Military Coup in Turkey

[BDKJMU]

Are you asking when has the US violated airspace to kill someone via drone strike?

Like Pakistan?

Or how about the CIA kidnapping foreign nationals in other countries like Italy? Perhaps Turkey can just come over here and snatch him?

BDK clearly didn't read the article or if he did, wasn't smart enough to get the rhetorical gist of it.

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Yes I read your liberal hero's article.

In some countries the US has agreements in allowing the use of limited drone strikes (often in exchange for billions in foreign aid). Do they have that with Turkey?
Does the US not have the ability to capture and extradite this guy like some of these other countries don’t have in regards to certain individuals who the US killed using drone strikes?
So we know this Gulen is a bad man because Erdogen says he is?

I could really care less what happens to this guy but when Greenwald saying "According to US actions they most certainly do" is a huge stretch when he just listed a bunch of apples to oranges comparisons. And the Bin Laden comparison is just

[kalm]

Like Pakistan?

Or how about the CIA kidnapping foreign nationals in other countries like Italy? Perhaps Turkey can just come over here and snatch him?

BDK clearly didn't read the article or if he did, wasn't smart enough to get the rhetorical gist of it.

There's an emoji I should use right now, but I don't want to be douche...

Yes I read your liberal hero's article.

In some countries the US has agreements in allowing the use of limited drone strikes (often in exchange for billions in foreign aid). Do they have that with Turkey?
Does the US not have the ability to capture and extradite this guy like some of these other countries don’t have in regards to certain individuals who the US killed using drone strikes?
So we know this Gulen is a bad man because Erdogen says he is?

I could really care less what happens to this guy but when Greenwald saying "According to US actions they most certainly do" is a huge stretch when he just listed a bunch of apples to oranges comparisons. And the Bin Laden comparison is just

You mean like when the Taliban offered up Bin Laden if we could provide evidence, but we refused to give it? Hey, maybe we can wink and nod to Turkey and pretend we are outraged by their drone attack like Pakistan does with ours!

Yeah...you read the article.

Keep on keepin' on BDK, this is fun!

[BDKJMU]

Yes I read your liberal hero's article.

In some countries the US has agreements in allowing the use of limited drone strikes (often in exchange for billions in foreign aid). Do they have that with Turkey?
Does the US not have the ability to capture and extradite this guy like some of these other countries don’t have in regards to certain individuals who the US killed using drone strikes?
So we know this Gulen is a bad man because Erdogen says he is?

I could really care less what happens to this guy but when Greenwald saying "According to US actions they most certainly do" is a huge stretch when he just listed a bunch of apples to oranges comparisons. And the Bin Laden comparison is just

You mean like when the Taliban offered up Bin Laden if we could provide evidence, but we refused to give it? Hey, maybe we can wink and nod to Turkey and pretend we are outraged by their drone attack like Pakistan does with ours!

Yeah...you read the article.

Keep on keepin' on BDK, this is fun!

You think the Taliban was going to simply hand over Bin Laden if we provided the 'evidence'?
And comparing the Bin Laden situation to the one with this Gulan guy..

This is rich

[UNI88]

Does this situation move us toward greater support of the Kurds and a possible Kurdish state? IMO it does.

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[DSUrocks07]

Does this situation move us toward greater support of the Kurds and a possible Kurdish state? IMO it does.

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If by that meaning that it could potentially put us at odds against every country that currently controls Kurdish territory? Then yes.

Honestly at this point. Trump should come out and declare his intent to recognize the Kurds as a group that should have their own country in the region.

That would REALLY rock the boat

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[kalm]

You mean like when the Taliban offered up Bin Laden if we could provide evidence, but we refused to give it? Hey, maybe we can wink and nod to Turkey and pretend we are outraged by their drone attack like Pakistan does with ours!

Yeah...you read the article.

Keep on keepin' on BDK, this is fun!

You think the Taliban was going to simply hand over Bin Laden if we provided the 'evidence'?
And comparing the Bin Laden situation to the one with this Gulan guy..

This is rich

No. And your still missing the point.

[BDKJMU]

You think the Taliban was going to simply hand over Bin Laden if we provided the 'evidence'?
And comparing the Bin Laden situation to the one with this Gulan guy..

This is rich

No. And your still missing the point.

No I'm not. There is near zero comparison between the 2 situations or any of the others that your icon Greenwald tenuously tried to make

[kalm]

No. And your still missing the point.

No I'm not. There is near zero comparison between the 2 situations or any of the others that your icon Greenwald tenuously tried to make

Greenwald hasn't reached iconic status yet but he's one of the best journalists out there.

Btw, since you didn't read it, the argument in this article was prompted by a Twitter post from Col Morris Davis who was a prosecutor at Guantamano and once reprimanded for calling a prisoner a terrorist and a murderer.

But, but liberals!!!

[UNI88]

Does this situation move us toward greater support of the Kurds and a possible Kurdish state? IMO it does.

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If by that meaning that it could potentially put us at odds against every country that currently controls Kurdish territory? Then yes.

Honestly at this point. Trump should come out and declare his intent to recognize the Kurds as a group that should have their own country in the region.

That would REALLY rock the boat

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That is what I meant and that is where I think we're heading. Look who would be upset by it: Iran, Iraq, Syria and Turkey. The one that matters the most from a geo-political perspective is Turkey and while they were once a relatively reliable ally and stabilizing force in the region they appear to be headed in the wrong direction. If Turkey slips into a fundamentalist government don't the Kurds become one of our most reliable allies in the region. Do we hand on to Turkey because of the past or do we look to the future?

[CID1990]

Does this situation move us toward greater support of the Kurds and a possible Kurdish state? IMO it does.

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No

This imperils the possibility of a Kurdish state


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[DSUrocks07]

Does this situation move us toward greater support of the Kurds and a possible Kurdish state? IMO it does.

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No

This imperils the possibility of a Kurdish state


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There was no way that would occur peacefully in the first place, the powers that be in the region have too much to lose. If all the Kurdish lands in the regions were united it would instantly be the second largest nation behind Iran.

I agree with 88, they WOULD be our most reliable ally and would be a perfect foil to Iranian ambitions.

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[UNI88]

No

This imperils the possibility of a Kurdish state


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There was no way that would occur peacefully in the first place, the powers that be in the region have too much to lose. If all the Kurdish lands in the regions were united it would instantly be the second largest nation behind Iran.

I agree with 88, they WOULD be our most reliable ally and would be a perfect foil to Iranian ambitions.

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CID, does it imperil a Kurdish state short and/or long-term?

If Turkey continues on the path toward a fundamentalists government wouldn't it benefit our interests to cut them lose and help create an independent Kurdistan? Yes the creation of Kurdistan will require violence. Shoot, if they go fool on fundamentalist maybe Europe should let Greece and Bulgaria split European Turkey and use the Bosphorus as a barrier.

[CID1990]

There was no way that would occur peacefully in the first place, the powers that be in the region have too much to lose. If all the Kurdish lands in the regions were united it would instantly be the second largest nation behind Iran.

I agree with 88, they WOULD be our most reliable ally and would be a perfect foil to Iranian ambitions.

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CID, does it imperil a Kurdish state short and/or long-term?

If Turkey continues on the path toward a fundamentalists government wouldn't it benefit our interests to cut them lose and help create an independent Kurdistan? Yes the creation of Kurdistan will require violence. Shoot, if they go fool on fundamentalist maybe Europe should let Greece and Bulgaria split European Turkey and use the Bosphorus as a barrier.

Look at it this way

A Kurdish state doesn't happen without the consent or coercion of Turkey and Iran. Culturally speaking it would be the equivalent of us giving Texas to Mexico.

Of course a Kurdish state would be in our interest but that would bring us to the coercion part

which leads to the question- when, since 2003, have we had the balls to coerce any country to do anything?


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[UNI88]

CID, does it imperil a Kurdish state short and/or long-term?

If Turkey continues on the path toward a fundamentalists government wouldn't it benefit our interests to cut them lose and help create an independent Kurdistan? Yes the creation of Kurdistan will require violence. Shoot, if they go fool on fundamentalist maybe Europe should let Greece and Bulgaria split European Turkey and use the Bosphorus as a barrier.

Look at it this way

A Kurdish state doesn't happen without the consent or coercion of Turkey and Iran. Culturally speaking it would be the equivalent of us giving Texas to Mexico.

Of course a Kurdish state would be in our interest but that would bring us to the coercion part

which leads to the question- when, since 2003, have we had the balls to coerce any country to do anything?

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Who cares what Iran thinks/wants? They need to be kicked in the nuts every now and then. And the same thing for Turkey if they goe down the path toward a fundamentalist government

I keep forgetting that we've collectively placed our balls, spine and brains in a jar on the mantel. We show a willingness to engage in nation building in Libya and Syria that you can be pretty sure in advance will end disastrously but will in all likelihood avoid doing the same for a reliable ally like the Kurds who have demonstrated more cohesiveness and an ability to govern.

[CID1990]

Look at it this way

A Kurdish state doesn't happen without the consent or coercion of Turkey and Iran. Culturally speaking it would be the equivalent of us giving Texas to Mexico.

Of course a Kurdish state would be in our interest but that would bring us to the coercion part

which leads to the question- when, since 2003, have we had the balls to coerce any country to do anything?

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Who cares what Iran thinks/wants? They need to be kicked in the nuts every now and then. And the same thing for Turkey if they goe down the path toward a fundamentalist government

I keep forgetting that we've collectively placed our balls, spine and brains in a jar on the mantel. We show a willingness to engage in nation building in Libya and Syria that you can be pretty sure in advance will end disastrously but will in all likelihood avoid doing the same for a reliable ally like the Kurds who have demonstrated more cohesiveness and an ability to govern.

So I'm assuming you have been in cryo-sleep for the last few years, but now that you're awake I'll fill you in-

We just signed a nuclear deal with Iran that gives them all their money back, lifts sanctions, in return for..... Iran slowing down their nuke program, on their honor.

So apparently the one country in the world that cares what Iran wants (other than Iran) is our own.

But I wasn't saying what ought to be. I was saying what is. No Kurdish state as long as Turkey and Iran would have to give up territory and share borders with it.

[Ibanez]

3 pages and not one of you Mensa-tards made a Tryptophan joke. I'm disappointed.

[kalm]

3 pages and not one of you Mensa-tards made a Tryptophan joke. I'm disappointed.

I snuck in a song reference and got nada from you assholes.

[Ibanez]

3 pages and not one of you Mensa-tards made a Tryptophan joke. I'm disappointed.

I snuck in a song reference and got nada from you assholes.

I noticed....it was meh

[kalm]

I snuck in a song reference and got nada from you assholes.

I noticed....it was meh

Thanks.