The Ukraine Crisis

[kalm]

Is Trump truly this stupid or does he think his followers are this stupid?

The US president, Donald Trump, has made a number of at best controversial – and at worst outright false and misleading – statements about Ukraine and its president, Volodymyr Zelenskyy, while praising the progress made in US-Russia talks in Riyadh, S

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... SApp_Other

[UNI88]

Is Trump truly this stupid or does he think his followers are this stupid?

The US president, Donald Trump, has made a number of at best controversial – and at worst outright false and misleading – statements about Ukraine and its president, Volodymyr Zelenskyy, while praising the progress made in US-Russia talks in Riyadh, S

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... SApp_Other

On Ukraine’s responsibility for starting war
The facts: Russia’s invasion of Ukraine was unprovoked and widely condemned by the international community as an act of aggression.
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Zelenskyy is deeply unpopular and blocking elections
The facts: While Zelenskyy’s popularity has declined since the start of the full-scale invasion, a February poll by the Kyiv International Institute of Sociology found that 57% of Ukrainians trusted the president, up from 52% in December.
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US gives more aid to Ukraine than Europe
The facts: There are many numbers swirling around, with different methodologies used to calculate individual contributions.

The Kiel Institute for the World Economy’s Ukraine Support Tracker shows that Europe – counted as the sum of the EU and individual member states – has allocated €132.3bn (£109.6bn/$137.9bn) in help for Ukraine, ahead of €114.2bn from the US. It has also committed a further €115bn, according to the tracker.
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The largest contributions as a percentage of GDP were made by Estonia and Denmark (2.5%), Lithuania (2.1%), Latvia (1.8%), Finland (1.3%), Sweden and Poland (1.2%).
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Russia is not deploying its full military potential in Ukraine
The facts: Russia has unleashed the full force of its military – including missiles and long-range artillery – on Ukrainian cities, causing widespread destruction, particularly in the east.
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Russia wants to stop the war
The facts: Russian officials, including President Vladimir Putin, have repeatedly stated they will not halt fighting in Ukraine until all of Moscow’s objectives are met – whether through diplomacy or military force.

[Skjellyfetti]

oh, all those talking points sounds familiar...

[UNI88]

oh, all those talking points sounds familiar...

Is trump a putin fan boi, helping him spread his propaganda (FAKE NEWS)?

[Bobcat]

Zelenski is just unlikable. So much so I am almost starting to want Vladdy the Baddy to win this thing, just to get it over with and stop the flow of our tax dollars that should never go over seas for any reason.

[houndawg]

Zelenski is just unlikable. So much so I am almost starting to want Vladdy the Baddy to win this thing, just to get it over with and stop the flow of our tax dollars that should never go over seas for any reason.

...how's that Russian dick taste, Bobbie?

[houndawg]

Is Trump truly this stupid or does he think his followers are this stupid?

The US president, Donald Trump, has made a number of at best controversial – and at worst outright false and misleading – statements about Ukraine and its president, Volodymyr Zelenskyy, while praising the progress made in US-Russia talks in Riyadh, S

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... SApp_Other

He hopes they are because if he doesn't make the sale Vladimir is going to be disappointed. So disappointed that the Epstein Papers could find their way into public view....

[Bobcat]

Zelenski is just unlikable. So much so I am almost starting to want Vladdy the Baddy to win this thing, just to get it over with and stop the flow of our tax dollars that should never go over seas for any reason.

...how's that Russian dick taste, Bobbie?

Better than a free handout Mr Dicktaster

[kalm]

oh, all those talking points sounds familiar...

No shit.

But make no mistake: just as France and Britain once closed their eyes to Hitler’s threat, we are now living in the early hours of a devastating conflict born of men too weak to stand for what is right.

It was Neville Chamberlain who gave appeasement its most infamous face. This weekend, we learned Chamberlain was a rookie.

For a genuinely catastrophic betrayal of the West, look no further than the staggering realignment ordered by Donald Trump this week. In just five days, America has become a client state of Russia, subservient, obedient, and just as accepting of the slaughter and evil for which Vladimir Putin is famous.

Somewhere down in hell, Hitler is wishing he’d had Trump to negotiate with in World War II. We would have dropped Fat Man on London, and Little Boy on Birmingham.

https://therickwilson.substack.com/p/tr ... irect=true

[Bobcat]

Wow, Rick Wilson! LOL you should post more Swallowwell posts! Maybe Chris Murphy!

Such integrity and vision

[kalm]

Wow, Rick Wilson! LOL you should post more Swallowwell posts! Maybe Chris Murphy!

Such integrity and vision

Wilson, Tim Miller, shit…even Bill Kristol get it. The bulwark YouTube channel is informative.

There are many former Republicans who avoided the cult. Dems need to listen to them more.

[UNI88]

Wow, Rick Wilson! LOL you should post more Swallowwell posts! Maybe Chris Murphy!

Such integrity and vision

Wilson, Tim Miller, shit…even Bill Kristol get it. The bulwark YouTube channel is informative.

There are many former Republicans who avoided the cult. Dems need to listen to them more.

Rick Wilson is about as partisan and reliable as tucker, hannity, musk etc.

It might be accurate to say Chamberlain was a rookie compared to trump in a few years but as of right now that's partisan hyperbole.

[BDKJMU]

oh, all those talking points sounds familiar...

No shit.

But make no mistake: just as France and Britain once closed their eyes to Hitler’s threat, we are now living in the early hours of a devastating conflict born of men too weak to stand for what is right.

It was Neville Chamberlain who gave appeasement its most infamous face. This weekend, we learned Chamberlain was a rookie.

For a genuinely catastrophic betrayal of the West, look no further than the staggering realignment ordered by Donald Trump this week. In just five days, America has become a client state of Russia, subservient, obedient, and just as accepting of the slaughter and evil for which Vladimir Putin is famous.

