Incoming: Hand-wringing on the 75th Anniversary of the Nuking of Japan

[houndawg]

Whole different breed of southerner - the Appalachians were settled from the North down.

Wow, so you are an expert in early Appalachian demographics.

Is there anything you don't know, 6.93?

You disagree that the people that settled the Appalachians are a different breed than the "white flag" southerners?

[CID1990]

Wow, so you are an expert in early Appalachian demographics.

Is there anything you don't know, 6.93?

You disagree that the people that settled the Appalachians are a different breed than the "white flag" southerners?

That had very little to do with why western NC, eastern TN, and western VA were conflicted over the war. The western NC population was split fairly evenly between Unionist and Secessionist sentiment but that same population was about 95% Scots Irish.

So you’re basically talking out of your ass again.


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[Ibanez]

Whole different breed of southerner - the Appalachians were settled from the North down.

Wow, so you are an expert in early Appalachian demographics.

Is there anything you don't know, 6.93?

This from the guy whose POV of blacks is based of youtube videos.

[Ibanez]

You disagree that the people that settled the Appalachians are a different breed than the "white flag" southerners?

That had very little to do with why western NC, eastern TN, and western VA were conflicted over the war. The western NC population was split fairly evenly between Unionist and Secessionist sentiment but that same population was about 95% Scots Irish.

So you’re basically talking out of your ass again.


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I'm wondering if he is referring to the slave holding population of Appalachia vs the low country (for example). While slavery existed in Appalachia, it wasn't nearly at the scope or scale of the delta plains or SC/GA low countries. And as you mentioned - the sentiments were split - was something very common in mountainous regions.

[CID1990]

That had very little to do with why western NC, eastern TN, and western VA were conflicted over the war. The western NC population was split fairly evenly between Unionist and Secessionist sentiment but that same population was about 95% Scots Irish.

So you’re basically talking out of your ass again.


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I'm wondering if he is referring to the slave holding population of Appalachia vs the low country (for example). While slavery existed in Appalachia, it wasn't nearly at the scope or scale of the delta plains or SC/GA low countries. And as you mentioned - the sentiments were split - was something very common in mountainous regions.

It was legal in those areas but largely nonexistent. There were no crops or industries there that made slave owning economical. The residents of the area were just as Scots Irish as the residents of the Piedmont. But they balked at the war because they literally had no dog in the fight and did not support secession. They understood that they would be fighting for rich landholders, and that their situations would almost certainly get worse if they did fight.

1862-1864 in western NC was a mini- civil war inside the larger one. Communities were all split between the sides and they spent those years killing each other, like MO and KS.


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[Ibanez]

I'm wondering if he is referring to the slave holding population of Appalachia vs the low country (for example). While slavery existed in Appalachia, it wasn't nearly at the scope or scale of the delta plains or SC/GA low countries. And as you mentioned - the sentiments were split - was something very common in mountainous regions.

It was legal in those areas but largely nonexistent. There were no crops or industries there that made slave owning economical. The residents of the area were just as Scots Irish as the residents of the Piedmont. But they balked at the war because they literally had no dog in the fight and did not support secession. They understood that they would be fighting for rich landholders, and that their situations would almost certainly get worse if they did fight.

1862-1864 in western NC was a mini- civil war inside the larger one. Communities were all split between the sides and they spent those years killing each other, like MO and KS.


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I know that. And you know that.


Others should learn that. It’d really help.


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[houndawg]

You disagree that the people that settled the Appalachians are a different breed than the "white flag" southerners?

That had very little to do with why western NC, eastern TN, and western VA were conflicted over the war. The western NC population was split fairly evenly between Unionist and Secessionist sentiment but that same population was about 95% Scots Irish.

So you’re basically talking out of your ass again.


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You're talking about something else - I was comparing Appalachian people to the white flaggers down south in Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi; see Kephart's Our Southern Highlanders - he's the one talking out his ass. But thank you for sharing.

[CID1990]

That had very little to do with why western NC, eastern TN, and western VA were conflicted over the war. The western NC population was split fairly evenly between Unionist and Secessionist sentiment but that same population was about 95% Scots Irish.

So you’re basically talking out of your ass again.


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You're talking about something else - I was comparing Appalachian people to the white flaggers down south in Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi; see Kephart's Our Southern Highlanders - he's the one talking out his ass. But thank you for sharing.

In around 1860 the US Census had north of 90% of all Southerners claiming Celtic heritage. That was mostly Scots Irish from the Ulster diaspora and Highlanders after the clearances.

The Highland Scots were largely concentrated in NC, up the Cape Fear River basin. They founded Fayetteville. Only a smattering of them made it into Georgia and Alabama by that time- not enough to be statistically significant.

The Scots Irish, on the other hand, populated the entire Appalachian range from PA down to GA, and fanned out into SC and AL from there. Ethnically, the Appalachians and the “White Flag Southerners” we’re precisely the same people, separated by 100 years of geography and colonial economics.

So no, I am not confusing anything when I say you are talking out of your ass on this one.


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[houndawg]

You're talking about something else - I was comparing Appalachian people to the white flaggers down south in Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi; see Kephart's Our Southern Highlanders - he's the one talking out his ass. But thank you for sharing.

In around 1860 the US Census had north of 90% of all Southerners claiming Celtic heritage. That was mostly Scots Irish from the Ulster diaspora and Highlanders after the clearances.

The Highland Scots were largely concentrated in NC, up the Cape Fear River basin. They founded Fayetteville. Only a smattering of them made it into Georgia and Alabama by that time- not enough to be statistically significant.

The Scots Irish, on the other hand, populated the entire Appalachian range from PA down to GA, and fanned out into SC and AL from there. Ethnically, the Appalachians and the “White Flag Southerners” we’re precisely the same people, separated by 100 years of geography and colonial economics.

So no, I am not confusing anything when I say you are talking out of your ass on this one.


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You are - you're confusing me with Horace Kephart.