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BDKJMU wrote: Thu Feb 03, 2022 1:12 am 200k jobs had been expected to be gained in Jan. Instead over 300+k jobs lost. Way to go Brandon.
Payrolls rose far more than expected in January despite surging omicron cases that seemingly sent millions of workers to the sidelines, the Labor Department reported Friday.

Nonfarm payrolls surged by 467,000 for the month, while the unemployment rate edged higher to 4%, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. The Dow Jones estimate was for payroll growth of 150,000 and a 3.9% unemployment rate.

The stunning gain came a week after the White House warned that the numbers could be low due to the pandemic.

Covid cases, however, have plunged nationally in recent weeks, with the seven-day moving average down more than 50% since peaking in mid-January, according to the CDC. Most economists, while expecting January’s number to be weak, see a further rebound coming in the months ahead.

Along with the big upside surprise for January, massive revisions sent previous months considerably higher.

December, which initially was reported as a gain of 199,000, went up to 510,000. November surged to 647,000 from the previous reported 249,000. For the two months alone, the initial counts were revised up by 709,000. The revisions came as part of the annual adjustments from the BLS that saw sizeable changes for many of the months in 2021.

For January, the biggest employment gains came in leisure and hospitality, which saw 151,000 hires, 108,000 of which came from bars and restaurants. Professional and business services contributed 86,000, while retail was up 61,000.
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/02/04/jobs-re ... 2020-.html

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What gets me is that I think that by any objective standard one would have to say the United States is better off now than it was when Biden took office. There is basically one prominent negative: Inflation.

But when Biden took office things were in complete chaos. We were at the very worst point in the COVID-19 Pandemic. We are not at that point now.

2020 real GDP change was MINUS 3.4 percent. In 2021 it was PLUS 5.7.

When Biden took office the unemployment rate was 6.4 percent. It's 4.0 percent now.

The DJIA increased by 7.25% in 2020. It increased by 18.73% in 2021.

The economy lost 8.8 million jobs during 2020. It gained 6.1 million jobs in 2021.

Our allies no longer think we are led by a nut. I don't personally agree with the Afghanistan withdrawal and the way it was handled, but we are probably better off no longer being in Afghanistan.

One thing I can say for Trump is that he was good at claiming credit for the sunrise. Biden is not.
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JohnStOnge wrote: Fri Feb 04, 2022 7:21 pm What gets me is that I think that by any objective standard one would have to say the United States is better off now than it was when Biden took office. There is basically one prominent negative: Inflation.

But when Biden took office things were in complete chaos. We were at the very worst point in the COVID-19 Pandemic. We are not at that point now.

2020 real GDP change was MINUS 3.4 percent. In 2021 it was PLUS 5.7.

When Biden took office the unemployment rate was 6.4 percent. It's 4.0 percent now.

The DJIA increased by 7.25% in 2020. It increased by 18.73% in 2021.

The economy lost 8.8 million jobs during 2020. It gained 6.1 million jobs in 2021.

Our allies no longer think we are led by a nut. I don't personally agree with the Afghanistan withdrawal and the way it was handled, but we are probably better off no longer being in Afghanistan.

One thing I can say for Trump is that he was good at claiming credit for the sunrise. Biden is not.
:rofl: :rofl:

Gas?
Heating Oil?
Food?
Inflation?
Supply chain?
Afghanistan?
Ukraine?
China?

Yeah, it’s a miracle what he’s done. Lucky for him he gets to measure his first year against a year that saw a never-before-seen pandemic and that literally shut down the world. Let’s be brutally honest: A fucking trained monkey could be doing a better job than Biden.
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Ibanez wrote: Fri Feb 04, 2022 6:47 am
BDKJMU wrote: Thu Feb 03, 2022 1:12 am 200k jobs had been expected to be gained in Jan. Instead over 300+k jobs lost. Way to go Brandon.
Payrolls rose far more than expected in January despite surging omicron cases that seemingly sent millions of workers to the sidelines, the Labor Department reported Friday.

Nonfarm payrolls surged by 467,000 for the month, while the unemployment rate edged higher to 4%, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. The Dow Jones estimate was for payroll growth of 150,000 and a 3.9% unemployment rate.

The stunning gain came a week after the White House warned that the numbers could be low due to the pandemic.

Covid cases, however, have plunged nationally in recent weeks, with the seven-day moving average down more than 50% since peaking in mid-January, according to the CDC. Most economists, while expecting January’s number to be weak, see a further rebound coming in the months ahead.

