Trump Tariffs = Tax Hike on all

[Chizzang]

So they agreed to agree to try and not escalate the tariff war any further, and maybe back off some of the newly imposed tariffs.

Just like Trump's other deals - worthless "solving" of crisises he created in first place, with no gain, and probably a loss for the US.


And the Trumplickers lap it up.

Now Jon...
This might be the only kind of situation where Trump is actually "The perfect president"
You'll have plenty more opportunities to berate and belittle just stand by

However, this one is absolutely what he was made for...
It requires pomp and grand standing and bluster and that happens to be the only thing he's got



Give the man his credit here... he did right by America

[AZGrizFan]

So they agreed to agree to try and not escalate the tariff war any further, and maybe back off some of the newly imposed tariffs.

Just like Trump's other deals - worthless "solving" of crisises he created in first place, with no gain, and probably a loss for the US.


And the Trumplickers lap it up.

Now Jon...
This might be the only kind of situation where Trump is actually "The perfect president"
You'll have plenty more opportunities to berate and belittle just stand by

However, this one is absolutely what he was made for...
It requires pomp and grand standing and bluster and that happens to be the only thing he's got



Give the man his credit here... he did right by America

like THAT would ever happen...

[SeattleGriz]

Now Jon...
This might be the only kind of situation where Trump is actually "The perfect president"
You'll have plenty more opportunities to berate and belittle just stand by

However, this one is absolutely what he was made for...
It requires pomp and grand standing and bluster and that happens to be the only thing he's got



Give the man his credit here... he did right by America

like THAT would ever happen...

Exactly. I'm still reaping all the benefits Obama negotiated for us. He was awesome like that.

[CID1990]

So they agreed to agree to try and not escalate the tariff war any further, and maybe back off some of the newly imposed tariffs.

Just like Trump's other deals - worthless "solving" of crisises he created in first place, with no gain, and probably a loss for the US.


And the Trumplickers lap it up.

Our problems with trade have been decades in the making, Jon- and they certainly were not created by him

and they ARE a problem .... and clitz is correct in saying that no career politician would ever touch it with a 100 foot pole. Which means it might well be the only thing Trump is suited for


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[kalm]

Smoot-Hawley, Hawley-Smoot...

Where’s Ganny when you need him?

[Ivytalk]

Smoot-Hawley, Hawley-Smoot...

Where’s Ganny when you need him?

As Scarecrow would say, people do go both ways.

But Ganny will give the complete Politico-historical exegesis...

[houndawg]

Drive the price up too far and they'll park a factory off the coast of Maine.

Who? The Chinese? In the north atlantic? LMAO!

Yep. They'll catch all the lobstahs, process them right there, and sell them to you.

[houndawg]

I don't understand. I feel like some of you are under the assumption that trade is some zero-sum game?

Having a deficit doesn't mean we're losing money.

There are two things at play here: trade imbalances and tariffs. Tariffs help cause imbalances. Imbalances reduce one party's competitiveness. Our higher wage structure is already a drag on our competitiveness. We don't need to fight tariffs too.

Actually there are a few other things involved in this action. The trade organizations have lost all ability to crack down on rulebreakers. Also, intellectual property being stolen is another issue.

Trump is a lot of things. Many of them negative. But him shining light on the trade issues is absolutely needed and the timing is right. Give him credit for taking this on, as well as other imbalances such as NATO, Paris Climate Accord, and SALT deductions.

Fair enough.





Maybe the judge will take it into consideration at the sentencing.

[CAA Flagship]

There are two things at play here: trade imbalances and tariffs. Tariffs help cause imbalances. Imbalances reduce one party's competitiveness. Our higher wage structure is already a drag on our competitiveness. We don't need to fight tariffs too.

Actually there are a few other things involved in this action. The trade organizations have lost all ability to crack down on rulebreakers. Also, intellectual property being stolen is another issue.

Trump is a lot of things. Many of them negative. But him shining light on the trade issues is absolutely needed and the timing is right. Give him credit for taking this on, as well as other imbalances such as NATO, Paris Climate Accord, and SALT deductions.

Fair enough.





Maybe the judge will take it into consideration at the sentencing.

[Chizzang]

[Ivytalk]

So, are you arguing that if Xi Jinping’s portfolio takes enough of a hit, then the Red Chunks will cry Uncle?

[AZGrizFan]

But WTF does Trump know? EU Commission statement today:

We met today in Washington, D.C. to launch a new phase in the relationship between the United States and the European Union – a phase of close friendship, of strong trade relations in which both of us will win, of working better together for global security and prosperity, and of fighting jointly against terrorism.

The United States and the European Union together count more than 830 million citizens and more than 50 percent of global GDP. If we team up, we can make our planet a better, more secure, and more prosperous place.

Already today, the United States and the European Union have a $1 trillion bilateral trade relationship – the largest economic relationship in the world. We want to further strengthen this trade relationship to the benefit of all American and European citizens.

This is why we agreed today, first of all, to work together toward zero tariffs, zero non-tariff barriers, and zero subsidies on non-auto industrial goods. We will also work to reduce barriers and increase trade in services, chemicals, pharmaceuticals, medical products, as well as soybeans.

This will open markets for farmers and workers, increase investment, and lead to greater prosperity in both the United States and the European Union. It will also make trade fairer and more reciprocal.

Secondly, we agreed today to strengthen our strategic cooperation with respect to energy. The European Union wants to import more liquefied natural gas (LNG) from the United States to diversify its energy supply.

Thirdly, we agreed today to launch a close dialogue on standards in order to ease trade, reduce bureaucratic obstacles, and slash costs.

