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Ibanez wrote: Is it really wrong him to not stand up during a song? He's allowed to peacefully protest. What's wrong with that?
It's not "a song".
It's an anthem. A song. What you mean to say is, " It isn't just any song."
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Ibanez wrote:
89Hen wrote: It's not "a song".
It's an anthem. A song. What you mean to say is, " It isn't just any song."
That's what I did say. You obviously got it.
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Bisonfanatical wrote:Ibanez ... this is about someone not standing up for a song "in support of" a movement that is helping to facilitate the murder of innocent cops.

It is that simple my friend.

As for the junior high school style trash talking points from you ... what ever makes you smile.

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How many cops have been killed lately in response to black men being killed? Aside from Dallas, I can't think of one.

Again..this is the internet and it's CS.com. Trash talking is expected.
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89Hen wrote:
Ibanez wrote: It's an anthem. A song. What you mean to say is, " It isn't just any song."
That's what I did say. You obviously got it.
I'm just being a prick. 8-)


Still, it's a song. It has meaning and is a source of national pride. I get that. I stand when it's played. But i'm not about to demonize a man exercising his right to protest and speak out against what he see's as an injustice. I may not like it.
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Ibanez wrote:
Bisonfanatical wrote:Ibanez ... this is about someone not standing up for a song "in support of" a movement that is helping to facilitate the murder of innocent cops.

It is that simple my friend.

As for the junior high school style trash talking points from you ... what ever makes you smile.

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How many cops have been killed lately in response to black men being killed? Aside from Dallas, I can't think of one.

Again..this is the internet and it's CS.com. Trash talking is expected.
This. I'm no fan of BLM and the rioting is hysterically ironic but where's the link to organization's violent intent?

Also...it's a song.
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Ibanez wrote:Still, it's a song. It has meaning and is a source of national pride. I get that. I stand when it's played. But i'm not about to demonize a man exercising his right to protest and speak out against what he see's as an injustice. I may not like it.
Demonize is a pretty strong word. I just said he was wrong. The same as I'd say if somebody burned a US flag. It's an intentionally disrespectful act to further your agenda. It's 100% his right.
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kalm wrote:Also...it's a song.
It is. And this is a flag.

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89Hen wrote:
Ibanez wrote:Still, it's a song. It has meaning and is a source of national pride. I get that. I stand when it's played. But i'm not about to demonize a man exercising his right to protest and speak out against what he see's as an injustice. I may not like it.
Demonize is a pretty strong word. I just said he was wrong. The same as I'd say if somebody burned a US flag. It's an intentionally disrespectful act to further your agenda. It's 100% his right.
I wasn't talking about you in particular, sorry if it came out that way.
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89Hen wrote:
kalm wrote:Also...it's a song.
It is. And this is a flag.

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Ibanez wrote:
Bisonfanatical wrote:Ibanez ... this is about someone not standing up for a song "in support of" a movement that is helping to facilitate the murder of innocent cops.

It is that simple my friend.

As for the junior high school style trash talking points from you ... what ever makes you smile.

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How many cops have been killed lately in response to black men being killed? Aside from Dallas, I can't think of one.

Again..this is the internet and it's CS.com. Trash talking is expected.
Most of these "black men" are people who are usually known to the police as repeat offenders, not innocent victims.

This is a movement "against" the American police force ... period.

Black stuff matters is a movement with a political agenda, puppets of nameless, faceless promoters.

Whenever you have large groups of people that show up for these events with no job that they are worried about losing, no worries about starving, no families to worry about supporting, you know it is a paid "farce", a politically and racially motivated agenda.

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Bisonfanatical wrote:
Ibanez wrote: How many cops have been killed lately in response to black men being killed? Aside from Dallas, I can't think of one.

Again..this is the internet and it's CS.com. Trash talking is expected.
Most of these "black men" are people who are usually known to the police as repeat offenders, not innocent victims.

This is a movement "against" the American police force ... period.

Black stuff matters is a movement with a political agenda, puppets of nameless, faceless promoters.

Whenever you have large groups of people that show up for these events with no job that they are worried about losing, no worries about starving, no families to worry about supporting, you know it is a paid "farce", a politically and racially motivated agenda.

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I've got no problem with your interpretation of BLM. Read what Klambake up there said about BLM, and that's pretty much how I feel.

It's incredible how different communities respond. I was living in Charleston when Dylan Roof killed a group of blacks and when Walter Scott was killed (straight up murder). There weren't any riots. There was an outpouring of love from the community. The exact opposite has happened here (Charlotte) as you all have seen.

Some people just want to watch the world burn. Some people will take advantage of a situation and will "loot" in the name of grief or oppression.
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Ibanez wrote:
89Hen wrote: Demonize is a pretty strong word. I just said he was wrong. The same as I'd say if somebody burned a US flag. It's an intentionally disrespectful act to further your agenda. It's 100% his right.
I wasn't talking about you in particular, sorry if it came out that way.
NP. There are people demonizing him and that's their right, even if it's wrong. :kisswink:
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89Hen wrote:
Ibanez wrote: I wasn't talking about you in particular, sorry if it came out that way.
NP. There are people demonizing him and that's their right, even if it's wrong. :kisswink:
Which is the strongest irony of the entire event...

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89Hen wrote: NP. There are people demonizing him and that's their right, even if it's wrong. :kisswink:
Which is the strongest irony of the entire event...

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kalm wrote:
Ibanez wrote: How many cops have been killed lately in response to black men being killed? Aside from Dallas, I can't think of one.

Again..this is the internet and it's CS.com. Trash talking is expected.
This. I'm no fan of BLM and the rioting is hysterically ironic but where's the link to organization's violent intent?