Along with the big upside surprise for January, massive revisions sent previous months considerably higher.

December, which initially was reported as a gain of 199,000, went up to 510,000. November surged to 647,000 from the previous reported 249,000. For the two months alone, the initial counts were revised up by 709,000. The revisions came as part of the annual adjustments from the BLS that saw sizeable changes for many of the months in 2021.

For January, the biggest employment gains came in leisure and hospitality, which saw 151,000 hires, 108,000 of which came from bars and restaurants. Professional and business services contributed 86,000, while retail was up 61,000.
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/02/04/jobs-re ... 2020-.html

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JohnStOnge wrote:What gets me is that I think that by any objective standard one would have to say the United States is better off now than it was when Biden took office. There is basically one prominent negative: Inflation.

But when Biden took office things were in complete chaos. We were at the very worst point in the COVID-19 Pandemic. We are not at that point now.

2020 real GDP change was MINUS 3.4 percent. In 2021 it was PLUS 5.7.

When Biden took office the unemployment rate was 6.4 percent. It's 4.0 percent now.

The DJIA increased by 7.25% in 2020. It increased by 18.73% in 2021.

The economy lost 8.8 million jobs during 2020. It gained 6.1 million jobs in 2021.

Our allies no longer think we are led by a nut. I don't personally agree with the Afghanistan withdrawal and the way it was handled, but we are probably better off no longer being in Afghanistan.

One thing I can say for Trump is that he was good at claiming credit for the sunrise. Biden is not.
We are significantly worse off with our allies now than we were under Trump.

Our relationship with Putin has improved, though. We lifted all objections to Nordstream II. OPEC likes us better now too, since we are dependent on them again. We are also importing Russian petroleum (thats a win) AND in that same vein we managed to miff Canada. CANADA. We cancelled the pipeline with them

We are completely untrusted among our closest friends now - the Eastern EU countries like Poland and Hungary are wondering if they should not start making nice with Russia. Vietnam and the Philippines are hedging their bets with China

Yeah its all roses


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AZGrizFan wrote: Fri Feb 04, 2022 8:03 pm
JohnStOnge wrote: Fri Feb 04, 2022 7:21 pm What gets me is that I think that by any objective standard one would have to say the United States is better off now than it was when Biden took office. There is basically one prominent negative: Inflation.

But when Biden took office things were in complete chaos. We were at the very worst point in the COVID-19 Pandemic. We are not at that point now.

2020 real GDP change was MINUS 3.4 percent. In 2021 it was PLUS 5.7.

When Biden took office the unemployment rate was 6.4 percent. It's 4.0 percent now.

The DJIA increased by 7.25% in 2020. It increased by 18.73% in 2021.

The economy lost 8.8 million jobs during 2020. It gained 6.1 million jobs in 2021.

Our allies no longer think we are led by a nut. I don't personally agree with the Afghanistan withdrawal and the way it was handled, but we are probably better off no longer being in Afghanistan.

One thing I can say for Trump is that he was good at claiming credit for the sunrise. Biden is not.
:rofl: :rofl:

Gas?
Heating Oil?
Food?
Inflation?
Supply chain?
Afghanistan?
Ukraine?
China?

Yeah, it’s a miracle what he’s done. Lucky for him he gets to measure his first year against a year that saw a never-before-seen pandemic and that literally shut down the world. Let’s be brutally honest: A fucking trained monkey could be doing a better job than Biden.
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JohnStOnge wrote: Fri Feb 04, 2022 7:21 pm What gets me is that I think that by any objective standard one would have to say the United States is better off now than it was when Biden took office. There is basically one prominent negative: Inflation.

But when Biden took office things were in complete chaos. We were at the very worst point in the COVID-19 Pandemic. We are not at that point now.

2020 real GDP change was MINUS 3.4 percent. In 2021 it was PLUS 5.7.

When Biden took office the unemployment rate was 6.4 percent. It's 4.0 percent now.

The DJIA increased by 7.25% in 2020. It increased by 18.73% in 2021.

The economy lost 8.8 million jobs during 2020. It gained 6.1 million jobs in 2021.

Our allies no longer think we are led by a nut. I don't personally agree with the Afghanistan withdrawal and the way it was handled, but we are probably better off no longer being in Afghanistan.

