The Ukraine Crisis

[SeattleGriz]

Why are Russians killing ethnic Russians living on the E Ukrainian border? You guys really never stopped to think about what you're believing, did you?

This is just like believing the Russians are getting their asses handed to them even though this has primarily been an artillery war.

Dude, you're a fraud at this point. Maybe they're not killing ethnic Russian civilians (although there's plenty of evidence of that) but they are killing ethnic Ukrainian citizens who also happen to live in those areas. At this point you are a bot and a fraud. The question is why would you want to be those things?

That's quite some back down. Simple question as to why Russia would kill Russians seemed to have cut your assessment in half.

They've been in an all out war since February, and have destroyed anything or anyone in their path - soldiers, civilians, military equipment, towns, cities, etc. They've massacred civilians, they've forcibly removed whole populations, a lot into Russia itself, they've recklessly fired into population centers knowing there would be collateral damage.

I've simply have seen the writing on the wall from the beginning.

[SeattleGriz]

Why are Russians killing ethnic Russians living on the E Ukrainian border? You guys really never stopped to think about what you're believing, did you?

This is just like believing the Russians are getting their asses handed to them even though this has primarily been an artillery war.

This is so idiotic that you have to be trolling.

I see you and GF are Zoom calling to get your answers straight. Journo list!

[Skjellyfetti]

"ethnic Russian" is some bullshit. They're both eastern Slavs. Russian isn't a different ethnicity from Ukrainian.

It's a different (though, closely related) language... and, that is probably what you mean. But, even that is murky. Most Ukrainians speak Russian. There are areas where Russian is the primary language. But, that is also murky... as Zelensky is from a Russian speaking area (so, he is "ethnic Russian"??). Kharkiv is a Russian speaking area... but, not annexed... and, some of the fiercest resistance to Russia's occupation was in Kharkiv.

Pretty sure when Seattle and other vatniks say "ethnic Russian" they just mean quislings.

[Silenoz]

The two shills still defending the baby rapists? Yes?

Keep dying on that hill! "bUChA wAs a FaLsE FlAg" "eVeRytHiNG iN KhErSoN is fInE."

[kalm]

Dude, you're a fraud at this point. Maybe they're not killing ethnic Russian civilians (although there's plenty of evidence of that) but they are killing ethnic Ukrainian citizens who also happen to live in those areas. At this point you are a bot and a fraud. The question is why would you want to be those things?

That's quite some back down. Simple question as to why Russia would kill Russians seemed to have cut your assessment in half.

They've been in an all out war since February, and have destroyed anything or anyone in their path - soldiers, civilians, military equipment, towns, cities, etc. They've massacred civilians, they've forcibly removed whole populations, a lot into Russia itself, they've recklessly fired into population centers knowing there would be collateral damage.

I've simply have seen the writing on the wall from the beginning.

[GannonFan]

That's quite some back down. Simple question as to why Russia would kill Russians seemed to have cut your assessment in half.



I've simply have seen the writing on the wall from the beginning.

I'm sure they're just bombing the 1.3% who are actually Nazi's and have been trying through evil means to keep that region from joining Mother Russia. I'm sure the Russians are ruthlessly meticulous like that.

[Skjellyfetti]

That's quite some back down. Simple question as to why Russia would kill Russians seemed to have cut your assessment in half.



I've simply have seen the writing on the wall from the beginning.

The nice thing about incendiary munitions is they are very precise in only taking out Nazis and military targets. No harm done to any non-Nazi civilian targets when such precision is used in recently annexed "ethnic Russian" territory.

[houndawg]

Dude, you're a fraud at this point. Maybe they're not killing ethnic Russian civilians (although there's plenty of evidence of that) but they are killing ethnic Ukrainian citizens who also happen to live in those areas. At this point you are a bot and a fraud. The question is why would you want to be those things?