Also...it's a song.
Granted, but here is am example,

They say Islam is a religion of peace even though it was built with a bloody sword by muhammed and his friends, it is "radicals" only they say, Even though the main stream group does not speak against it nor stand against it, and beliefs the same message and reads the same koran. If you leave it, you die.

The same thing with black stuff matters, the shooters make the same claims against the police as the group does, you don't see a will to shut down the demonstrations nor crack down on likely shooters before the fact by the people in power. People with intentions that are suspect support the movement, and if they comment on the shootings of police officers at all it is usually followed by the word "but" i.e. they shouldn't do that "but" blah blah.

This isn't a court of law and I will form my opinions on the things that I can see and not the things that the media has to say.

It isn't about standing for a song but it is about a politically and racially motivated movement that doesn't try to condemn the shooters as the mentally deranged pre-meditated murders of innocent people that they are, and the people of fame who use whatever marginal influence they have to attempt to bring credibility to this nonsense. We do not need to reform every police department across the country.

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Ibanez wrote:
Bisonfanatical wrote: Most of these "black men" are people who are usually known to the police as repeat offenders, not innocent victims.

This is a movement "against" the American police force ... period.

Black stuff matters is a movement with a political agenda, puppets of nameless, faceless promoters.

Whenever you have large groups of people that show up for these events with no job that they are worried about losing, no worries about starving, no families to worry about supporting, you know it is a paid "farce", a politically and racially motivated agenda.

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I've got no problem with your interpretation of BLM. Read what Klambake up there said about BLM, and that's pretty much how I feel.

It's incredible how different communities respond. I was living in Charleston when Dylan Roof killed a group of blacks and when Walter Scott was killed (straight up murder). There weren't any riots. There was an outpouring of love from the community. The exact opposite has happened here (Charlotte) as you all have seen.

Some people just want to watch the world burn. Some people will take advantage of a situation and will "loot" in the name of grief or oppression.
I agree with that

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I said it earlier and I'll say it again, it's poor marketing.
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Ibanez wrote:
89Hen wrote: It is. And this is a flag.

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I had a marine uncle that was there when that flag was raised. Pretty sure Colin Kraperdickless wouldn't know much about what it would mean to accomplish something like those folks did. :coffee:
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CAA Flagship wrote:I said it earlier and I'll say it again, it's poor marketing.
And yet here you still are...a month later and 13 pages in... :rofl:

I'm sure if he had held a press conference and said we should all respectfully object to what's happening we'd still be discussing it.
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kalm wrote:
CAA Flagship wrote:I said it earlier and I'll say it again, it's poor marketing.
And yet here you still are...a month later and 13 pages in... :rofl:

I'm sure if he had held a press conference and said we should all respectfully object to what's happening we'd still be discussing it.
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He's speaking to me and you. I haven't done anything for the cause. Have you done anything?
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CAA Flagship wrote:
kalm wrote:
And yet here you still are...a month later and 13 pages in... :rofl:

I'm sure if he had held a press conference and said we should all respectfully object to what's happening we'd still be discussing it.
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He's speaking to me and you. I haven't done anything for the cause. Have you done anything?
Fuck no. But then I recognize the world extends beyond just me... :)
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Radio station drops ECU game following anthem protest by band members
A North Carolina radio station will not air East Carolina's football game Saturday following last weekend's protest staged by members of the Pirates' marching band.

WFAY-AM in Fayetteville, North Carolina, announced Tuesday that it would not carry the Pirates' game at South Florida. The move comes after approximately a dozen ECU band members kneeled during the anthem before the game against Central Florida to protest racial injustice and police brutality.

Band officials issued an apology Monday.
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CAA Flagship wrote:Radio station drops ECU game following anthem protest by band members
A North Carolina radio station will not air East Carolina's football game Saturday following last weekend's protest staged by members of the Pirates' marching band.

WFAY-AM in Fayetteville, North Carolina, announced Tuesday that it would not carry the Pirates' game at South Florida. The move comes after approximately a dozen ECU band members kneeled during the anthem before the game against Central Florida to protest racial injustice and police brutality.

Band officials issued an apology Monday.
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Chizzang wrote:
89Hen wrote: NP. There are people demonizing him and that's their right, even if it's wrong. :kisswink:
Which is the strongest irony of the entire event...

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When is is wrong for people to demonize others? :suspicious:

That is their right to free speech, so how is it wrong?
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Bisonfanatical wrote:
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All this PC bullcrap and then people lose their minds over Kapernick expressing his freedoms. For all the anit PC that conservatives have been talking, they sure lost their minds over this one. Do I agree with what he is doing? No. But he as the right to do it. Sure people have the to trash him. But those that call him unamerican or that he should leave the country or anything like that are the true people that hate freedom. What he is doing is very American.

As others have said, it's funny that everyone told blacks to protest peacefully when they rioted after police shootings. Kapernick does just that and people really lose their minds.

The NFL will need to put trigger warnings up before games reminding viewers that some players may be protesting in a manner that they do agree with.
Let me get this straight,

1: black stuff matters protests in the streets over a few innocent (?)blacks being killed (possible manslaughter at most?), some of the more radical black stuff matters people intentionally "shoot to kill" innocent policemen (definately first degree murder).

2: kapernick identifies with and declares alliance to the black stuff matters folk who are intentional murders and/or accomplices after the fact, and publicly condemns tens of thousands of innocent police officers who are true victims of this travisty.

And we have come to believe that this nonsense is protected in the Constitution that was set up to preserve protect and defend "we the American people" of the "United States of America"?

I am neither a right winger nor a lefty, but this thought just makes my head spin.

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