Somewhere down in hell, Hitler is wishing he’d had Trump to negotiate with in World War II. We would have dropped Fat Man on London, and Little Boy on Birmingham.

https://therickwilson.substack.com/p/tr ... irect=true

There we go again with the absurd Putin and Hitler comparison made by a guy who was a member of a Pedo group. Russia obviously had (and has) ZERO chance of conquering Europe like Hitler did in 1938 when Chamberlain signed the Munich agreement.

[Bobcat]

Wow, Rick Wilson! LOL you should post more Swallowwell posts! Maybe Chris Murphy!

Such integrity and vision

Wilson, Tim Miller, shit…even Bill Kristol get it. The bulwark YouTube channel is informative.

There are many former Republicans who avoided the cult. Dems need to listen to them more.

We are glad they are former republicans. Add Kinzinger to that shit list

Tells you they never really were. Good riddance

[kalm]

Wilson, Tim Miller, shit…even Bill Kristol get it. The bulwark YouTube channel is informative.

There are many former Republicans who avoided the cult. Dems need to listen to them more.

Rick Wilson is about as partisan and reliable as tucker, hannity, musk etc.

It might be accurate to say Chamberlain was a rookie compared to trump in a few years but as of right now that's partisan hyperbole.

You do know Wilson is a long time Republican, right? And while it’s hyperbole (it’s kind of his style-think shock jock meets conservative pundit) he’s been pretty damn accurate when it comes to Trump - and that’s going back 2015.

Immediately after the election, the Dems got skewered over the “hyperbole” of fascism and defending democracy. That may not have helped with the election (strategy vs. honesty) but it’s proving to be accurate.

[kalm]

Wilson, Tim Miller, shit…even Bill Kristol get it. The bulwark YouTube channel is informative.

There are many former Republicans who avoided the cult. Dems need to listen to them more.

We are glad they are former republicans. Add Kinzinger to that shit list

Tells you they never really were. Good riddance

Says the guy who voted Dem until Biden and is not a Trump fan.

[kalm]

No shit.



https://therickwilson.substack.com/p/tr ... irect=true

There we go again with the absurd Putin and Hitler comparison made by a guy who was a member of a Pedo group. Russia obviously had (and has) ZERO chance of conquering Europe like Hitler did in 1938 when Chamberlain signed the Munich agreement.

So it’s now a pedo “group” ? That’s what they were all about? You mean similar to the countless Republican politicians, pundits, and preachers?

You must have a winning argument, continuing to go back to that well with zero introspection of your own party.

[UNI88]

No shit.

https://therickwilson.substack.com/p/tr ... irect=true

There we go again with the absurd Putin and Hitler comparison made by a guy who was a member of a Pedo group. Russia obviously had (and has) ZERO chance of conquering Europe like Hitler did in 1938 when Chamberlain signed the Munich agreement.

The irony of qaetz/qym jordan defenders calling the something a "pedo group" is rich.

[BDKJMU]

Rick Wilson is about as partisan and reliable as tucker, hannity, musk etc.

It might be accurate to say Chamberlain was a rookie compared to trump in a few years but as of right now that's partisan hyperbole.

You do know Wilson is a long time Republican, right? And while it’s hyperbole (it’s kind of his style-think shock jock meets conservative pundit) he’s been pretty damn accurate when it comes to Trump - and that’s going back 2015.

Immediately after the election, the Dems got skewered over the “hyperbole” of fascism and defending democracy. That may not have helped with the election (strategy vs. honesty) but it’s proving to be accurate.

Lol no it’s not.

[kalm]

You do know Wilson is a long time Republican, right? And while it’s hyperbole (it’s kind of his style-think shock jock meets conservative pundit) he’s been pretty damn accurate when it comes to Trump - and that’s going back 2015.

Immediately after the election, the Dems got skewered over the “hyperbole” of fascism and defending democracy. That may not have helped with the election (strategy vs. honesty) but it’s proving to be accurate.

Lol no it’s not.

You support a fascist/authoritarian movement. I know that’s difficult to accept and I don’t expect you to agree with it.

[BDKJMU]

Lol no it’s not.

You support a fascist/authoritarian movement. I know that’s difficult to accept and I don’t expect you to agree with it.

We have nothing close a fascist/authoritarian movement. I know that’s difficult to accept and I don’t expect you to agree with it.

[kalm]

You support a fascist/authoritarian movement. I know that’s difficult to accept and I don’t expect you to agree with it.

We have nothing close a fascist/authoritarian movement. I know that’s difficult to accept and I don’t expect you to agree with it.

Authoritarian nationalistic movement that protects corporatism and wealthy industrialists and rallies the foot soldiers by othering non-conformist groups.

Like I said. I don’t expect you to ever admit it.

[UNI88]

You support a fascist/authoritarian movement. I know that’s difficult to accept and I don’t expect you to agree with it.

We have nothing close a fascist/authoritarian movement. I know that’s difficult to accept and I don’t expect you to agree with it.

trump has taken us closer to a fascist/authoritarian government in 1 month than biden did in 4 years though. So there is cause for concern.

[kalm]

We have nothing close a fascist/authoritarian movement. I know that’s difficult to accept and I don’t expect you to agree with it.

trump has taken us closer to a fascist/authoritarian government in 1 month than biden did in 4 years though. So there is cause for concern.

Hence my framing: “the movement”. We aren’t there yet and there are forces beyond MuskTrumps control that will be in play. But their movement is undeniably fascistic.

[Bobcat]

Zero cause for concern because Trump is doing this for Americans not the corporations. He is making things harder on them not the people.

Doesnt matter what you think anyway, its going to happen and we voted for it. Just like when Biden cheated and ruined the country for 4 years.