7/8 NC’s and only SIX bison in the NFL. That doesn’t seem “down” to you?Gil Dobie wrote:6 Bison in the NFL. JMU is now the power in the CAA, EWU and Weber in the Big Sky. Montana is up and down, Delaware mostly down. Those are the fans saying FCS is downAZGrizFan wrote:
How many players from those four schools in the NFL in the past 5 years?
No, because we have several that have played and retired during that time. The average NFL career is 3.3 years. There's been around 13 NDSU players that have signed contracts during that period.AZGrizFan wrote:7/8 NC’s and only SIX bison in the NFL. That doesn’t seem “down” to you?Gil Dobie wrote:
6 Bison in the NFL. JMU is now the power in the CAA, EWU and Weber in the Big Sky. Montana is up and down, Delaware mostly down. Those are the fans saying FCS is down
I mean, SOMEONE is always going to be the relative “power”....doesn’t mean the football is as good.
There is a rumor that NDSU is going to move up to the FBS?????How would they like joining the MID-AMERICA CONFERENCE????????JBB wrote:And don't forget Gil, there has been some outstanding players far above the competition in FCS. Carson Wentz comes to mind. NDSU has put some players on the field that may be the best to ever play the position in this division.
There is also the fact NDSU has people in all positions at all levels of high school, college and pro football on the field, in coaching and in administration.
Of course its also true the schools in the FCS, if it is down, are doing something wrong. Why are they wasting their money, more than ever before is being spent, and why should we care?
The rewards for dominating the division are as great as they ever were. We enjoy the spoils of unparalleled success and don't owe anybody a thing. They have the same chance NDSU has and failure will be as rewarding as ever too.
How good would NDSU be with Bama money?!!! Bang for the buck no program in the country can hold a candle to NDSU.How good is your school at football. Cost/win in 2017:
- NDSU $377,242
USD $454,348 smallest budget by far on list and 8 wins.
SDSU $561,248
JMU $722,261
Montana $872,217
App State $945,009
Delaware $1,093,447
UND $1,488,032
Kansas State $2,490,046 (NDSU beats the Jay Hawks at their brand spanking new stadium and their head coaches brand new statue out front for its first game celebrating KSUs winning tradition)
University Oregon $3,614,005
Iowa $3,993,8242016: 10:1 spending advantage over the Bison and they lose in a convincing fashion at home
Alabama $4,788,646
Potential options to replace UConn in The American:
- If the American Conference wants to make some headlines and add a team outside of the box, then North Dakota State would be the perfect fit. The Bison have been dominating the FCS level and have a total of 15 national championships, seven as a current member of FCS, and eight when they were in Division II. They have won seven out of the last eight FCS National Championships, which is the most in FCS history. And since 2010 they have a six-game winning streak against FBS teams, including the 23-21 win over No. 13 Iowa back in 2016, which shows they compete with the big boys. Adding NDSU would make for some headlines and would boost the conference image by adding one of the best FCS teams in the nation.
Would North Dakota State want to make the jump to The American instead of going independent during the transition phase if they decide to make the leap from FCS to FBS? Also, would the school want to make the jump to the FBS level with all of the success it is having in the FCS ranks for football? Would The American take the risk of adding a team straight out of the FCS ranks?
NDSU has the recruiting and the infrastructure to make them a factor in the FBS level and their style of play would allow them to make a seamless transition like they did when they moved from Division II to FCS in 2004, and safe to say they haven’t dropped off at all. This would be a very unique addition for the conference that many haven't considered.
Wentz is not the best QB in the history of FCS.JBB wrote:And don't forget Gil, there has been some outstanding players far above the competition in FCS. Carson Wentz comes to mind. NDSU has put some players on the field that may be the best to ever play the position in this division.
There is also the fact NDSU has people in all positions at all levels of high school, college and pro football on the field, in coaching and in administration.
Of course its also true the schools in the FCS, if it is down, are doing something wrong. Why are they wasting their money, more than ever before is being spent, and why should we care?
