that somebody chooses to believe or not believe matters - truly nothing matters
Any freshman student of philosophy can tell you that

I once took a freshman philosophy course and pretty quickly realized that philosophy courses are crap.

Otherwise, I'll give you a specific example of why the egalitarian dogma matters in a practical sense. I have a sister who is a retired teacher. another sister that is an active teacher, and two sister in laws that were teachers. You get these teacher evaluation programs. And they rate teachers on how students do.

I actually called the Louisiana department of education once and asked them if they take demographics into account when they do that. They don't. And I can tell you why they don't because I've talked to my relatives who are teachers who have been in in service training and such. They don't because the egalitarian dogma dictates that being rational about the kind of "raw material" teachers have to deal with is not allowed.

So if you're a teacher at a school attended by predominantly White middle to upper class students you are In like Flynn. And if you're a teacher in a school attended by predominantly Black, poor students you are screwed. And that is all because of the egalitarian dogma. Especially when it comes to race. You are NOT allowed to consider the fact that what we call race does matter when it comes to the scores they use for teacher evaluation.

In fact i have one sister in law who was assigned to a poor minority school and realized she was screwed so she changed jobs. And I think she was a good teacher. Or, at least, I know she cared. The egalitarian dogma does have consequences.

[kalm]

Almost nothing that somebody chooses to believe or not believe matters - truly nothing matters
Any freshman student of philosophy can tell you that

I once took a freshman philosophy course and pretty quickly realized that philosophy courses are crap.

Otherwise, I'll give you a specific example of why the egalitarian dogma matters in a practical sense. I have a sister who is a retired teacher. another sister that is an active teacher, and two sister in laws that were teachers. You get these teacher evaluation programs. And they rate teachers on how students do.

I actually called the Louisiana department of education once and asked them if they take demographics into account when they do that. They don't. And I can tell you why they don't because I've talked to my relatives who are teachers who have been in in service training and such. They don't because the egalitarian dogma dictates that being rational about the kind of "raw material" teachers have to deal with is not allowed.

So if you're a teacher at a school attended by predominantly White middle to upper class students you are In like Flynn. And if you're a teacher in a school attended by predominantly Black, poor students you are screwed. And that is all because of the egalitarian dogma. Especially when it comes to race. You are NOT allowed to consider the fact that what we call race does matter when it comes to the scores they use for teacher evaluation.

In fact i have one sister in law who was assigned to a poor minority school and realized she was screwed so she changed jobs. And I think she was a good teacher. Or, at least, I know she cared. The egalitarian dogma does have consequences.

I've mentioned before that 1) there are practically no black people in the Spokane area, and 2) the Cheney School District is outstanding and highly regarded.

I have a good friend who's 1st teaching job was a one year stint at the poorest elementary school in the district. It was located in Airway Heights which is adjacent to an Air Force Base, large indian casino, and a prison.

Her first parent-teacher conferences had only 3 parents out of 27 kids show up. She dealt with lice infestations in her classroom, delinquency, the whole 9 yards.

She then got a job at the school my boys went to. The opposite ratio of parent-teacher conference attendance happened.

Poverty has way more to do with outcomes than race, John.

[CAA Flagship]

I once took a freshman philosophy course and pretty quickly realized that philosophy courses are crap.

Otherwise, I'll give you a specific example of why the egalitarian dogma matters in a practical sense. I have a sister who is a retired teacher. another sister that is an active teacher, and two sister in laws that were teachers. You get these teacher evaluation programs. And they rate teachers on how students do.

I actually called the Louisiana department of education once and asked them if they take demographics into account when they do that. They don't. And I can tell you why they don't because I've talked to my relatives who are teachers who have been in in service training and such. They don't because the egalitarian dogma dictates that being rational about the kind of "raw material" teachers have to deal with is not allowed.

So if you're a teacher at a school attended by predominantly White middle to upper class students you are In like Flynn. And if you're a teacher in a school attended by predominantly Black, poor students you are screwed. And that is all because of the egalitarian dogma. Especially when it comes to race. You are NOT allowed to consider the fact that what we call race does matter when it comes to the scores they use for teacher evaluation.

In fact i have one sister in law who was assigned to a poor minority school and realized she was screwed so she changed jobs. And I think she was a good teacher. Or, at least, I know she cared. The egalitarian dogma does have consequences.

I've mentioned before that 1) there are practically no black people in the Spokane area, and 2) the Cheney School District is outstanding and highly regarded.

I have a good friend who's 1st teaching job was a one year stint at the poorest elementary school in the district. It was located in Airway Heights which is adjacent to an Air Force Base, large indian casino, and a prison.

Her first parent-teacher conferences had only 3 parents out of 27 kids show up. She dealt with lice infestations in her classroom, delinquency, the whole 9 yards.

She then got a job at the school my boys went to. The opposite ratio of parent-teacher conference attendance happened.

