Cleets Part 2 wrote:
The nature of abstracting vs. the nature of insertion are implied to be identical in your statement... because someone might remove the stabbed knife the same way the killer would remove the knife does not make both men killers...
I don't care what Obama does. He has already proven he was not "in the know" when he promised to undo all of Bush's anti terror policies and then copied them exactly.
I am waiting for his sheeple to start protesting on the bridges and calling for his impeachment because he has allowed the same anti terror policies that a unilateralist cowboy came up with to stand.
Obama is trying to pull the "Jedi Mind Trick" by simply waving his hand and declaring he is fixing or eliminating Bush's anti terror policies. None of that has happened. He is full of crap.
Your knife analogy doesn't apply here. The killer was the Iraq war, I am talking about anti terror policies that were derived from 9/11, something Bush did not bring upon this nation. Obama said he would "fix" those atrocities and has done squat of what he promised.
Apparently the "Jedi Mind Trick" worked on Dick Cheney, who accused Obama of making us less safe in his handling of the war on terror. You should email Cheney and let him know that all is well, Obama is following Bush's policies verbatim.
SeattleGriz wrote:
I don't care what Obama does. He has already proven he was not "in the know" when he promised to undo all of Bush's anti terror policies and then copied them exactly.
I am waiting for his sheeple to start protesting on the bridges and calling for his impeachment because he has allowed the same anti terror policies that a unilateralist cowboy came up with to stand.
Obama is trying to pull the "Jedi Mind Trick" by simply waving his hand and declaring he is fixing or eliminating Bush's anti terror policies. None of that has happened. He is full of crap.
Your knife analogy doesn't apply here. The killer was the Iraq war, I am talking about anti terror policies that were derived from 9/11, something Bush did not bring upon this nation. Obama said he would "fix" those atrocities and has done squat of what he promised.
Apparently the "Jedi Mind Trick" worked on Dick Cheney, who accused Obama of making us less safe in his handling of the war on terror. You should email Cheney and let him know that all is well, Obama is following Bush's policies verbatim.
I don't feel safe unless we're at "Orange".
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SeattleGriz wrote:
I don't care what Obama does. He has already proven he was not "in the know" when he promised to undo all of Bush's anti terror policies and then copied them exactly.
I am waiting for his sheeple to start protesting on the bridges and calling for his impeachment because he has allowed the same anti terror policies that a unilateralist cowboy came up with to stand.
Obama is trying to pull the "Jedi Mind Trick" by simply waving his hand and declaring he is fixing or eliminating Bush's anti terror policies. None of that has happened. He is full of crap.
Your knife analogy doesn't apply here. The killer was the Iraq war, I am talking about anti terror policies that were derived from 9/11, something Bush did not bring upon this nation. Obama said he would "fix" those atrocities and has done squat of what he promised.
Apparently the "Jedi Mind Trick" worked on Dick Cheney, who accused Obama of making us less safe in his handling of the war on terror. You should email Cheney and let him know that all is well, Obama is following Bush's policies verbatim.
Cheney was referring to Obama releasing dusty old self reported photos the military supplied and then redacting information on the benefits water boarding while acting as if we water boarded everyone who got detained, when in reality, it was only three very high profile terrorists.
One possibility, and a potentially worrisome one for this administration, is that Woodward will choose to focus on national security--the area where Obama has always seemed hypersensitive about being portrayed as weak and directionless. If he does, a likely source could be Obama's national security adviser, Jim Jones.
I'd be worried to if all I could do was criticize first, then exactly copy because I had no clue what to do. In other words, he IS weak and directionless.
NO! Say it ain't so. Obama is giving up on bringing Gitmo prisoners to the US.
Another broken promise and more conformity to the Bush policies. Wow. Thank goodness we had someone who knew what in the hell they were doing when those policies were created.
Taken from the Huffington Toast is this link to the liberal Washington Post
The Obama administration has all but abandoned plans to allow Guantanamo Bay detainees who have been cleared for release to live in the United States, administration officials said yesterday, a decision that reflects bipartisan congressional opposition to admitting such prisoners but complicates efforts to persuade European allies to accept them.
Guess the teleprompter isn't buying any Euro support. He should go back to community organizing. At least there he could hide his incompetence.
SeattleGriz wrote:NO! Say it ain't so. Obama is giving up on bringing Gitmo prisoners to the US.
Another broken promise and more conformity to the Bush policies. Wow. Thank goodness we had someone who knew what in the hell they were doing when those policies were created.
Taken from the Huffington Toast is this link to the liberal Washington Post
The Obama administration has all but abandoned plans to allow Guantanamo Bay detainees who have been cleared for release to live in the United States, administration officials said yesterday, a decision that reflects bipartisan congressional opposition to admitting such prisoners but complicates efforts to persuade European allies to accept them.
Guess the teleprompter isn't buying any Euro support. He should go back to community organizing. At least there he could hide his incompetence.
This just in...a politician has broken a promise. Film at 11...
Iraq was, and always will be a mistake. Obama is staying because of the utter incompetance the Bush Admin carried out the war. 8-10 years? My ass, Bush, et all was predicting 1 or 2 years.
Nice revisionist history.
Its been so long I have forgotten how many UN resolutions Saddam had against him. It was like that scene in Team America when Hans Blix tells Kim Jong Il that if he doesn't comply, the UN will write another report. Ooohhhh.
Lets also not forget that Saddam played a dangerous game and got called on it and lost big.
Not to mention all the dead Iraqis that Saddam slaughtered and all the top shelf Dems (Clintons, Kerry, Kennedy, Gore, Biden, Levin, etc.) that said Saddam had WMD's.
Sorry if through all this, I felt that Bob's analysis of why we went into Iraq made the most sense to me. We really wanted Iran, but were willing to take out a piece of crap instead to sit next to Iran.
Obama has NO plan, that is why he is going along with Bush, or he has realized, now that he actually gets to attend intelligence meetings that Bush's policies weren't so bad. Why did Obama say he would get troops out of Iraq by the end of his first term, only to take that back after he had a briefing with GW?
Wait a second, was Bob the Commander in Chief, or a former soldier? Because, last time I checked he wasn't the President making the case and decision to go to war. Bush beat the WMD drum to death, there is no doubt that the original reason for going to war was Saddam's alleged (now we know false) WMDs. If Bob is correct, why didn't the president use that reasoning BEFORE the war, not during it?
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SeattleGriz wrote:NO! Say it ain't so. Obama is giving up on bringing Gitmo prisoners to the US.
Another broken promise and more conformity to the Bush policies. Wow. Thank goodness we had someone who knew what in the hell they were doing when those policies were created.
Taken from the Huffington Toast is this link to the liberal Washington Post
The Obama administration has all but abandoned plans to allow Guantanamo Bay detainees who have been cleared for release to live in the United States, administration officials said yesterday, a decision that reflects bipartisan congressional opposition to admitting such prisoners but complicates efforts to persuade European allies to accept them.
Guess the teleprompter isn't buying any Euro support. He should go back to community organizing. At least there he could hide his incompetence.
I'm sorry, but as a conk, I have to disagree. I'm certainly not an Obama supporter, but his liberal friends in Congress are making this difficult on him. And, as has been said before, this doesn't vindicate Bush policies. If Bush hadn't made the original mistake of going to war, this wouldn't be an issue. The fact that Obama is not bringing detainees to American soil doesn't vindicate the illegal war, it only shows that Bush's policies of indefinitely locking up prisoners off our shore has created a very difficult problem for Obama to solve. Obama's mistake was making promises he couldn't (isn't) keep(ing)...that doesn't vindicate Bush at all.
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SeattleGriz wrote:NO! Say it ain't so. Obama is giving up on bringing Gitmo prisoners to the US.
Another broken promise and more conformity to the Bush policies. Wow. Thank goodness we had someone who knew what in the hell they were doing when those policies were created.
Taken from the Huffington Toast is this link to the liberal Washington Post
Guess the teleprompter isn't buying any Euro support. He should go back to community organizing. At least there he could hide his incompetence.
I'm sorry, but as a conk, I have to disagree. I'm certainly not an Obama supporter, but his liberal friends in Congress are making this difficult on him. And, as has been said before, this doesn't vindicate Bush policies. If Bush hadn't made the original mistake of going to war, this wouldn't be an issue. The fact that Obama is not bringing detainees to American soil doesn't vindicate the illegal war, it only shows that Bush's policies of indefinitely locking up prisoners off our shore has created a very difficult problem for Obama to solve. Obama's mistake was making promises he couldn't (isn't) keep(ing)...that doesn't vindicate Bush at all.