One thing I can say for Trump is that he was good at claiming credit for the sunrise. Biden is not.
How does it look if you break down real GDP, unemployment, DJIA and jobs by month over 2020 and 2021? It would be interesting to see which measures started to turn around during Trump's presidency (you wouldn't give Trump credit for the economic records set during his administration because the turnaround started during Obama's presidency and it would be intellectually dishonest for you not to use the same approach here) and also the impact of the vaccine that Trump fast-tracked.
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CID1990 wrote: Fri Feb 04, 2022 9:55 pm
JohnStOnge wrote:What gets me is that I think that by any objective standard one would have to say the United States is better off now than it was when Biden took office. There is basically one prominent negative: Inflation.

But when Biden took office things were in complete chaos. We were at the very worst point in the COVID-19 Pandemic. We are not at that point now.

2020 real GDP change was MINUS 3.4 percent. In 2021 it was PLUS 5.7.

When Biden took office the unemployment rate was 6.4 percent. It's 4.0 percent now.

The DJIA increased by 7.25% in 2020. It increased by 18.73% in 2021.

The economy lost 8.8 million jobs during 2020. It gained 6.1 million jobs in 2021.

Our allies no longer think we are led by a nut. I don't personally agree with the Afghanistan withdrawal and the way it was handled, but we are probably better off no longer being in Afghanistan.

One thing I can say for Trump is that he was good at claiming credit for the sunrise. Biden is not.
We are significantly worse off with our allies now than we were under Trump.

Our relationship with Putin has improved, though. We lifted all objections to Nordstream II. OPEC likes us better now too, since we are dependent on them again. We are also importing Russian petroleum (thats a win) AND in that same vein we managed to miff Canada. CANADA. We cancelled the pipeline with them

We are completely untrusted among our closest friends now - the Eastern EU countries like Poland and Hungary are wondering if they should not start making nice with Russia. Vietnam and the Philippines are hedging their bets with China

Yeah its all roses


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And I’m sure in about 25 days Hong Kong will LOVE Biden….once they’re overrun and part of China for certain.
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AZGrizFan wrote: Fri Feb 04, 2022 8:03 pm
JohnStOnge wrote: Fri Feb 04, 2022 7:21 pm What gets me is that I think that by any objective standard one would have to say the United States is better off now than it was when Biden took office. There is basically one prominent negative: Inflation.

But when Biden took office things were in complete chaos. We were at the very worst point in the COVID-19 Pandemic. We are not at that point now.

2020 real GDP change was MINUS 3.4 percent. In 2021 it was PLUS 5.7.

When Biden took office the unemployment rate was 6.4 percent. It's 4.0 percent now.

The DJIA increased by 7.25% in 2020. It increased by 18.73% in 2021.

The economy lost 8.8 million jobs during 2020. It gained 6.1 million jobs in 2021.

Our allies no longer think we are led by a nut. I don't personally agree with the Afghanistan withdrawal and the way it was handled, but we are probably better off no longer being in Afghanistan.

One thing I can say for Trump is that he was good at claiming credit for the sunrise. Biden is not.
:rofl: :rofl:

Gas?
Heating Oil?
Food?
Inflation?
Supply chain?
Afghanistan?
Ukraine?
China?

Yeah, it’s a miracle what he’s done. Lucky for him he gets to measure his first year against a year that saw a never-before-seen pandemic and that literally shut down the world. Let’s be brutally honest: A fucking trained monkey could be doing a better job than Biden.
To be fair, inflation was going to happen regardless of who was President last year. And I'm not sure what more he really could've done with the supply chain - one of the biggest problems was employment and state regulations. IIRC, he allowed some Fed Regulations to be relaxed but short of nationalizing the trucking industry, i'm not exactly sure what more he could have done but i'm open to more information on it.

But that's it. Afghanistan was the cluster of all fucks and there is zero excuse or explanation for it. Ukraine is a bad game of telephone where even the Ukrainians are telling him to STFU. :ohno: It's damn Greek tragedy. :twocents:
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Ibanez wrote: Mon Feb 07, 2022 5:38 am
AZGrizFan wrote: Fri Feb 04, 2022 8:03 pm

:rofl: :rofl:

Gas?
Heating Oil?
Food?
Inflation?
Supply chain?
Afghanistan?
Ukraine?
China?

Yeah, it’s a miracle what he’s done. Lucky for him he gets to measure his first year against a year that saw a never-before-seen pandemic and that literally shut down the world. Let’s be brutally honest: A fucking trained monkey could be doing a better job than Biden.
To be fair, inflation was going to happen regardless of who was President last year. And I'm not sure what more he really could've done with the supply chain - one of the biggest problems was employment and state regulations. IIRC, he allowed some Fed Regulations to be relaxed but short of nationalizing the trucking industry, i'm not exactly sure what more he could have done but i'm open to more information on it.

But that's it. Afghanistan was the cluster of all fucks and there is zero excuse or explanation for it. Ukraine is a bad game of telephone where even the Ukrainians are telling him to STFU. :ohno: It's damn Greek tragedy. :twocents:
Keep drilling down. Keep asking "why?". You're getting warmer. :coffee:
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Ibanez wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote: Fri Feb 04, 2022 8:03 pm :rofl: :rofl:

Gas?
Heating Oil?
Food?
Inflation?
Supply chain?
Afghanistan?
Ukraine?
China?

Yeah, it’s a miracle what he’s done. Lucky for him he gets to measure his first year against a year that saw a never-before-seen pandemic and that literally shut down the world. Let’s be brutally honest: A fucking trained monkey could be doing a better job than Biden.
To be fair, inflation was going to happen regardless of who was President last year. And I'm not sure what more he really could've done with the supply chain - one of the biggest problems was employment and state regulations. IIRC, he allowed some Fed Regulations to be relaxed but short of nationalizing the trucking industry, i'm not exactly sure what more he could have done but i'm open to more information on it.

But that's it. Afghanistan was the cluster of all fucks and there is zero excuse or explanation for it. Ukraine is a bad game of telephone where even the Ukrainians are telling him to STFU. :ohno: It's damn Greek tragedy. :twocents:
I’m not sure there was a whole lot they could have done about the supply chain issues, either.

But obfuscating and lying about the causes was also the exact opposite of what they should have done.

Not that any political operation would do it, what whatever became wrong with a little straight talk? Denying there is a problem or being snarky about it (Psaki - peloton machines) or saying it is transient, or trying to push the biggest spending bills EVER through Congress is just the height of tone-deafness.


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CAA Flagship wrote: Mon Feb 07, 2022 6:28 am
Ibanez wrote: Mon Feb 07, 2022 5:38 am

To be fair, inflation was going to happen regardless of who was President last year. And I'm not sure what more he really could've done with the supply chain - one of the biggest problems was employment and state regulations. IIRC, he allowed some Fed Regulations to be relaxed but short of nationalizing the trucking industry, i'm not exactly sure what more he could have done but i'm open to more information on it.

But that's it. Afghanistan was the cluster of all fucks and there is zero excuse or explanation for it. Ukraine is a bad game of telephone where even the Ukrainians are telling him to STFU. :ohno: It's damn Greek tragedy. :twocents:
Keep drilling down. Keep asking "why?". You're getting warmer. :coffee:
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CID1990 wrote: Mon Feb 07, 2022 6:40 am
Ibanez wrote:
To be fair, inflation was going to happen regardless of who was President last year. And I'm not sure what more he really could've done with the supply chain - one of the biggest problems was employment and state regulations. IIRC, he allowed some Fed Regulations to be relaxed but short of nationalizing the trucking industry, i'm not exactly sure what more he could have done but i'm open to more information on it.

But that's it. Afghanistan was the cluster of all fucks and there is zero excuse or explanation for it. Ukraine is a bad game of telephone where even the Ukrainians are telling him to STFU. :ohno: It's damn Greek tragedy. :twocents:
I’m not sure there was a whole lot they could have done about the supply chain issues, either.

But obfuscating and lying about the causes was also the exact opposite of what they should have done.

Not that any political operation would do it, what whatever became wrong with a little straight talk? Denying there is a problem or being snarky about it (Psaki - peloton machines) or saying it is transient, or trying to push the biggest spending bills EVER through Congress is just the height of tone-deafness.


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I don't disagree a bit. I would have more sympathy and respect if a leader went on TV and gave us something from the Straight Talk Express. That person would be a real Maverick. :thumb:

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CID1990 wrote: Mon Feb 07, 2022 6:40 am
Ibanez wrote:
To be fair, inflation was going to happen regardless of who was President last year. And I'm not sure what more he really could've done with the supply chain - one of the biggest problems was employment and state regulations. IIRC, he allowed some Fed Regulations to be relaxed but short of nationalizing the trucking industry, i'm not exactly sure what more he could have done but i'm open to more information on it.