The rewards for dominating the division are as great as they ever were. We enjoy the spoils of unparalleled success and don't owe anybody a thing. They have the same chance NDSU has and failure will be as rewarding as ever too.
NDSU has 2 QB's that won more titles and more games.UNI88 wrote:Wentz is not the best QB in the history of FCS.JBB wrote:And don't forget Gil, there has been some outstanding players far above the competition in FCS. Carson Wentz comes to mind. NDSU has put some players on the field that may be the best to ever play the position in this division.
There is also the fact NDSU has people in all positions at all levels of high school, college and pro football on the field, in coaching and in administration.
Of course its also true the schools in the FCS, if it is down, are doing something wrong. Why are they wasting their money, more than ever before is being spent, and why should we care?
The rewards for dominating the division are as great as they ever were. We enjoy the spoils of unparalleled success and don't owe anybody a thing. They have the same chance NDSU has and failure will be as rewarding as ever too.
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UNI88 wrote:Wentz is not the best QB in the history of FCS.JBB wrote:And don't forget Gil, there has been some outstanding players far above the competition in FCS. Carson Wentz comes to mind. NDSU has put some players on the field that may be the best to ever play the position in this division.
There is also the fact NDSU has people in all positions at all levels of high school, college and pro football on the field, in coaching and in administration.
Of course its also true the schools in the FCS, if it is down, are doing something wrong. Why are they wasting their money, more than ever before is being spent, and why should we care?
The rewards for dominating the division are as great as they ever were. We enjoy the spoils of unparalleled success and don't owe anybody a thing. They have the same chance NDSU has and failure will be as rewarding as ever too.
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Well, in his defense he did play the 2nd half with a sprained ankle and only lost by 3. Need to be 100% when playing in Montana.AZGrizFan wrote:UNI88 wrote:Wentz is not the best QB in the history of FCS.
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The hyperbole from NDSU fans is fucking comical. He couldn't even win in Missoula.
Skelton won the position White might be a red shirtdal4018 wrote:Southern has a QB named DJ White listed at 6-5 230 why isn't he the starting QB his parents are SU Alum.GAD_SU wrote:What a lot of people didn't realize is we got a lot of talent because they grew up watching our games and they wanted to play in the SWAC. Chris Allen LB U of Alabama has a few family members who work at Southern, Navy RB Nelson Smith both his parents went to Southern its just a lot harder for us to get those kids now because so many schools now recruit this state
Listen to Marcus Spears answer when asked who's the best college player of all time
https://youtu.be/gEpHjYcxQdA
Lots of those kids go FBS and some go on the the NFL but when the finish the often end up right back at home cheering for there favorite SWAC team
Suffered with :56 left in the 3rd quarter. He didn't play "the second half" on it. He played 15 minutes. And unless he was playing defense, he wasn't the problem that day.Gil Dobie wrote:Well, in his defense he did play the 2nd half with a sprained ankle and only lost by 3. Need to be 100% when playing in Montana.AZGrizFan wrote:
The hyperbole from NDSU fans is fucking comical. He couldn't even win in Missoula.
Grand Forks Herald
FARGO -- North Dakota State not only lost a football game last Saturday, the Bison may have lost their starting quarterback for the home opener in two weeks. This much is for sure: Carson Wentz probably won't practice this week.
The senior suffered a high ankle sprain in the 38-35 loss to the Grizzlies, although he played the second half on it. Head coach Chris Klieman said Wentz will be re-evaluated next Monday and he'll have a more clear picture then if Wentz will be available against Weber State (Utah) on Sept. 12.
Thank you for making my point, it wasn't all Wentz. Stick took care of the Griz in the return match.AZGrizFan wrote:Suffered with :56 left in the 3rd quarter. He didn't play "the second half" on it. He played 15 minutes. And unless he was playing defense, he wasn't the problem that day.Gil Dobie wrote:
Well, in his defense he did play the 2nd half with a sprained ankle and only lost by 3. Need to be 100% when playing in Montana.
