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Now the leftards are unloading on Manchin.I would so
if he just said fuck it and left the donk party.
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I’d rather he stay and caucus with them. Much more valuable that way.
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Maybe they should have protested in front of Manchin's boathouse more...
...or protested against Sinema in bathrooms harder.
Womp womp.
And now they are moving from legislation that needed 51 senate votes to pass to one that needs the rules changed from 60 to pass. Good job donks.
Biden is a lame duck less than a year into his term.
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It’s funny how self-styled “moderates” decry the other side’s treatment of moderates
Until their own moderates put them in check
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They can ignore the parliamentarian all they want, but there's no getting around the fact that for the big legislation, say the Build Back Better, they have at best 48 votes in the Senate. There's nothing the parliamentarian can or can't do to conjure up two more votes, or establish a rule that you don't even need a majority to pass bills.CID1990 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 11:44 amThe Senate parliamentarian is an institution of the Senate, klam.kalm wrote:
Is the parliamentarian mentioned in the constitution? In what ways does the parliamentarian preserve democracy?
I’m sorry if I confused you by lumping threats to institutions and threats to democracy together. I’ll try to keep it simpler for you in the future.
If you want to argue that the Senate parliamentarian should be ignored in an evenly split Congress when one side doesn’t get its way, then have at it. Just don’t pretend to be a champion of norms, institutions, etc when you do.
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Good point.GannonFan wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 7:26 amThey can ignore the parliamentarian all they want, but there's no getting around the fact that for the big legislation, say the Build Back Better, they have at best 48 votes in the Senate. There's nothing the parliamentarian can or can't do to conjure up two more votes, or establish a rule that you don't even need a majority to pass bills.CID1990 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 11:44 am
The Senate parliamentarian is an institution of the Senate, klam.
I’m sorry if I confused you by lumping threats to institutions and threats to democracy together. I’ll try to keep it simpler for you in the future.
If you want to argue that the Senate parliamentarian should be ignored in an evenly split Congress when one side doesn’t get its way, then have at it. Just don’t pretend to be a champion of norms, institutions, etc when you do.
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Yeah - it was really moot once Manchin put the brakes on the whole bill. Yet another moderate response to an extreme bill.GannonFan wrote:They can ignore the parliamentarian all they want, but there's no getting around the fact that for the big legislation, say the Build Back Better, they have at best 48 votes in the Senate. There's nothing the parliamentarian can or can't do to conjure up two more votes, or establish a rule that you don't even need a majority to pass bills.CID1990 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 11:44 am The Senate parliamentarian is an institution of the Senate, klam.
I’m sorry if I confused you by lumping threats to institutions and threats to democracy together. I’ll try to keep it simpler for you in the future.
If you want to argue that the Senate parliamentarian should be ignored in an evenly split Congress when one side doesn’t get its way, then have at it. Just don’t pretend to be a champion of norms, institutions, etc when you do.
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We’ll probably see a wave of unconstitutional executive orders next year, as Biden attempts a work-around of Article I.GannonFan wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 7:26 amThey can ignore the parliamentarian all they want, but there's no getting around the fact that for the big legislation, say the Build Back Better, they have at best 48 votes in the Senate. There's nothing the parliamentarian can or can't do to conjure up two more votes, or establish a rule that you don't even need a majority to pass bills.CID1990 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 11:44 am
The Senate parliamentarian is an institution of the Senate, klam.
I’m sorry if I confused you by lumping threats to institutions and threats to democracy together. I’ll try to keep it simpler for you in the future.
If you want to argue that the Senate parliamentarian should be ignored in an evenly split Congress when one side doesn’t get its way, then have at it. Just don’t pretend to be a champion of norms, institutions, etc when you do.
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Followed by Supreme Court smackdowns and then more hysterical calls to expand the court.Ivytalk wrote:We’ll probably see a wave of unconstitutional executive orders next year, as Biden attempts a work-around of Article I.GannonFan wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 7:26 am They can ignore the parliamentarian all they want, but there's no getting around the fact that for the big legislation, say the Build Back Better, they have at best 48 votes in the Senate. There's nothing the parliamentarian can or can't do to conjure up two more votes, or establish a rule that you don't even need a majority to pass bills.