Fourthly, we agreed today to join forces to protect American and European companies better from unfair global trade practices. We will therefore work closely together with like-minded partners to reform the WTO and to address unfair trading practices, including intellectual property theft, forced technology transfer, industrial subsidies, distortions created by state owned enterprises, and overcapacity.

We decided to set up immediately an Executive Working Group of our closest advisors to carry this joint agenda forward. In addition, it will identify short-term measures to facilitate commercial exchanges and assess existing tariff measures. While we are working on this, we will not go against the spirit of this agreement, unless either party terminates the negotiations.

We also want to resolve the steel and aluminum tariff issues and retaliatory tariffs.

[dbackjon]

So they agreed to agree to try and not escalate the tariff war any further, and maybe back off some of the newly imposed tariffs.

Just like Trump's other deals - worthless "solving" of crisises he created in first place, with no gain, and probably a loss for the US.


And the Trumplickers lap it up.

Now Jon...
This might be the only kind of situation where Trump is actually "The perfect president"
You'll have plenty more opportunities to berate and belittle just stand by

However, this one is absolutely what he was made for...
It requires pomp and grand standing and bluster and that happens to be the only thing he's got



Give the man his credit here... he did right by America

How has he done right by America? Create a crisis, then pretend to work on? Meanwhile lining his own pocket?

Trump has done ZERO right by America.

[Pwns]

I mean, I guess you could make the argument that Trump is being reckless and that it's not worthwhile, but you can't say he's putting out the fire he started. The EU are the ones making concessions here.

[AZGrizFan]

I mean, I guess you could make the argument that Trump is being reckless and that it's not worthwhile, but you can't say he's putting out the fire he started. The EU are the ones making concessions here.

He's doing EXACTLY what no career politician would EVER do. They're too worried about staying in power. It's why we (as a country) end up bending over and taking it up the poop chute every time we turn around.

[Chizzang]

I mean, I guess you could make the argument that Trump is being reckless and that it's not worthwhile, but you can't say he's putting out the fire he started. The EU are the ones making concessions here.

He's doing EXACTLY what no career politician would EVER do

^ This is true...

[CAA Flagship]

Now Jon...
This might be the only kind of situation where Trump is actually "The perfect president"
You'll have plenty more opportunities to berate and belittle just stand by

However, this one is absolutely what he was made for...
It requires pomp and grand standing and bluster and that happens to be the only thing he's got



Give the man his credit here... he did right by America

How has he done right by America? Create a crisis, then pretend to work on? Meanwhile lining his own pocket?

Trump has done ZERO right by America.

[Ivytalk]

How has he done right by America? Create a crisis, then pretend to work on? Meanwhile lining his own pocket?

Trump has done ZERO right by America.

This Midol Moment has been brought to you by dbackjon.

[Chizzang]

How has he done right by America? Create a crisis, then pretend to work on? Meanwhile lining his own pocket?

Trump has done ZERO right by America.

Jon,
The ability to see past our personal distaste for someone (and I have a strong distaste for Trump)
and simply examine the situation at hand - without combining other issues and other non related topics
is critical to building credibility and personal accountability

Stick to the point of the issue and judge it for what it is...
Otherwise you sound like all the folks on here that immediately type Hillary after every negative trump point
Hell you sound like Trump himself always distracting from the key issues

You'll only need wait a few days and Trump will do something stupid again
but in the meantime our buffoon president did a great job on this specific issue

[AZGrizFan]

You'll only need wait a few days and Trump will do something stupid again
but in the meantime our buffoon president did a great job on this specific issue

[JohnStOnge]

I think I see a pattern developing. Foreign leaders meet with Trump and give him grand generalizations without really committing to anything. Then they ave a press conference and act like something really happened. I think it looks like foreign leaders have pretty quickly figured out how to play Trump. If you put him in position where he's able to flim flam and act like he accomplished something when he didn't you're good. Not that I'm surprised by that.

[CID1990]

I think I see a pattern developing. Foreign leaders meet with Trump and give him grand generalizations without really committing to anything. Then they ave a press conference and act like something really happened. I think it looks like foreign leaders have pretty quickly figured out how to play Trump. If you put him in position where he's able to flim flam and act like he accomplished something when he didn't you're good. Not that I'm surprised by that.

Well John - this will all be easily verifiable

they can't say they made trade concessions without actually doing it

and we actually are levying tariffs, so there's that

One way or the other, we will see the tangible results of Trump's actions (good or bad) in this trade war

and if they're good the flim flam will be you and Jon spinning it as a negative


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[Skjellyfetti]

It's cool to see that the libertarians among us suddenly embracing tariffs.

The evolution of the modern Conk from neoconservative (2000 - 2008) -> libertarian (2008 - 2016) -> Trumpist (2016 - ?) is quite dramatic.

[Ivytalk]

It's cool to see that the libertarians among us suddenly embracing tariffs.

The evolution of the modern Conk from neoconservative (2000 - 2008) -> libertarian (2008 - 2016) -> Trumpist (2016 - ?) is quite dramatic.

You’re talking out of your ass. Justin Amash backs tariffs? Rand Paul backs tariffs?Reason board of editors backs tariffs?

[CID1990]

It's cool to see that the libertarians among us suddenly embracing tariffs.

The evolution of the modern Conk from neoconservative (2000 - 2008) -> libertarian (2008 - 2016) -> Trumpist (2016 - ?) is quite dramatic.

Once again, reductio ad absurdum from the board's resident employer of fallacious logic

our trade deficits are the result of unfair tariffs imposed on American goods by "allies" and adversaries alike

I do believe Trump has stated himself that the object of all this is NO tariffs (not possible, but we can lower them)

No tariff is a libertarian trade goal

You really should think about things carefully first


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk