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∞∞∞ wrote:As a society, we need to determine what we actually want from health insurance.The ACA is primarily designed to be a safety net from catastrophic events, items that were bankrupting (and killing) people when that didn't have to be the case. The cost structures aren't really designed for typical doctor visits, and I think that's why people are annoyed - they're paying more for the most common health care items.

On the flip side, individual insurance plans before the ACA lowered co-pays for doctor visits, but screwed a lot of people when a catastrophic event occurred and they exceeded their cap limit. Lives were being lost and entire families could potentially face financial ruin.

So that brings me back to the original statement: what do we actually want from insurance? In its purest form, insurance is supposed to protect you from a worst-case scenario. In that way, the ACA originally functioned as intended. But obviously Americans expect insurance to help them with day-to-day costs as well. So how do we do that? Is it an overhauled ACA? Is it private insurance with more oversight? Is it single-payer? Or is it a hybrid of public and private insurance?
FIFY - ACA might have functioned in that manner but it was breaking down as insurers dropped out of marketplaces and consumers were getting fewer and fewer choices with increasing costs.

I wonder why a hybrid model won't work. Make a basic single payer system available to all. Cover basic preventative care (physicals, screenings, etc.) and catastrophic care. Consumers would need to be smarter in how they used healthcare to help manage their out-of-pocket costs. Better care would be available for purchase or through employer plans. You would still end up with haves and have-nots (highly competitive industries with higher pay would be the ones most likely to offer additional health insurance while industries with lower pay such as retail and food service wouldn't offer insurance to their hourly employees) but the have-nots would have something to help discover catastrophic illnesses earlier and to help take care of them when they occurred. Everyone can't have a Cadillac health plan.
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UNI88 wrote:
∞∞∞ wrote:As a society, we need to determine what we actually want from health insurance.The ACA is primarily designed to be a safety net from catastrophic events, items that were bankrupting (and killing) people when that didn't have to be the case. The cost structures aren't really designed for typical doctor visits, and I think that's why people are annoyed - they're paying more for the most common health care items.

On the flip side, individual insurance plans before the ACA lowered co-pays for doctor visits, but screwed a lot of people when a catastrophic event occurred and they exceeded their cap limit. Lives were being lost and entire families could potentially face financial ruin.

So that brings me back to the original statement: what do we actually want from insurance? In its purest form, insurance is supposed to protect you from a worst-case scenario. In that way, the ACA originally functioned as intended. But obviously Americans expect insurance to help them with day-to-day costs as well. So how do we do that? Is it an overhauled ACA? Is it private insurance with more oversight? Is it single-payer? Or is it a hybrid of public and private insurance?
FIFY - ACA might have functioned in that manner but it was breaking down as insurers dropped out of marketplaces and consumers were getting fewer and fewer choices with increasing costs.

I wonder why a hybrid model won't work. Make a basic single payer system available to all. Cover basic preventative care (physicals, screenings, etc.) and catastrophic care. Consumers would need to be smarter in how they used healthcare to help manage their out-of-pocket costs. Better care would be available for purchase or through employer plans. You would still end up with haves and have-nots (highly competitive industries with higher pay would be the ones most likely to offer additional health insurance while industries with lower pay such as retail and food service wouldn't offer insurance to their hourly employees) but the have-nots would have something to help discover catastrophic illnesses earlier and to help take care of them when they occurred. Everyone can't have a Cadillac health plan.
Agreed other than the employer provided plan needs to be optional and not a mandate.
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kalm wrote:
UNI88 wrote:
FIFY - ACA might have functioned in that manner but it was breaking down as insurers dropped out of marketplaces and consumers were getting fewer and fewer choices with increasing costs.

I wonder why a hybrid model won't work. Make a basic single payer system available to all. Cover basic preventative care (physicals, screenings, etc.) and catastrophic care. Consumers would need to be smarter in how they used healthcare to help manage their out-of-pocket costs. Better care would be available for purchase or through employer plans. You would still end up with haves and have-nots (highly competitive industries with higher pay would be the ones most likely to offer additional health insurance while industries with lower pay such as retail and food service wouldn't offer insurance to their hourly employees) but the have-nots would have something to help discover catastrophic illnesses earlier and to help take care of them when they occurred. Everyone can't have a Cadillac health plan.
Agreed other than the employer provided plan needs to be optional and not a mandate.
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Skjellyfetti wrote:I like the new decoration at Trump International

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Skjellyfetti wrote:I like the new decoration at Trump International

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Skjellyfetti wrote:First ~100 days

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Even more true now...



I thought we were going to finally have the adults running things after Obama left :suspicious:
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Here's how Trump can be a "success" in my eyes:

http://reason.com/archives/2017/05/16/w ... m-presiden
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I actually enjoy how bumbling the Trump team is
particularly at handling anything that has more than two steps to the procedure

The whole lot of them are just circus clowns...



