Wheres the Republican alternative to ACA?

[Ibanez]

Here are the group of 13 Republicans who will work to build the Senate's bill:

Members of Senate leadership
Majority Leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky
Sen. John Cornyn of Texas
Sen. John Thune of South Dakota
Sen. John Barrasso of Wyoming

Committee chairmen
HELP Chairman Lamar Alexander of Tennessee
Budget Chairman Mike Enzi of Wyoming
Finance Chairman Orrin Hatch of Utah

Conservatives
Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas
Sen. Mike Lee of Utah
Sen. Tom Cotton of Arkansas

Moderate-leaning
Sen. Cory Gardner of Colorado
Sen. Rob Portman of Ohio
Sen. Pat Toomey of Pennsylvania

Hmmmm...no women. No blacks. No minorities.

[CAA Flagship]

Quien es mas macho? Dbackjon...o Ricardo Montalban?

Los dos ellos mas macho que tu... y Tattoo también...

[Ivytalk]

Well, i do not consider health care a right. If I had my way there would never have been an effort to try to guarantee health care just like if I had my way there would never have been an effort to try to guarantee things like enough to eat or housing.

Label me as you wish. But whatever I am I have historically voted for what most would consider to be the more conservative of the two major party candidates in Presidential elections. Reagan twice. Bush the Elder. Dole. Bush the Younger twice. McCain. Romney.

I had, until 2016, also always voted for the Republican in every US House Race, every US Senate Race, every State House Race, and every State Senate Race. Every Louisiana Gubernatorial race.

But what's been going on with the Republican Party and/or the conservative movement over the past two years is just beyond the pale. Yes, I know they've been dishonest in the past. But it's just gotten totally out of hand now.

And it's extremely disappointing.

You may not consider it a right, but outside of what are considered to be the "natural rights" of The Enlightenment, a "right" is whatever a society decides it is.

Access to a free and appropriate public education is not what would be considered a natural right, but it has long been considered a right by Americans. It is because we say it is. If we say health coverage is a right, then it will be so.


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There's room for debate on what natural rights are, but we can all agree that Natural Light sucks.

Except maybe AZ.

[AZGrizFan]

You may not consider it a right, but outside of what are considered to be the "natural rights" of The Enlightenment, a "right" is whatever a society decides it is.

Access to a free and appropriate public education is not what would be considered a natural right, but it has long been considered a right by Americans. It is because we say it is. If we say health coverage is a right, then it will be so.


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There's room for debate on what natural rights are, but we can all agree that Natural Light sucks.

Except maybe AZ.

You don't even KNOW me any more.

[AZGrizFan]

Here are the group of 13 Republicans who will work to build the Senate's bill:

Members of Senate leadership
Majority Leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky
Sen. John Cornyn of Texas
Sen. John Thune of South Dakota
Sen. John Barrasso of Wyoming

Committee chairmen
HELP Chairman Lamar Alexander of Tennessee
Budget Chairman Mike Enzi of Wyoming
Finance Chairman Orrin Hatch of Utah

Conservatives
Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas
Sen. Mike Lee of Utah
Sen. Tom Cotton of Arkansas

Moderate-leaning
Sen. Cory Gardner of Colorado
Sen. Rob Portman of Ohio
Sen. Pat Toomey of Pennsylvania

Hmmmm...no women. No blacks. No minorities.

Who are you, my fucking niece? She's all up in arms and about to protest over this list....

You know, snowflake, protesting every time you don't get your way isn't very productive.

[Ivytalk]

There's room for debate on what natural rights are, but we can all agree that Natural Light sucks.

Except maybe AZ.

You don't even KNOW me any more.

Works every time!

I know... You're a Bud Light kind of guy. The Most Interesting Man in the World.

[Ibanez]

Here are the group of 13 Republicans who will work to build the Senate's bill:

Members of Senate leadership
Majority Leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky
Sen. John Cornyn of Texas
Sen. John Thune of South Dakota
Sen. John Barrasso of Wyoming

Committee chairmen
HELP Chairman Lamar Alexander of Tennessee
Budget Chairman Mike Enzi of Wyoming
Finance Chairman Orrin Hatch of Utah

Conservatives
Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas
Sen. Mike Lee of Utah
Sen. Tom Cotton of Arkansas

Moderate-leaning
Sen. Cory Gardner of Colorado
Sen. Rob Portman of Ohio
Sen. Pat Toomey of Pennsylvania

Hmmmm...no women. No blacks. No minorities.

Who are you, my fucking niece? She's all up in arms and about to protest over this list....

You know, snowflake, protesting every time you don't get your way isn't very productive.

Who said i'm protesting b/c I didn't get my way? You seem triggered, Thomas. If this was a list of women or black men, you'd have a problem with it. Hell, if it was a list of Democrats, you'd have a problem. Is it not reasonable to have men, women, blacks, whites, etc... people indicative our of society involved?

[GannonFan]

Is it not reasonable to have men, women, blacks, whites, etc... people indicative our of society involved?

Of course they're involved, they're called voters.

[Ibanez]

Is it not reasonable to have men, women, blacks, whites, etc... people indicative our of society involved?

Of course they're involved, they're called voters.

Yeah....The American electorate are a beacon of hope. Your jokes are as good as BDK.

[AZGrizFan]

You don't even KNOW me any more.

Works every time!

I know... You're a Bud Light kind of guy. The Most Interesting Man in the World.

Again, proof you don't even know me anymore. I stopped drinking BL when I moved to Tejas.

[AZGrizFan]

Who are you, my fucking niece? She's all up in arms and about to protest over this list....

You know, snowflake, protesting every time you don't get your way isn't very productive.

Who said i'm protesting b/c I didn't get my way? You seem triggered, Thomas. If this was a list of women or black men, you'd have a problem with it. Hell, if it was a list of Democrats, you'd have a problem. Is it not reasonable to have men, women, blacks, whites, etc... people indicative our of society involved?

I don't know? Should I protest because 90% of the NBA is black and isn't "indicative of our society"?

And I couldn't care less WHO is on that list. As long as they get it right.

[Ibanez]

Who said i'm protesting b/c I didn't get my way? You seem triggered, Thomas. If this was a list of women or black men, you'd have a problem with it. Hell, if it was a list of Democrats, you'd have a problem. Is it not reasonable to have men, women, blacks, whites, etc... people indicative our of society involved?

I don't know? Should I protest because 90% of the NBA is black and isn't "indicative of our society"?

And I couldn't care less WHO is on that list. As long as they get it right.

Holy Shit, Az. That is a terrible analogy.

Is the NBA drafting health care legislation that will affect MILLIONS OF AMERICANS? Was Lebron James elected to represent his district in the US Senate?

[CAA Flagship]

Works every time!

I know... You're a Bud Light kind of guy. The Most Interesting Man in the World.

Again, proof you don't even know me anymore. I stopped drinking BL when I moved to Tejas.

[CAA Flagship]

Who are you, my fucking niece? She's all up in arms and about to protest over this list....

You know, snowflake, protesting every time you don't get your way isn't very productive.

Who said i'm protesting b/c I didn't get my way? You seem triggered, Thomas. If this was a list of women or black men, you'd have a problem with it. Hell, if it was a list of Democrats, you'd have a problem. Is it not reasonable to have men, women, blacks, whites, etc... people indicative our of society involved?

WTF??? The only thing I'm concerned with is that the results match MY desire in a legal and fair fashion. You could put 3 monkeys, a giraffe, and an octopus in there. I don't care as long as they vote according to what I want to see. And I will continue to cast my votes in accordance with what I want to see happen. I'm pretty sure that's the bottom line in this process.

[Ibanez]

Who said i'm protesting b/c I didn't get my way? You seem triggered, Thomas. If this was a list of women or black men, you'd have a problem with it. Hell, if it was a list of Democrats, you'd have a problem. Is it not reasonable to have men, women, blacks, whites, etc... people indicative our of society involved?

WTF??? The only thing I'm concerned with is that the results match MY desire in a legal and fair fashion. You could put 3 monkeys, a giraffe, and an octopus in there. I don't care as long as they vote according to what I want to see. And I will continue to cast my votes in accordance with what I want to see happen. I'm pretty sure that's the bottom line in this process.

Crap in/Crap out is the process.

[AZGrizFan]

I don't know? Should I protest because 90% of the NBA is black and isn't "indicative of our society"?

And I couldn't care less WHO is on that list. As long as they get it right.

Holy Shit, Az. That is a terrible analogy.