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Yep. Biden and Dems look more incompetent with Manchin as a Dem then they would if were a Rep or Ind.
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One image that says it all.
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Another great one. Living rent free....

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By yet again the same people who went berserk because Trump was going to destroy our institutionsUNI88 wrote:Followed by Supreme Court smackdowns and then more hysterical calls to expand the court.Ivytalk wrote: We’ll probably see a wave of unconstitutional executive orders next year, as Biden attempts a work-around of Article I.
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Not surprised that a party mostly catering to people who like to tear down traditions.
https://hotair.com/jazz-shaw/2021/12/19 ... il-n436472The Hill describes these schemes as attempts to “leapfrog” the Parliamentarian, but what they’re really talking about is torpedoing rules of the chamber that have been in place since well before any of these people were born. Since stomping their feet and complaining didn’t result in getting their way, plenty of Democrats were ready to simply go rogue and do whatever they feel like.
They had two options left to them, neither of which would be acceptable in more “normal” times on the Senate floor. The first is to muster a vote to “override” the Parliamentarian on this issue. But that would require getting at least a simple majority to go along with the plan. That was always very unlikely to happen since both Manchin and Sinema have repeatedly said that “under no circumstances” would they vote to ignore the Parliamentarian’s decisions. And as noted above, Manchin seems to have put his foot down today. Other Democrats were also looking quite nervous over the idea of gutting the Senate rules in this fashion, and there would obviously be no GOP votes to support it.
Plan B would have been even more of a direct affront to the upper chamber’s traditions. Some of Schumer’s colleagues have been suggesting that they simply place someone agreeable to the strategy in the chair pro tempore, probably Kamala Harris, and have them simply ignore the Parliamentarian’s ruling and call for a vote on adding the amnesty provision into the bill anyway.
The argument they are making here in support of the scheme is that the Parliamentarian’s rulings are technically nonbinding. But that’s only because of the long tradition of the Senate not requiring a binding referee. These rules harken back to a time when the Senate was supposed to be the more deliberative and traditional of the two chambers. Rules were followed because they were the rules and ignoring them could lead to chaos. Senators weren’t supposed to require hall monitors to keep them from spraying graffiti on the lockers. They were expected to do the right thing.
Apparently, those days have drawn to a close, or at least they will have if Schumer and Durbin still find some way to jam this through. Unable to push their unpopular immigration “reforms” through as part of the normal order of business, they may once again completely misuse the reconciliation process (which is only supposed to smooth over differences in funding levels for agreed-upon programs and not make significant changes to policies and laws) to completely alter our immigration system. And if they do that, I strongly suspect there will be an even bigger price to pay next November.
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Re: Biden’s Scorecard
White House going after Manchin now. Its getting ugly. They must be trying to drive Manchin out of the democrat party.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/manchi ... f-leak-bbb
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Yeah, the fork being put into Build Back Broke isn’t being taken to well by the Squat.
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I believe it's real and is from a Trump SOTU speech a few years ago.
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Yep. It’s just the perfect fit right now.
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The best is the outcry and gnashing of teeth by the shitlibs claiming Manchin betrayed them...as if his vote on radical legislation was ever in the bag.CID1990 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 7:38 amYeah - it was really moot once Manchin put the brakes on the whole bill. Yet another moderate response to an extreme bill.GannonFan wrote:
They can ignore the parliamentarian all they want, but there's no getting around the fact that for the big legislation, say the Build Back Better, they have at best 48 votes in the Senate. There's nothing the parliamentarian can or can't do to conjure up two more votes, or establish a rule that you don't even need a majority to pass bills.
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Rinse and repeat. It's going to be glorious watching all the shitlib meltdowns.
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The WH response pretty much tells us the BBB bill is done. Absolutely glorious.BDKJMU wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 12:48 pm White House going after Manchin now. Its getting ugly. They must be trying to drive Manchin out of the democrat party.
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Paging JSO. Something about demographics or something. Fucking Team Brown holding the line against this racists ass mother fucker.
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It makes me want to string AOC up by those mammoth hoop earrings.
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Yeah…but it’s kind of creepy when you get a hard on while doing it.



if he just said fuck it and left the donk party.