Grand Forks Herald
FARGO -- North Dakota State not only lost a football game last Saturday, the Bison may have lost their starting quarterback for the home opener in two weeks. This much is for sure: Carson Wentz probably won't practice this week.
The senior suffered a high ankle sprain in the 38-35 loss to the Grizzlies, although he played the second half on it. Head coach Chris Klieman said Wentz will be re-evaluated next Monday and he'll have a more clear picture then if Wentz will be available against Weber State (Utah) on Sept. 12.
Just because Montana was able to beat the Bison once at Washington Griz is really no reason to strut.AZGrizFan wrote:UNI88 wrote:Wentz is not the best QB in the history of FCS.
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The hyperbole from NDSU fans is fucking comical. He couldn't even win in Missoula.
I think they’d both crack the top 20 in Big Sky History and maybe the top 5 in EWU history for their position.Gil Dobie wrote:NDSU has 2 QB's that won more titles and more games.UNI88 wrote:Wentz is not the best QB in the history of FCS.
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It's difficult to judge by passing stats alone. EWU's offense has been pass oriented, where the Bison typically are run oriented. I'm not sure Jenson, Wentz or Stick prosper at EWU and the same for EWU QB's at NDSU. Trey Lance might be the best Bison QB by the time he graduates. As a Freshmen, he's rushed for over 600 yards for 9 TD's and 138-196, 23 tds and 0 INT's, 196.6 rating.kalm wrote:I think they’d both crack the top 20 in Big Sky History and maybe the top 5 in EWU history for their position.Gil Dobie wrote:
NDSU has 2 QB's that won more titles and more games.
It was a little tongue in cheek, Gil. But still, for a running back in Beau Baldwin's offense and with future NFL wr's on the squad, to rush for 1500 yards surely means Quincy Forte would have been the greatest running back in Bizon history.Gil Dobie wrote:It's difficult to judge by passing stats alone. EWU's offense has been pass oriented, where the Bison typically are run oriented. I'm not sure Jenson, Wentz or Stick prosper at EWU and the same for EWU QB's at NDSU. Trey Lance might be the best Bison QB by the time he graduates. As a Freshmen, he's rushed for over 600 yards for 9 TD's and 138-196, 23 tds and 0 INT's, 196.6 rating.kalm wrote:
I think they’d both crack the top 20 in Big Sky History and maybe the top 5 in EWU history for their position.
And neither one of them is the greatest QB in the history of FCS either.Gil Dobie wrote:NDSU has 2 QB's that won more titles and more games.UNI88 wrote: Wentz is not the best QB in the history of FCS.
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How would you rank the best?UNI88 wrote:And neither one of them is the greatest QB in the history of FCS either.Gil Dobie wrote:
NDSU has 2 QB's that won more titles and more games.
I would probably use impact on FCS. I think Tracy Ham is the greatest QB in the history of I-AA/FCS. What he led Georgia Southern to accomplish in such a short time was incredible.Gil Dobie wrote:How would you rank the best?UNI88 wrote:
And neither one of them is the greatest QB in the history of FCS either.
NFL career? Statistics? Championships?
FYP89Hen wrote:If you go by Super Bowl wins only, the list is pretty short. Warner and Flacco
Second tier: Gannon, Romo, McNair
TBD: Wentz, Garoppolo
NFL career is part SB wins, part MVP, part longevity... I think my list was pretty accurate. I'd probably give a slight edge to Warner, but IMO those two separated themselves from the others.UNI88 wrote:FYP89Hen wrote:If you go by Super Bowl wins only, the list is pretty short. Warner and Flacco
Second tier: Gannon, Romo, McNair
TBD: Wentz, Garoppolo
I like Gannon and McNair more than Flacco but we've had this debate before.89Hen wrote:NFL career is part SB wins, part MVP, part longevity... I think my list was pretty accurate. I'd probably give a slight edge to Warner, but IMO those two separated themselves from the others.UNI88 wrote:
FYP
Gannon's regular season career numbers are actually pretty close to Warner, but didn't have the SB wins or playoff starts.