I am talking anti terror policies, not Iraq war. Besides, everyone has said Iraq didn't have an Al Qaeda problem. Two different policies.
This is about that evil Bush wire tapping, using predator drone strikes, email intercepts, indefinite detention, rendition, etc. All those policies that tore down our civil rights as Americans.
Obama has accepted them all after he railed against them during the campaign. Folded over like a wiener.
ASUMountaineer wrote:
I'm sorry, but as a conk, I have to disagree. I'm certainly not an Obama supporter, but his liberal friends in Congress are making this difficult on him. And, as has been said before, this doesn't vindicate Bush policies. If Bush hadn't made the original mistake of going to war, this wouldn't be an issue. The fact that Obama is not bringing detainees to American soil doesn't vindicate the illegal war, it only shows that Bush's policies of indefinitely locking up prisoners off our shore has created a very difficult problem for Obama to solve. Obama's mistake was making promises he couldn't (isn't) keep(ing)...that doesn't vindicate Bush at all.
I am talking anti terror policies, not Iraq war. Besides, everyone has said Iraq didn't have an Al Qaeda problem. Two different policies.
This is about that evil Bush wire tapping, using predator drone strikes, email intercepts, indefinite detention, rendition, etc. All those policies that tore down our civil rights as Americans.
Obama has accepted them all after he railed against them during the campaign. Folded over like a wiener.
I agree that they did all tear down our civil rights and that is why I refuse to ever cast a vote for a politician who supported the PATRIOT Act and authorizing the president to use force (declare war). You're right, Obama did "flip-flop," but that doesn't vindicate Bush's policies. If anything, it vindicates the understanding that Bush was nothing but a big government liberal. Which is the main point, I don't see how this vindicates Bush's policies at all. If the policies were wrong when Bush created them, they're wrong now. I understand what you're trying to say, I just don't think the connection is there to say Bush's policies are now correct.
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ASUMountaineer wrote:I agree that they did all tear down our civil rights and that is why I refuse to ever cast a vote for a politician who supported the PATRIOT Act and authorizing the president to use force (declare war). You're right, Obama did "flip-flop," but that doesn't vindicate Bush's policies. If anything, it vindicates the understanding that Bush was nothing but a big government liberal. Which is the main point, I don't see how this vindicates Bush's policies at all. If the policies were wrong when Bush created them, they're wrong now. I understand what you're trying to say, I just don't think the connection is there to say Bush's policies are now correct.
Great level headed post. I understand what you are saying and I actually am glad Obama is clueless and can't figure out a way to "fix the problems" with the anti terror policies.
My main beef is with all the big mouths who wanted impeachment over these items who all of a sudden have lost their balls. HUGE DOUBLE STANDARD.
ASUMountaineer wrote:I agree that they did all tear down our civil rights and that is why I refuse to ever cast a vote for a politician who supported the PATRIOT Act and authorizing the president to use force (declare war). You're right, Obama did "flip-flop," but that doesn't vindicate Bush's policies. If anything, it vindicates the understanding that Bush was nothing but a big government liberal. Which is the main point, I don't see how this vindicates Bush's policies at all. If the policies were wrong when Bush created them, they're wrong now. I understand what you're trying to say, I just don't think the connection is there to say Bush's policies are now correct.
Great level headed post. I understand what you are saying and I actually am glad Obama is clueless and can't figure out a way to "fix the problems" with the anti terror policies.
My main beef is with all the big mouths who wanted impeachment over these items who all of a sudden have lost their balls. HUGE DOUBLE STANDARD.
Two thoughtful and outstanding posts!
I do not agree completely, but the ideas you both have articulated are among the reasons I am becoming more of a libertarian.
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SeattleGriz wrote:Oh yeah, add "Prolonged Detention" to the list of Obama flip flops. But of course since he came up with it, it isn't an ad hoc legal strategy.
It was called indefinite detention when Bush did it, but now it has a much more grandiose name.
At least with his lack of imagination, he at least isn't putting us further into harms way. Guy is in over his head and it is painfully obvious.
That statement has been true for the last 8+ years.