I believe that SG is pimping Putin's lie that Ukrainian statehood is a fiction and that Ukraine is a part of Russia. Thus, there are no Ukrainians, only Russians. Putin's lie ignores history and reality.

...and Poland sabotaged the pipeline.....I think he's some sort of wackadoodle evangelical - they're the only ones I've heard talking that nonsense and they will swallow about anything an approved source tells them

[∞∞∞]

The bizarre hills people decide to die on, sometimes literally...

Even if I want to ignore the news and every international organization and every Western country, I've got a Ukrainian friend and another friend who is an Ambassador for Moldova (not the US Ambassador) both confirming the stuff Russia is doing from their friends and family who live there.

But I'm supposed to believe random SG dude on a college football forum because he has "trustworthy", unnamed sources.

[SeattleGriz]

The two shills still defending the baby rapists? Yes?

Keep dying on that hill! "bUChA wAs a FaLsE FlAg" "eVeRytHiNG iN KhErSoN is fInE."

Nice razzing!

[SeattleGriz]

I believe that SG is pimping Putin's lie that Ukrainian statehood is a fiction and that Ukraine is a part of Russia. Thus, there are no Ukrainians, only Russians. Putin's lie ignores history and reality.

...and Poland sabotaged the pipeline.....I think he's some sort of wackadoodle evangelical - they're the only ones I've heard talking that nonseznse and they will swallow about anything an approved source tells them

[SeattleGriz]

I'm sure they're just bombing the 1.3% who are actually Nazi's and have been trying through evil means to keep that region from joining Mother Russia. I'm sure the Russians are ruthlessly meticulous like that.

You didn't bother to keep reading. Same guy admits civilians aren't really the target. He actually has no idea who is launching what.

Nice source

[GannonFan]

I'm sure they're just bombing the 1.3% who are actually Nazi's and have been trying through evil means to keep that region from joining Mother Russia. I'm sure the Russians are ruthlessly meticulous like that.

You didn't bother to keep reading. Same guy admits civilians aren't really the target. He actually has no idea who is launching what.

Nice source

You're a fraud. I don't think you get to make any determinations over what is a good source any more. You've been flooding this thread with direct Russian propaganda for 8 months.

Russia is invading Ukraine. For no reason other than because they want to. And thousands of innocents, if not more, have died as a result. Nothing changes that.

[kalm]

[kalm]

I'm sure they're just bombing the 1.3% who are actually Nazi's and have been trying through evil means to keep that region from joining Mother Russia. I'm sure the Russians are ruthlessly meticulous like that.

You didn't bother to keep reading. Same guy admits civilians aren't really the target. He actually has no idea who is launching what.

Nice source

He did? In Zaporhizia? Where?

[GannonFan]

Well, people who's very lives are in play will likely do anything to save their lives. People like Musk who's lives aren't on the line aren't so inclined. Other than what my government is spending on my behalf to help arm Ukraine, I doubt most individual Americans would be emptying their pockets to do the same. I'm sure if the roles were reversed and America was fighting for it's very survival that average Americans would be buying whatever they could to resist the invaders and that eccentric rich Ukrainians would look to have their costs covered.

[UNI88]

And Elizabeth Warren wants Musk, Bezos, etc. to pick up the tab for the things she wants.

[GannonFan]

And Elizabeth Warren wants Musk, Bezos, etc. to pick up the tab for the things she wants.

I'm pretty sure we paid the business and factories that made all the planes and tanks and military equipment during WWII - not sure that was all done via patriotic pro bono.

[kalm]

And Elizabeth Warren wants Musk, Bezos, etc. to pick up the tab for the things she wants.

I'm pretty sure we paid the business and factories that made all the planes and tanks and military equipment during WWII - not sure that was all done via patriotic pro bono.

Yes! It would be like the head of GM suggesting we negotiate with Hitler and consider giving Poland to Germany, being told to fuck off by the polish ambassador, and….

Exactly like that.