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Chizzang wrote:I actually enjoy how bumbling the Trump team is
particularly at handling anything that has more than two steps to the procedure

The whole lot of them are just circus clowns...



:rofl:
Or the least adept at hiding it
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CID1990 wrote:
Chizzang wrote:I actually enjoy how bumbling the Trump team is
particularly at handling anything that has more than two steps to the procedure

The whole lot of them are just circus clowns...



:rofl:
Or the least adept at hiding it
Oh yes, that must be it...
occam's razor doesn't apply here and 20 years of previous evidence

Obviously:
All the prior administrations throughout history have been masters of deception



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Chizzang wrote:
CID1990 wrote:
Or the least adept at hiding it
Oh yes, that must be it...
occam's razor doesn't apply here and 20 years of previous evidence

Obviously:
All the prior administrations throughout history have been masters of deception



:lol:
That was part truth and part snark

But I've witnessed a lot of time and effort being spent on how things look versus whether they work - at all levels of government

The single best attribute of the Charleston mayor's office, the last Presidential admin, as well as DoS (since I arrived) is message control and keeping up appearances

all else was a distant third place

Coordinate the message properly and get the Prez to shut up and the current admin looks little different from the last 4


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CID1990 wrote:
Chizzang wrote:
Oh yes, that must be it...
occam's razor doesn't apply here and 20 years of previous evidence

Obviously:
All the prior administrations throughout history have been masters of deception



:lol:
That was part truth and part snark

But I've witnessed a lot of time and effort being spent on how things look versus whether they work - at all levels of government

The single best attribute of the Charleston mayor's office, the last Presidential admin, as well as DoS (since I arrived) is message control and keeping up appearances

all else was a distant third place

Coordinate the message properly and get the Prez to shut up and the current admin looks little different from the last 4
I see:
Put lip gloss on a pigs ass hole and it'll smile like the Mona Lisa... So I'm told
But don't take my word for it

CID seriously,
The article link you post where we're told how fortunate we are to have President Trump
He's here to show us our human failings and shortcomings
and how gosh darn hard we are on our presidents (Obama excluded, he was unqualified)

This pandering apologetics exercise isn't very becoming of you
I expected a True Conservative would take it like a man
Stand up in front and not make a layered myriad of excuses


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Chizzang wrote:
CID1990 wrote:
That was part truth and part snark

But I've witnessed a lot of time and effort being spent on how things look versus whether they work - at all levels of government

The single best attribute of the Charleston mayor's office, the last Presidential admin, as well as DoS (since I arrived) is message control and keeping up appearances

all else was a distant third place

Coordinate the message properly and get the Prez to shut up and the current admin looks little different from the last 4
I see:
Put lip gloss on a pigs ass hole and it'll smile like the Mona Lisa... So I'm told
But don't take my word for it

CID seriously,
The article link you post where we're told how fortunate we are to have President Trump
He's here to show us our human failings and shortcomings
and how gosh darn hard we are on our presidents (Obama excluded, he was unqualified)

This pandering apologetics exercise isn't very becoming of you
I expected a True Conservative would take it like a man
Stand up in front and not make a layered myriad of excuses


:ohno:
What article? The Reason one?

I dont get that take from the article at all- Ive said before (many times) that I find Presidents to be largely irrelevant, and I think way too many people in this country have way too much faith in government (the cult of the Presidency being one facet of this)

I used to have more respect for the office- but that was before I realized we likely have seen the last of the President who wasn't a preening, self important ass

Just because I'm not condemning Trump in every other post doesn't mean I approve- my hypocrisy radar is just more sensitive than my malfeasance radar

Dont worry though.... the latest PPP poll shows The Rock ahead of Trump


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CID1990 wrote:
Chizzang wrote:
I see:
Put lip gloss on a pigs ass hole and it'll smile like the Mona Lisa... So I'm told
But don't take my word for it

CID seriously,
The article link you post where we're told how fortunate we are to have President Trump
He's here to show us our human failings and shortcomings
and how gosh darn hard we are on our presidents (Obama excluded, he was unqualified)

This pandering apologetics exercise isn't very becoming of you
I expected a True Conservative would take it like a man
Stand up in front and not make a layered myriad of excuses


:ohno:
What article? The Reason one?

I dont get that take from the article at all- Ive said before (many times) that I find Presidents to be largely irrelevant, and I think way too many people in this country have way too much faith in government (the cult of the Presidency being one facet of this)

I used to have more respect for the office- but that was before I realized we likely have seen the last of the President who wasn't a preening, self important ass

Just because I'm not condemning Trump in every other post doesn't mean I approve- my hypocrisy radar is just more sensitive than my malfeasance radar

Dont worry though.... the latest PPP poll shows The Rock ahead of Trump
I just find the "timeliness" of the article suspicious at best...
For 8 years we were told how woefully unqualified Obama was
We were told how much he golfs instead of works
We were told how few his accomplishments were with congress

and 100 days after Trump is in office... out of the blue sky
We're told how hard it is to be president
and how difficult it is to get anything done

and finally we're told how we should all just "relax our expectations" of the office

Well f*ck me with a laser pointer...
I call bullshit on the whole thing
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Chizzang wrote:
CID1990 wrote:
What article? The Reason one?