But that's it. Afghanistan was the cluster of all fucks and there is zero excuse or explanation for it. Ukraine is a bad game of telephone where even the Ukrainians are telling him to STFU. :ohno: It's damn Greek tragedy. :twocents:
I’m not sure there was a whole lot they could have done about the supply chain issues, either.

But obfuscating and lying about the causes was also the exact opposite of what they should have done.

Not that any political operation would do it, what whatever became wrong with a little straight talk? Denying there is a problem or being snarky about it (Psaki - peloton machines) or saying it is transient, or trying to push the biggest spending bills EVER through Congress is just the height of tone-deafness.


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Disagree on the supply chain. The blue state governors (which control 95% of the ports of entry) exacerbated the problem with their draconian responses to covid cases, their green new deal bullshit requirements from the truckers, and their handouts that allowed people to sit at home on their asses and collect a paycheck for two years. There are literally hundreds of boatloads of stuff sitting on ships of every harbor in America waiting to be unloaded.
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Ibanez wrote: Mon Feb 07, 2022 5:38 am
AZGrizFan wrote: Fri Feb 04, 2022 8:03 pm

:rofl: :rofl:

Gas?
Heating Oil?
Food?
Inflation?
Supply chain?
Afghanistan?
Ukraine?
China?

Yeah, it’s a miracle what he’s done. Lucky for him he gets to measure his first year against a year that saw a never-before-seen pandemic and that literally shut down the world. Let’s be brutally honest: A fucking trained monkey could be doing a better job than Biden.
To be fair, inflation was going to happen regardless of who was President last year. And I'm not sure what more he really could've done with the supply chain - one of the biggest problems was employment and state regulations. IIRC, he allowed some Fed Regulations to be relaxed but short of nationalizing the trucking industry, i'm not exactly sure what more he could have done but i'm open to more information on it.

But that's it. Afghanistan was the cluster of all fucks and there is zero excuse or explanation for it. Ukraine is a bad game of telephone where even the Ukrainians are telling him to STFU. :ohno: It's damn Greek tragedy. :twocents:
What would oil and heating oil and natural gas look like if we were still energy independent? And see ^^^^ above email for my response to the supply chain issues.
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AZGrizFan wrote: Mon Feb 07, 2022 9:52 am
Ibanez wrote: Mon Feb 07, 2022 5:38 am

To be fair, inflation was going to happen regardless of who was President last year. And I'm not sure what more he really could've done with the supply chain - one of the biggest problems was employment and state regulations. IIRC, he allowed some Fed Regulations to be relaxed but short of nationalizing the trucking industry, i'm not exactly sure what more he could have done but i'm open to more information on it.

But that's it. Afghanistan was the cluster of all fucks and there is zero excuse or explanation for it. Ukraine is a bad game of telephone where even the Ukrainians are telling him to STFU. :ohno: It's damn Greek tragedy. :twocents:
What would oil and heating oil and natural gas look like if we were still energy independent? And see ^^^^ above email for my response to the supply chain issues.
1) Were we really truly independent? That means zero imports. You're talking about reducing our imports. I don't believe it's that simple.
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2) Supply Chain - Blame the Gov's all you want and their policies. That isn't Biden. :lol: There were some actions the President could have taken to help get the ships emptied but on the whole, that problem was exacerbated by increased spending and state regulations, which I mentioned.
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BTW - i'm not looking to argue. I'm simply trying to make sure I understand your position. Only the Woke/JSO Brigade believe everything is fine and dandy and we've been delivered from evil..amen.
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Ibanez wrote: Mon Feb 07, 2022 10:47 am
AZGrizFan wrote: Mon Feb 07, 2022 9:52 am

What would oil and heating oil and natural gas look like if we were still energy independent? And see ^^^^ above email for my response to the supply chain issues.
1) Were we really truly independent? That means zero imports. You're talking about reducing our imports. I don't believe it's that simple.
The United States became a net total energy exporter in 2019 for the first time since 1952 and maintained that position in 2020 even though both total energy production and consumption were lower in 2020 than in 2019. Total U.S. energy exports exceeded total energy imports by 3.46 quadrillion British thermal units (quads) in 2020, the largest margin on record. U.S. energy exports in 2020 totaled 23.47 quads, and energy imports fell 13% to 20.0 quads, the lowest level since 1992.
https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/us- ... xports.php

2) Supply Chain - Blame the Gov's all you want and their policies. That isn't Biden. :lol: There were some actions the President could have taken to help get the ships emptied but on the whole, that problem was exacerbated by increased spending and state regulations, which I mentioned.
I’m talking about producing more than we use. And yes, we were.

