NC Voter ID Law Overturned

[Ibanez]

Why should out of staters get to vote TWICE in an election? That's what I would like to know...

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Because democrats wants to expand bureaucracy and cause a system if double checks. You know because the voter rosters are always current that it'll be an easy job to do.

[CAA Flagship]

That's been my issue with this. To buy cigarettes, alcohol, medicine, cash a check, enter certain buildings, rent an apartment, get a job, etc....you need some form of valid ID, usually a state issued ID. If you already have that, then how difficult is it to use that or modify it to show you're a registered voter? There's plenty of room to have a "V" somewhere to indicate registration.

It's not a difficult thing to implement. We don't need another card. Alter what's already in place and hold registration drives. Guess what, most DLs have barcodes. You can easily alter a digital file to verify a registration.

200,000 is what...10% of the adult population? What percentage of these folks actually vote anyway?

Perhaps NC should base it on the number of teeth?

[AshevilleApp]

Why should out of staters get to vote TWICE in an election? That's what I would like to know...

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As far as the student voting, they can't. They have to declare where their place of residence is. Same as if someone lives 6 months in NC and 6 months in Florida (as many do).

[CitadelGrad]

One thing that always gets me is how the same people who are all for all sorts of checks and verifications on people who want to buy guns when the right to keep and bear arms is in the Bill of Rights think it's horrible to require relatively mild checks and verifications on people who want to vote...which is a right not nearly so emphasized in the Constitution as the right to keep and bear arms is.

But it's OK for this cycle if it reduces the chances of Trump becoming President.

So do you think the right to keep and bear arms is more important than the right to vote? That might be an interesting discussion.

Oh...and way to stand on principle given "this cycle"...

Of course it is more important. There is no right to vote.

[Chizzang]

Why should out of staters get to vote TWICE in an election? That's what I would like to know...

This ^ statement could only be uttered by a person who's either NEVER VOTED
or isn't very bright...

[BDKJMU]

Why should out of staters get to vote TWICE in an election? That's what I would like to know...

This ^ statement could only be uttered by a person who's either NEVER VOTED
or isn't very bright...

Wouldn't be hard to be on the rolls and to vote in 2 states if one wanted to..

[Chizzang]

This ^ statement could only be uttered by a person who's either NEVER VOTED
or isn't very bright...

Wouldn't be hard to be on the rolls and to vote in 2 states if one wanted to..

The last study I saw in 2014 the Republican National Committee compiled a list of 3,273 Democrats who had supposedly voted twice... and that was all they could come up with when they checked

NY. GA. FL. SC. NC.VA.

6 state voter registration study and 3,273 potential double registered voters

[CID1990]

Whether it is a problem or not nobody really knows- the right saying it can swing elections is as speculative as the left saying it doesn't

but it is a fact that if someone wants to, they can be registered in multiple states and vote once in each of those states. I was simultaneously registered in SC and NC. I could vote in both states today if I wanted to- and there's no checks to make sure I don't. So that IS a potential problem and should be fixed

the thing with national voter registration that bothers conservatives is that it flirts with national databases that can become monsters of personal data mining- social security already does it

It really wouldnt be that hard to firewall national registration so that the data can be used ONLY for safeguarding the idea of one vote-one citizen, but our Congress is incapable of enacting something lije that. By the time it becomes law it would include additions allowing everything from health data to the tracking of who owns a Samsung phone vs an Apple one

and so we are where we are- with a highly flawed election system where anyone can vote whether they are entitled to or not - regardless of whether fraud is a "thing" or not


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[Ibanez]

[BDKJMU]

Wouldn't be hard to be on the rolls and to vote in 2 states if one wanted to..

The last study I saw in 2014 the Republican National Committee compiled a list of 3,273 Democrats who had supposedly voted twice... and that was all they could come up with when they checked

NY. GA. FL. SC. NC.VA.

6 state voter registration study and 3,273 potential double registered voters

Link? If true that's all they found. Plus you have the people who voted once who shouldn't have voted at all.

2008 election
22.48 million non citizens (2010 census)
22% registered, 6.4% voted = 1.44 million votes out of 131.3 million 2008, 1.1% of vote.

Estimated about 80% of these non citizens voted for Obama. This could make a difference in a very close election..
http://www.championshipsubdivision.com/ ... s#p1014329

[Chizzang]

The last study I saw in 2014 the Republican National Committee compiled a list of 3,273 Democrats who had supposedly voted twice... and that was all they could come up with when they checked

NY. GA. FL. SC. NC.VA.

6 state voter registration study and 3,273 potential double registered voters

Link? If true that's all they found. Plus you have the people who voted once who shouldn't have voted at all.

2008 election
22.48 million non citizens (2010 census)
22% registered, 6.4% voted = 1.44 million votes out of 131.3 million 2008, 1.1% of vote.

