Coronavirus COVID-19

[kalm]

Great news...now take care, because the regular flu can be deadly too...

Yes, Great News Bob.

This! Glad to hear, Bobby!

[kalm]

We've stopped all funds to the W.H.O.
and that is a damned good decision as far as I'm concerned - their blatant lying on behalf of China is unforgivable
and the condition should be the resignation of the top 10 officials inside W.H.O. for funding to resume

CLEAN HOUSE

So what are trying to say here? That international committees might be corrupt?

[UNI88]

That isn't what I've been trying to say. You're focused on "acceptable deaths per day to open things back up" but you're ignoring the deaths and damage that are resulting from keeping things closed.

Let me try to put it simply:

1. This virus has the ability to kill people and overwhelm our healthcare system and we absolutely have to take it seriously.
2. We must take appropriate steps such as shelter-in-place and physical distancing to keep it from overwhelming our healthcare system.
3. There is a cost to these steps that should be factored into our decision making. The costs include but are not limited to: loss of jobs and businesses (and access to healthcare as a result); increased depression, alcoholism, addiction, suicides, malnutrition, domestic abuse and other violence; reduced tax revenue resulting in reduced funding for essential services such as police, fire, garbage pickup. The costs aren't just about economics but lives lost and the costs will increase logarithmically over time the longer the coronavirus reduction steps remain in place.
4. How long and how strictly do we need to maintain these steps?
5. There are multiple milestones to consider: a) manufacturing and storing necessary medical supplies, b) hospital capacity, c) developing effective treatments, and d) developing an effective vaccine.
6. We seem to be in pretty good shape on a & b, there is progress on c but I'm not sure I've seen anything that would give me confidence in a timeline on when they will actually be ready. d is 18+ months out.

I am confident that we cannot keep the current restrictions in place until an effective vaccine is developed and I don't know when effective treatments will be ready. If we can't wait until d and we don't know when c will happen, the question becomes when after we have achieved a & b do we start to reduce some of the restrictions? The answer depends on when the cost of the restrictions exceed the cost of the virus. The models that can help us determine that will be complicated an inexact but they have to be a part of the decision-making process.

Would it surprise you to know I pretty much agree with all of this?

Actually, it wouldn't surprise me at all. I just wanted to throw that Gomer Pyle quote in there.

[UNI88]

We've stopped all funds to the W.H.O.
and that is a damned good decision as far as I'm concerned - their blatant lying on behalf of China is unforgivable
and the condition should be the resignation of the top 10 officials inside W.H.O. for funding to resume

CLEAN HOUSE

So what are trying to say here? That international committees might be corrupt?

A better question is, where are they on the scale of corruption? There's pure as the drive snow on one end and FIFA level corruption on the other end.

[Chizzang]

We've stopped all funds to the W.H.O.
and that is a damned good decision as far as I'm concerned - their blatant lying on behalf of China is unforgivable
and the condition should be the resignation of the top 10 officials inside W.H.O. for funding to resume

CLEAN HOUSE

So what are trying to say here? That international committees might be corrupt?

Pardon my initial enthusiastic but nieve defense of the W.H.O.
on further review - fuck them

They knowingly lied to the world
with the currency of those lies being human lives - human lives they are sworn to protect
These are doctors who have sworn an oath


I repeat - FUCK THEM

[kalm]

So what are trying to say here? That international committees might be corrupt?

Pardon my initial enthusiastic but nieve defense of the W.H.O.
on further review - fuck them

They knowingly lied to the world
with the currency of those lies being human lives - human lives they are sworn to protect
These are doctors who have sworn an oath


I repeat - FUCK THEM

I was being satirical....sorry...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/reason.com ... =video&amp

[Gil Dobie]

So what are trying to say here? That international committees might be corrupt?

Pardon my initial enthusiastic but nieve defense of the W.H.O.
on further review - fuck them

They knowingly lied to the world
with the currency of those lies being human lives - human lives they are sworn to protect
These are doctors who have sworn an oath


I repeat - FUCK THEM

I think you pretty much nailed it.

[kalm]

Meanwhile...in Ohio (and Michigan) the economic zombie apocalypse is starting to catch fire...

https://www.dispatch.com/news/20200413/ ... ssion=true

[89Hen]

Pardon my initial enthusiastic but nieve defense of the W.H.O.
on further review - fuck them

They knowingly lied to the world
with the currency of those lies being human lives - human lives they are sworn to protect
These are doctors who have sworn an oath


I repeat - FUCK THEM

I was being satirical....sorry...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/reason.com ... =video&amp

Mark the day when Cleets and Kalm were on Trump's side.

Broken clock lads?

[JohnStOnge]

Pardon my initial enthusiastic but nieve defense of the W.H.O.
on further review - fuck them

They knowingly lied to the world
with the currency of those lies being human lives - human lives they are sworn to protect
These are doctors who have sworn an oath


I repeat - FUCK THEM

I was being satirical....sorry...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/reason.com ... =video&amp

With respect to this quote from the Reason article:

As the virus continued spreading across Europe and reached America, the WHO recommended "no interference with international travel."

That is because existing research indicated that interference with international travel does not help. Also, the case data associated with this current pandemic do not indicate that interference with international travel helps. I will go back to the quote from the article at https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/ ... backed-by/:

Eric Toner, an emergency physician and senior scholar with the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security, said politicians face intense public pressure to close their borders when a new disease begins spreading across the globe.

“I think people intuitively think [barring travellers] would work, even though it’s been shown over and over again not to work," Dr. Toner said. "It’s politically appealing, but it’s not the right thing to do.”