I dont get that take from the article at all- Ive said before (many times) that I find Presidents to be largely irrelevant, and I think way too many people in this country have way too much faith in government (the cult of the Presidency being one facet of this)

I used to have more respect for the office- but that was before I realized we likely have seen the last of the President who wasn't a preening, self important ass

Just because I'm not condemning Trump in every other post doesn't mean I approve- my hypocrisy radar is just more sensitive than my malfeasance radar

Dont worry though.... the latest PPP poll shows The Rock ahead of Trump
I just find the "timeliness" of the article suspicious at best...
For 8 years we were told how woefully unqualified Obama was
We were told how much he golfs instead of works
We were told how few his accomplishments were with congress

and 100 days after Trump is in office... out of the blue sky
We're told how hard it is to be president
and how difficult it is to get anything done

and finally we're told how we should all just "relax our expectations" of the office

Well f*ck me with a laser pointer...
I call bullshit on the whole thing
Reason is fairly predictable- if you like creating regulations outside of the legislative process then they dont like you. Trump gets a little better treatment but theyve been hard on him as well- after all he's going to have to execute the biggest imminent domain taking of all to build his wall

you should read them more, clitz... when you arent hoarding tampoons


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Chizzang wrote:
CID1990 wrote:
What article? The Reason one?

I dont get that take from the article at all- Ive said before (many times) that I find Presidents to be largely irrelevant, and I think way too many people in this country have way too much faith in government (the cult of the Presidency being one facet of this)

I used to have more respect for the office- but that was before I realized we likely have seen the last of the President who wasn't a preening, self important ass

Just because I'm not condemning Trump in every other post doesn't mean I approve- my hypocrisy radar is just more sensitive than my malfeasance radar

Dont worry though.... the latest PPP poll shows The Rock ahead of Trump
I just find the "timeliness" of the article suspicious at best...
For 8 years we were told how woefully unqualified Obama was
We were told how much he golfs instead of works
We were told how few his accomplishments were with congress

and 100 days after Trump is in office... out of the blue sky
We're told how hard it is to be president
and how difficult it is to get anything done

and finally we're told how we should all just "relax our expectations" of the office

Well f*ck me with a laser pointer...
I call bullshit on the whole thing
He didn't realize how hard it would be and he likes his old life better. :cry:


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CID1990 wrote:
Chizzang wrote:
I just find the "timeliness" of the article suspicious at best...
For 8 years we were told how woefully unqualified Obama was
We were told how much he golfs instead of works
We were told how few his accomplishments were with congress

and 100 days after Trump is in office... out of the blue sky
We're told how hard it is to be president
and how difficult it is to get anything done

and finally we're told how we should all just "relax our expectations" of the office

Well f*ck me with a laser pointer...
I call bullshit on the whole thing
Reason is fairly predictable- if you like creating regulations outside of the legislative process then they dont like you. Trump gets a little better treatment but theyve been hard on him as well- after all he's going to have to execute the biggest imminent domain taking of all to build his wall

you should read them more, clitz... when you arent hoarding tampoons


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Ivytalk wrote:
CID1990 wrote:
Reason is fairly predictable- if you like creating regulations outside of the legislative process then they dont like you. Trump gets a little better treatment but theyve been hard on him as well- after all he's going to have to execute the biggest imminent domain taking of all to build his wall

you should read them more, clitz... when you arent hoarding tampoons


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Trump says: "Look at the way I have been treated lately, especially by the media," he said. "No politician in history, and I say this with great surety, has been treated worse or more unfairly.
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I don't recall seeing this on CNN

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... a8d918e738
An Egyptian American charity worker who was imprisoned in Cairo for three years and became the global face of Egypt’s brutal crackdown on civil society returned home to the United States late Thursday after the Trump administration quietly negotiated her release.

President Trump and his aides worked for several weeks with Egyptian President Abdel Fatah al-Sissi to secure the freedom of Aya Hijazi, 30, a U.S. citizen, as well as her husband, Mohamed Hassanein, who is Egyptian, and four other humanitarian workers. Trump dispatched a U.S. government aircraft to Cairo to bring Hijazi and her family to Washington.
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"The unmasking thing was all created by Devin Nunes"
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Fantastic. I just didn't recall that on CNN. :thumb:
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CID1990 wrote:
Ivytalk wrote: eminent
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Ivytalk wrote:
CID1990 wrote:
Fvck

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Gotta focus, CID. Fvcking Trump has made millions off of Kelo and depriving citizens of their property rights.
I know.

I mentioned back when he jumped into the race that he could be as big a statist as Hillary- EMINENT domain is one of his most often used tools and the statists love it
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