[GannonFan]

I'm pretty sure we paid the business and factories that made all the planes and tanks and military equipment during WWII - not sure that was all done via patriotic pro bono.

Yes! It would be like the head of GM suggesting we negotiate with Hitler and consider giving Poland to Germany, being told to fuck off by the polish ambassador, and….

Exactly like that.

I really don't give a crap what Musk's geopolitical views are. He's not an elected official, he doesn't represent me or the United States, and other than selling access to that Starlink thing he has no other involvement in Russia's war against Ukraine. He's a military contractor in this regard. As long as he's providing a service, and we pay him for that service based on whatever contract was agreed to, then so ends the transaction. Do you think because he has crappy geopolitical views that he shouldn't be paid for the service he's providing?

[Skjellyfetti]

[SDHornet]

Agreed. The outcry from the "retaliatory" missile strikes is equally absurd.

Of course it's absurd. Russia has been waging war on Ukraine and striking military and non-military targets for 8 months now, to say nothing of the various war crimes they've committed to the civilian population in the areas they controlled and still control militarily. This is what war by an aggressive, attacking nation looks like. What Russia has done in the last 24 hours is really tame compared to their other unprovoked aggressions.

Ukraine was shelling the Donbas before this invasion even happened (they're still shelling residential areas btw). Ignoring that aspect of this conflict is a rather biased outlook in the ongoings in this blood feud.

[SDHornet]

Truck bomb took it out. I think the goal was for it to blow over the arches as that is what the pre-made stamps were depicting. If the arches would have been blown, the bridge would have been down for a lot more than the half a day that it was.



Unfortunately Russia responded with widespread drone and missle strikes targeting a playground, bridge, and vital civilian infrastructure (power and water). Looking like things are going to get even uglier with Surovikin in charge.

FYP

Yep. The drone/missile strikes are no different that what the US did prior to pretty much any of our invasions. Remember "Shock and Awe" before we rolled tanks into Iraq in 2003? You think we only targeted military assets for all those weeks leading up to when boots hit the ground? The idea of NATO/US folks being outraged by these new aerial attacks targeting vital infrastructure is rather comical. The selective outrage is quite telling.

[SDHornet]

This has been classified as a Special Operation up to this point. That means Russia has been limiting what they did, to trying to destroy only machinery and soldiers. They even limited troop numbers and skill sets.

Well, changing the status now means Russia will have more troops and more capabilities at their disposal.

Again, stop it, you're embarrassing yourself (but then again, you've been parroting official Russian propaganda as if it's factual for about 8 months now so you're probably immune to embarrassment or you're really that dense). They've been in an all out war since February, and have destroyed anything or anyone in their path - soldiers, civilians, military equipment, towns, cities, etc. They've massacred civilians, they've forcibly removed whole populations, a lot into Russia itself, they've recklessly fired into population centers knowing there would be collateral damage. And they've done all of this in another country's sovereign territory, without their permission, with the intention of taking territory forcibly and without cause. That's war. Stop being obtuse.

Agreed, an invasion is an invasion, but supposedly there were limitations on what troops could be sent and where based on the legalese that Putin was using. Once the annexations went through, there were more options (from a legal standpoint) on the table for Russia. I agree with you that I don't think it matters as its just semantics, but the Russian mobilization didn't happen until these new territories were being brought into the fold as there were limits as to where the conscripts could be sent.

[SDHornet]

Yes! It would be like the head of GM suggesting we negotiate with Hitler and consider giving Poland to Germany, being told to fuck off by the polish ambassador, and….

Exactly like that.

I really don't give a crap what Musk's geopolitical views are. He's not an elected official, he doesn't represent me or the United States, and other than selling access to that Starlink thing he has no other involvement in Russia's war against Ukraine. He's a military contractor in this regard. As long as he's providing a service, and we pay him for that service based on whatever contract was agreed to, then so ends the transaction. Do you think because he has crappy geopolitical views that he shouldn't be paid for the service he's providing?