ASUMountaineer wrote:I agree that they did all tear down our civil rights and that is why I refuse to ever cast a vote for a politician who supported the PATRIOT Act and authorizing the president to use force (declare war). You're right, Obama did "flip-flop," but that doesn't vindicate Bush's policies. If anything, it vindicates the understanding that Bush was nothing but a big government liberal. Which is the main point, I don't see how this vindicates Bush's policies at all. If the policies were wrong when Bush created them, they're wrong now. I understand what you're trying to say, I just don't think the connection is there to say Bush's policies are now correct.
Great level headed post. I understand what you are saying and I actually am glad Obama is clueless and can't figure out a way to "fix the problems" with the anti terror policies.
My main beef is with all the big mouths who wanted impeachment over these items who all of a sudden have lost their balls. HUGE DOUBLE STANDARD.
Well, he is the messiah.
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Wonder why USA PATRIOT is still in effect and there has been little to no discussion on rolling it back?
Two years ago it was "domestic spying" (OH MY), but now there is almost dead silence. I guess Janet Napolitano sees its usefulness in monitoring those radicalized returning war veterans and toothless rednecks in Laurens, SC.
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CID1990 wrote:Wonder why USA PATRIOT is still in effect and there has been little to no discussion on rolling it back?
Two years ago it was "domestic spying" (OH MY), but now there is almost dead silence. I guess Janet Napolitano sees its usefulness in monitoring those radicalized returning war veterans and toothless rednecks in Laurens, SC.
It is still domestic spying, the fact that the spineless Democrats are useless like their comrade RINOs means nothing. I'm glad you capitalized that unlawful and socialistic acronym. Will not vote for supporters of the PATRIOT Act.
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SeattleGriz wrote:Oh yeah, add "Prolonged Detention" to the list of Obama flip flops. But of course since he came up with it, it isn't an ad hoc legal strategy.
It was called indefinite detention when Bush did it, but now it has a much more grandiose name.
At least with his lack of imagination, he at least isn't putting us further into harms way. Guy is in over his head and it is painfully obvious.
That statement has been true for the last 8+ years.
So apparently Americans didn't learn ANYTHING in that time.
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CID1990 wrote:Wonder why USA PATRIOT is still in effect and there has been little to no discussion on rolling it back?
Two years ago it was "domestic spying" (OH MY), but now there is almost dead silence. I guess Janet Napolitano sees its usefulness in monitoring those radicalized returning war veterans and toothless rednecks in Laurens, SC.
It is still domestic spying, the fact that the spineless Democrats are useless like their comrade RINOs means nothing. I'm glad you capitalized that unlawful and socialistic acronym. Will not vote for supporters of the PATRIOT Act.
ASU- what exactly are the criteria for eavesdropping?
Are you saying that when we capture a cellphone in Afghanistan and there are U.S. phone numbers in the call history we shouldn't investigate who Johnny Taliban was talking to? You do know phone tapping has been legally used since there were phones, right?
I've read it. There really isn't anything all that earth shattering in it.
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ASUMountaineer wrote:
It is still domestic spying, the fact that the spineless Democrats are useless like their comrade RINOs means nothing. I'm glad you capitalized that unlawful and socialistic acronym. Will not vote for supporters of the PATRIOT Act.
ASU- what exactly are the criteria for eavesdropping?
Are you saying that when we capture a cellphone in Afghanistan and there are U.S. phone numbers in the call history we shouldn't investigate who Johnny Taliban was talking to? You do know phone tapping has been legally used since there were phones, right?
I've read it. There really isn't anything all that earth shattering in it.
Right, because that's the ONLY instance in which the PATRIOT Act allows spying on Americans. The library books, e-mails, etc. have nothing to do with it. You may trust the government (God knows why) to do that--I don't. Good for you on reading it, a lot of us have. It's just more power going to the central government.
Oh, and thanks for letting me know phone tapping has been legally used since there were phones--that is mind blowing.
Of course there's nothing earth shattering in it for you. We need the government to protect us from everything, right? For a "conk," you really struggle with that less government intrusion thing don't you? Again, voting for that bill is death knell for any politician looking for my vote.
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CID1990 wrote:Wonder why USA PATRIOT is still in effect and there has been little to no discussion on rolling it back?
Two years ago it was "domestic spying" (OH MY), but now there is almost dead silence. I guess Janet Napolitano sees its usefulness in monitoring those radicalized returning war veterans and toothless rednecks in Laurens, SC.
One a government takes something from it's people, it seldom gives it back without a fight. Unless the public gets in an uproar over it, USA PATRIOT will probably remain in effect no matter who is in office.