Estimated about 80% of these non citizens voted for Obama. This could make a difference in a very close election..
http://www.championshipsubdivision.com/ ... s#p1014329

Oh it's true...
Conservative states do a ton of national damage to themselves
They might "aspire" to clean up their states voting laws by filtering out whoever
but all they do Nationally is load the pistol and shoot their foot (again)

in 2002
https://www.ssa.gov/legislation/legis_b ... 10702.html
states require a social security number to register to vote
and an ID to walk through the door

[AshevilleApp]

Whether it is a problem or not nobody really knows- the right saying it can swing elections is as speculative as the left saying it doesn't

but it is a fact that if someone wants to, they can be registered in multiple states and vote once in each of those states. I was simultaneously registered in SC and NC. I could vote in both states today if I wanted to- and there's no checks to make sure I don't. So that IS a potential problem and should be fixed

the thing with national voter registration that bothers conservatives is that it flirts with national databases that can become monsters of personal data mining- social security already does it

It really wouldnt be that hard to firewall national registration so that the data can be used ONLY for safeguarding the idea of one vote-one citizen, but our Congress is incapable of enacting something lije that. By the time it becomes law it would include additions allowing everything from health data to the tracking of who owns a Samsung phone vs an Apple one

and so we are where we are- with a highly flawed election system where anyone can vote whether they are entitled to or not - regardless of whether fraud is a "thing" or not


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You may well be right, but this is from the State Board of Elections. How they could follow up on it, I don't know.



To register to vote and vote in a North Carolina county, a person must meet the following qualification:

Must be a U.S. citizen.

Must be a resident of the county, and prior to voting in an election, must have resided at his or her residential address for at least 30 days prior to the date of the election.

Must be at least 18 years old or will be 18 by the date of the next general election. (If 17 years old, persons may register no earlier than 60 days prior to the date of the primary election for the general election.)

Must not be serving a sentence for a felony conviction (including probation or on parole). If previously convicted of a felony, the person’s citizenship rights must be restored. Citizenship and voting rights are automatically restored upon completion of the sentence. No special document is needed.

Must rescind any previous registration in another county or state.

I checked my status on the same site, I'm only registered in one county, but that is only in NC. I would hope that communication between states happen, but the likelihood of that is small. Just as the likelihood of people bothering to vote in more than one state.

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

If you cannot attain a picture ID you are too stupid to vote.

Everything else and all the excuses are bullshit. If voting is important to you you should have a valid ID

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[AshevilleApp]

If you cannot attain a picture ID you are too stupid to vote.

Everything else and all the excuses are bullshit. If voting is important to you you should have a valid ID

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Actually, I don't have a problem with the ID part. Go read the law.

[Chizzang]

If you cannot attain a picture ID you are too stupid to vote.

Everything else and all the excuses are bullshit. If voting is important to you you should have a valid ID

To date no court has ever overturned a voting law that simply asks for ID

[DSUrocks07]

Why should out of staters get to vote TWICE in an election? That's what I would like to know...

This ^ statement could only be uttered by a person who's either NEVER VOTED
or isn't very bright...

Watauga County doesn't want shitheads from Maryland voting in the local elections and with damn good reason

Out of state students have just as much right to vote as anyone else. Otherwise they could just make a law that out-of-state students are not allowed to vote.

But, you do admit here that they are choosing populations that they would rather not vote and making it more difficult for them to do so.

Glad you see the light on this.

Supposedly its too difficult to have an out of state college student who is still a resident of their home state to fill out an absentee ballot and should be allowed to vote in the state that their college is in no questions asked.

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[JohnStOnge]

Wouldn't be hard to be on the rolls and to vote in 2 states if one wanted to..

The last study I saw in 2014 the Republican National Committee compiled a list of 3,273 Democrats who had supposedly voted twice... and that was all they could come up with when they checked

NY. GA. FL. SC. NC.VA.

6 state voter registration study and 3,273 potential double registered voters

Forgive me but I'm going to type this without looking up the specific numbers. I think I'll be close but you can Google around and check if you want.

The 2000 Presidential election was decided by a few hundred votes in Florida. Subsequent media investigation resulted in the conclusion that about 5,000 illegal votes were cast in Florida; with about 70% of them being cast by registered Democrats. That means thatabout 2,000 more illegal votes were cast by registered Democrats than by people registered as either Republican, some other Party, or Independent.

Obviously, that was a case in which illegal votes could very plausibly have determined who the President of the Untied States was.

[Chizzang]

The last study I saw in 2014 the Republican National Committee compiled a list of 3,273 Democrats who had supposedly voted twice... and that was all they could come up with when they checked

NY. GA. FL. SC. NC.VA.

6 state voter registration study and 3,273 potential double registered voters

Forgive me but I'm going to type this without looking up the specific numbers. I think I'll be close but you can Google around and check if you want.

The 2000 Presidential election was decided by a few hundred votes in Florida. Subsequent media investigation resulted in the conclusion that about 5,000 illegal votes were cast in Florida; with about 70% of them being cast by registered Democrats. That means thatabout 2,000 more illegal votes were cast by registered Democrats than by people registered as either Republican, some other Party, or Independent.

Obviously, that was a case in which illegal votes could very plausibly have determined who the President of the Untied States was.

The 2000 election:
Depending on who's story you decide to run with...