Poverty has way more to do with outcomes than race, John.

But please continue with the root cause analysis. Why are people in poverty?

[JohnStOnge]

Poverty has way more to do with outcomes than race, John.

It's one of those things that we can never really settle because it's all observational but I think it's reasonable to believe otherwise. That National Assessment of Educational Progress (NAEP) stuff again. Latest 12th grade math test (2013). For now I'll just note that thing I frequently refer to where Asian kids eligible for the school lunch program with parents that did not graduate high school averaged higher scores than Black kids who were not on the school lunch program with at least one parent who graduated from college. The poor Asian kids with parents that didn't finish high school averaged 8 points higher than the middle to upper class Black kids who had at least one parent who graduated from college (153 vs. 145).

It's pretty tough to argue that being poor vs. not being poor is more important than being Asian vs. being Black in the face of that kind of outcome.

There's more in the NAEP data that makes it reasonable to believe that you're incorrect and at first I wrote some more but I really am trying be at least a little better about writing really long posts. If you're interested in seeing more let me know.

[Skjellyfetti]

Are Indians (dot) considered Asians? They're very closely related to Africans and Caucasians. And, I'm sure they also score very high on this NEAP test.

Also, Indians (feather) are very, very close genetically to Asians. Why the dramatic difference in NEAP scores between Asians and Indians (feather)?

What about Middle Easterners? Asian? White? Black? With their high representation in STEM fields, I'd bet they'd score high on the NEAP test as well.


Also, how do you explain the narrowing gap between black and white since the 1970s?

[JohnStOnge]

Also, how do you explain the narrowing gap between black and white since the 1970s?

There has been a lot of effort to close the achievement gap. Also, environmental factors do matter. If you start off with a situation in which the environments are dramatically different and succeed in narrowing the environmental gap to some extent you will narrow the scores gap to some extent. But that does not mean that environment accounts for all of the gap.

Otherwise, if I look at NAEP scores in order to see for myself I can't go back to the 1970s. I can only go back to 1990 and I can't go back that far with all tests. I can do it with the 8th Grade math test. And with that one the gap between Blacks and Whites was 0.97 standard deviations in 1990 and it was 0.91 standard deviations in 2013.

That's not much of a difference over 23 years. It would be nice to "control" for the variables I'd like to control for to compare the two years. But unfortunately I can't because for some reason the NAEP did not break things down by whether or not students were eligible for the school lunch program in 1990. Kind of amazing but that's not in there.

[JohnStOnge]

Are Indians (dot) considered Asians? They're very closely related to Africans and Caucasians. And, I'm sure they also score very high on this NEAP test.

Also, Indians (feather) are very, very close genetically to Asians. Why the dramatic difference in NEAP scores between Asians and Indians (feather)?

What about Middle Easterners? Asian? White? Black? With their high representation in STEM fields, I'd bet they'd score high on the NEAP test as well.?

I think that old world Indians are probably considered Asians. Middle Easterners? If they are what we call "Arabs" and if I had to bet i'd bet they are considered White in the NAEP paradigm.

Now to your thing about "Asians" vs. "Native Americans." They were reproductively isolated from each other for a long time.

The NAEP site provides an option for regression analysis. The idea is you hold some variables constant while you look at others. And if you use the 2013 12th grade math test and hold parental education level and eligibility for the school lunch program constant there is about a 29 point difference between "Asian" and "American Indian/Alaska Native." For instance: If you're looking at two kids and both of them are poor and both of them have parents who didn't get out of high school the expected mean outcome is that the "Asian" kid scores about 29 points higher than the American Indian kid. I think the impetus is on YOU to explain why you think environment could account for that large of a difference.

And that's the thing. The egalitarians say environment accounts for such things. But they can't explain the differences with environment. It just doesn't work.

[houndawg]

I've mentioned before that 1) there are practically no black people in the Spokane area, and 2) the Cheney School District is outstanding and highly regarded.

I have a good friend who's 1st teaching job was a one year stint at the poorest elementary school in the district. It was located in Airway Heights which is adjacent to an Air Force Base, large indian casino, and a prison.

Her first parent-teacher conferences had only 3 parents out of 27 kids show up. She dealt with lice infestations in her classroom, delinquency, the whole 9 yards.

She then got a job at the school my boys went to. The opposite ratio of parent-teacher conference attendance happened.

Poverty has way more to do with outcomes than race, John.

But please continue with the root cause analysis. Why are people in poverty?

They aren't in poverty. They all have i phones and Air Jordans. And they get huge checks from the guvmint every month.

[GrizFanStuckInUtah]

What I want to know is why 100% of the ED commercials feature smoking hot women. Why not a commerical where the wife is a Roseanne Barr type to show that your little blue pill could even overcome that?

Great point, 89.

Just think of all the fat, ugly women that can't get commercial work

Melissa McCarthy seems to be finding work.