There is nothing in the case data associated with the current pandemic to contradict that point of view. So this thing of criticizing the WHO for recommending no interference with international travel is, well, ignorance. It's one of those things where people think something is obvious and it's really not.

[89Hen]

My world is upside down. JSO goes from being a conservative to having the biggest case of TDS on the board while Cleets and Kalm are backing Trump. Cats and dogs living together. Total hysteria.

[Gil Dobie]

#1 Hotspot in the country for COVID-19.

South Dakota Outbreak Link

SIOUX FALLS, S.D. (KELO) — A South Dakota pork processing plant, which has shut down indefinitely, is now the number one coronavirus hotspot in the country, according to data compiled by the New York Times and KELOLAND News.

On Wednesday, South Dakota Department of Health officials confirmed 80 new cases among Smithfield employees in addition to a total of 126 cases connected to those Smithfield Foods employees. That brings the total to 644 cases connected to the plant.

A South Dakota non-profit also announced the death of a Smithfield worker related to COVID-19. That case wasn’t confirmed by the state on Wednesday.

[Gil Dobie]

My world is upside down. JSO goes from being a conservative to having the biggest case of TDS on the board while Cleets and Kalm are backing Trump. Cats and dogs living together. Total hysteria.

[JohnStOnge]

My world is upside down. JSO goes from being a conservative to having the biggest case of TDS on the board while Cleets and Kalm are backing Trump. Cats and dogs living together. Total hysteria.

All Trump stuff aside, the WHO was not wrong in saying travel restrictions don't work. It's what the previous research said and it's been pretty much confirmed by this current episode. It's something that seems to make sense to the common man so governments come under intense pressure to do it. But the WHO was correct in taking that position. But we have media people like that person who wrote the Reason article who don't understand so the WHO comes under criticism for taking the correct position.

[HI54UNI]

And some people think data analytics for the disease itself is tough....

I did say that "the models that can help us determine that will be complicated and inexact but they have to be a part of the decision-making process."

I would love to be a part of trying to develop that kind of model. When I decided to change my college course of study (from Engineering & Computer Science) the choice was between Political Science, Economics and Sociology. I chose to major in Poly Sci and minor in Economics because I could finish in 4 years but the opportunity to get into Econometrics as part of an Economics major almost swayed my decision.

If you've mentioned the Poly Sci major before I haven't noticed. Did you graduate in 1988? Have guys like Lyle Alberts and Alan Hays as profs? My major was Public Administration. Was going to minor in economics as well but didn't finish the minor. F. Abraham was my favorite econ prof.

Sorry for the thread hijack.

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Wait?

Stickybunz has a kid named Markesha?

#Weird

It's a family name, ass.

Markesha Stickybunz......... Family name?

#Awesome

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[kalm]

My world is upside down. JSO goes from being a conservative to having the biggest case of TDS on the board while Cleets and Kalm are backing Trump. Cats and dogs living together. Total hysteria.

This post so warms my heart!!!!

[SDHornet]

Not in CA. Per Gov Newsom:

https://www.gov.ca.gov/2020/04/14/gover ... rventions/

I added the numbers to make my comments easier to follow.

1 - CA doesn't have robust testing now as they are only testing people with symptoms. Also state lab capacities have not increased in over 50 years. Not sure how this will get accomplished, and on what kind of timeline. And how are people going to be isolated? He gonna throw people in camps with the Chinese Flu?
2 - So wait on a treatment regiment? Or wait on a vaccine?
3 - We should know this now. And are these available hospital beds in addition to the normal/typical emergency numbers?
4 - Ok.
5 - So how exactly is the state government going to asses this for a state this size?
6 - Sure

So basically everything is going to stay shutdown until the state can figure out how to assess these metrics. Good-bye small businesses.

So he’s not putting a timeline on it and that’s the big issue? Otherwise, he’s pretty much echoing 88’s post.

A timeline can be put on item 1. You know (roughly) the people here and the effort and resources taken to implement that. Oh, and good luck with that btw.

Just glad my job is essential, but those service industries sure are gonna be fucked here in CA for a while. Hey Gil, maybe you should relocate here.

[SDHornet]

We've stopped all funds to the W.H.O.
and that is a damned good decision as far as I'm concerned - their blatant lying on behalf of China is unforgivable
and the condition should be the resignation of the top 10 officials inside W.H.O. for funding to resume

CLEAN HOUSE

Agreed. Put that money into the CDC, or better yet a refund to tax payers.

[Pwns]

Bill Gates has more than enough money to replace the US share of funding for a while.

[grizzaholic]

False alarm boys. I only have the regular run of the mill flu and tree pollen allergies. Woo Hoo

Great to hear

[mainejeff]

Are you talking about all of the lives saved by less auto accidents, murders, school shootings, etc?

Agreed. We should just shelter in place for the rest of our lives.

Sounds good to me.....especially if the gubermint keeps sending us checks.

[mainejeff]

Are you talking about all of the lives saved by less auto accidents, murders, school shootings, etc?

Using that logic, perhaps we should just lock down the country permanently?

Sure...whatever.

[Chizzang]

I was being satirical....sorry...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/reason.com ... =video&amp

Mark the day when Cleets and Kalm were on Trump's side.

Broken clock lads?

I agree with about 33% of what Trump does politically
The fact that he's a petulant twat doesn't me he's not right about some things

[BDKJMU]

PA governor just said by Sunday night all essential businesses need to provide employees with masks while on the premises and anyone going into an essential business needs to be wearing a mask. Just slightly less stringent than the NY announcement that anyone in public now needs to wear a mask.

Where are they going to find any? We are all still looking for shit-tickets.

Gov Wolf wants to throw out a mandate to businesses to provide masks, then the state should provide the masks, or the funding to purchase them.