It surely IS Biden. He could override the policies that have led to this 2-year+ debacle, but instead his DOT head is too busy on his “paternity” leave to bother to fucking clock in for work and try and actually solve it.

Problem was NOT exacerbated by spending. THat is a myth.
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AZGrizFan wrote: Mon Feb 07, 2022 2:35 pm
Ibanez wrote: Mon Feb 07, 2022 10:47 am

1) Were we really truly independent? That means zero imports. You're talking about reducing our imports. I don't believe it's that simple.


https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/us- ... xports.php

2) Supply Chain - Blame the Gov's all you want and their policies. That isn't Biden. :lol: There were some actions the President could have taken to help get the ships emptied but on the whole, that problem was exacerbated by increased spending and state regulations, which I mentioned.
I’m talking about producing more than we use. And yes, we were.

It surely IS Biden. He could override the policies that have led to this 2-year+ debacle, but instead his DOT head is too busy on his “paternity” leave to bother to fucking clock in for work and try and actually solve it.

Problem was NOT exacerbated by spending. THat is a myth.
We were zero imports? Wouldn't that be the essence of true independence?
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AZGrizFan wrote: Mon Feb 07, 2022 2:35 pm
Ibanez wrote: Mon Feb 07, 2022 10:47 am
1) Were we really truly independent? That means zero imports. You're talking about reducing our imports. I don't believe it's that simple.

https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/us- ... xports.php

2) Supply Chain - Blame the Gov's all you want and their policies. That isn't Biden. :lol: There were some actions the President could have taken to help get the ships emptied but on the whole, that problem was exacerbated by increased spending and state regulations, which I mentioned.
I’m talking about producing more than we use. And yes, we were.

It surely IS Biden. He could override the policies that have led to this 2-year+ debacle, but instead his DOT head is too busy on his “paternity” leave to bother to fucking clock in for work and try and actually solve it.

Problem was NOT exacerbated by spending. THat is a myth.
How could he override the policies that led to this 2-year+ debacle? If it's a 2+ year debacle, why didn't Trump override them?

I'm not a big fan of Presidential mandates.
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UNI88 wrote: Mon Feb 07, 2022 3:55 pm
AZGrizFan wrote: Mon Feb 07, 2022 2:35 pm

I’m talking about producing more than we use. And yes, we were.

It surely IS Biden. He could override the policies that have led to this 2-year+ debacle, but instead his DOT head is too busy on his “paternity” leave to bother to fucking clock in for work and try and actually solve it.

Problem was NOT exacerbated by spending. THat is a myth.
How could he override the policies that led to this 2-year+ debacle? If it's a 2+ year debacle, why didn't Trump override them?

I'm not a big fan of Presidential mandates.
Outside of the initial hoarding that occurred immediately following the onset, the real supply chain issues didn’t manifest themselves until several months later. And let’s be honest, ANYTHING Trump would have tried to do would have immediately been set upon by the blue states as tyranny.
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Ibanez wrote: Mon Feb 07, 2022 2:36 pm
AZGrizFan wrote: Mon Feb 07, 2022 2:35 pm

I’m talking about producing more than we use. And yes, we were.

It surely IS Biden. He could override the policies that have led to this 2-year+ debacle, but instead his DOT head is too busy on his “paternity” leave to bother to fucking clock in for work and try and actually solve it.

Problem was NOT exacerbated by spending. THat is a myth.
We were zero imports? Wouldn't that be the essence of true independence?
We were the #1 oil producing country on the planet. We produced more than we consumed. We sold some and imported some. Still independent.
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AZGrizFan wrote:
Ibanez wrote: Mon Feb 07, 2022 2:36 pm We were zero imports? Wouldn't that be the essence of true independence?
We were the #1 oil producing country on the planet. We produced more than we consumed. We sold some and imported some. Still independent.
According to https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=709&t=6


We still are #1.


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Ibanez wrote: Mon Feb 07, 2022 7:05 pm
AZGrizFan wrote:
We were the #1 oil producing country on the planet. We produced more than we consumed. We sold some and imported some. Still independent.
According to https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=709&t=6


We still are #1.


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