Is the NBA drafting health care legislation that will affect MILLIONS OF AMERICANS? Was Lebron James elected to represent his district in the US Senate?

Leave it to you to miss the message.

And I guaran-fucking-TEE you that if the NBA was 90% WHITE the minorities would be marching on fucking Washington to get their "representation".

[Ibanez]

Holy Shit, Az. That is a terrible analogy.

Is the NBA drafting health care legislation that will affect MILLIONS OF AMERICANS? Was Lebron James elected to represent his district in the US Senate?

Leave it to you to miss the message.

And I guaran-fucking-TEE you that if the NBA was 90% WHITE the minorities would be marching on fucking Washington to get their "representation".

I didn't miss the message. You made a horrible analogy. Equating the NBA to Congress....

I know those men represent a diverse population, but we know Republicans(and Democrats) don't do a damn thing to represent the people that aren't in their party. Contrary to what they say.

[AZGrizFan]

Leave it to you to miss the message.

And I guaran-fucking-TEE you that if the NBA was 90% WHITE the minorities would be marching on fucking Washington to get their "representation".

I didn't miss the message. You made a horrible analogy. Equating the NBA to Congress....

I know those men represent a diverse population, but we know Republicans(and Democrats) don't do a damn thing to represent the people that aren't in their party. Contrary to what they say.

if that group were made up of nothing BUT females and minorities and a white man bitched, he'd be told to sit down and shut the fuck up. You know it. I know it.

[Ibanez]

I didn't miss the message. You made a horrible analogy. Equating the NBA to Congress....

I know those men represent a diverse population, but we know Republicans(and Democrats) don't do a damn thing to represent the people that aren't in their party. Contrary to what they say.

if that group were made up of nothing BUT females and minorities and a white man bitched, he'd be told to sit down and shut the fuck up. You know it. I know it.

I don't disagree with you there.

[GannonFan]

Of course they're involved, they're called voters.

Yeah....The American electorate are a beacon of hope. Your jokes are as good as BDK.

Well, when you laugh at and dismiss the American electorate then I'm not sure what you think the next steps should be in terms of fixing what you think the problems are. Are you suggesting we take away the vote and have some types of committees pick the representation in government? Sure, I'd agree with you that the American electorate, taken as a whole, is pretty dim-witted, but what other way of governing are you proposing that doesn't involve that electorate?

[Skjellyfetti]

But, you're insinuating that voters play some role in crafting this legislation.

Trump said he would not cut Medicaid/Medicare, he would cover everyone, and that he wouldn't take away perexisting conditions. This plan doesn't do that - and, the Senate plan won't do it all either.

Yeah, Obama's healthcare plan that he ran on was very different from what ended up being passed. I'm not disputing that.

The point is - these things are written by committees. Saying 'voters' have a role in crafting legislation is asinine.

[Pwns]

I'd much rather have diversity of class and professional background and diversity of expertise and world-views than have just diversity of appearance. Using the latter as a proxy for the former just seems to go against the principle of not judging individuals by group characteristics.

But that's just my bigoted, white-male-privileged opinion I guess.

[AZGrizFan]

I'd much rather have diversity of class and professional background and diversity of expertise and world-views than have just diversity of appearance. Using the latter as a proxy for the former just seems to go against the principle of not judging individuals by group characteristics.

But that's just my bigoted, white-male-privileged opinion I guess.

Sexist. Racist.

[Ivytalk]

Works every time!

I know... You're a Bud Light kind of guy. The Most Interesting Man in the World.

Again, proof you don't even know me anymore. I stopped drinking BL when I moved to Tejas.

So what do you drink now, "Tex"? Lone Star Light? When I was growing up in Houston, Lone Star was the cheapest swill around. I had friends who drove their pickups to Golden, CO, to bring back a truckload of Coors. Back in the 70s, that was what Texans called an import!

[AZGrizFan]

Again, proof you don't even know me anymore. I stopped drinking BL when I moved to Tejas.

So what do you drink now, "Tex"? Lone Star Light? When I was growing up in Houston, Lone Star was the cheapest swill around. I had friends who drove their pickups to Golden, CO, to bring back a truckload of Coors. Back in the 70s, that was what Texans called an import!

You can't swing a dead cat down here without finding a local microbrew. But failing that, I try and find a Guinness, Sam Adams or an amber. Drink lots of Shiner & Zeigenbock.