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This doesn’t sound fascist actually socialist :lol: Trumps got everyone covered with his diversity…

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Trump cares about others TOO much, thats the problem
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UNI88 wrote: Wed Feb 19, 2025 1:15 pm
kalm wrote: Wed Feb 19, 2025 12:53 pm

Wilson, Tim Miller, shit…even Bill Kristol get it. The bulwark YouTube channel is informative.

There are many former Republicans who avoided the cult. Dems need to listen to them more.
:suspicious: Rick Wilson is about as partisan and reliable as tucker, hannity, musk etc.

It might be accurate to say Chamberlain was a rookie compared to trump in a few years but as of right now that's partisan hyperbole.
I disagree - taking seized territory and NATO membership off the table before negotiations have started? Negotiations for what? There is nothing left to negotiate
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Bobcat wrote: Thu Feb 20, 2025 12:57 pm Trump cares about others TOO much, thats the problem
These billionaires working tirelessly around-the-clock on behalf of the working class are an inspiration to us all. :coffee:
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Trump’s attempts to denigrate Zelenskyy have led to a surge in Ukrainian unity
Over three years of war, Ukraine’s initial unity had started to wear thin, as old frictions and political spats reemerged. But after Trump’s false claims this week that Ukraine is led by a “dictator” who started the war with Russia, even some of President Volodymyr Zelenskyy’s harshest critics have rallied around him and feelings of unity have surged again.

“Yes, he’s not a perfect president, but he’s not a dictator,” said Kateryna Karaush, a 25-year-old tech worker from Kyiv who like many Ukrainians — and even some Republicans in Congress — is struggling to wrap her head around Trump's embrace of Russia, which represents a major about-face in U.S. foreign policy.

“It feels like the whole world is against us," Karaush said.
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“We may have different opinions about Zelenskyy, but only Ukrainian citizens have the right to judge his support,” said Yaroslav Zhelezniak, a lawmaker from the opposition party Holos. “And to publicly criticize him too, because, in the end, he is our elected leader.”
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UNI88 wrote:Trump’s attempts to denigrate Zelenskyy have led to a surge in Ukrainian unity
Over three years of war, Ukraine’s initial unity had started to wear thin, as old frictions and political spats reemerged. But after Trump’s false claims this week that Ukraine is led by a “dictator” who started the war with Russia, even some of President Volodymyr Zelenskyy’s harshest critics have rallied around him and feelings of unity have surged again.

“Yes, he’s not a perfect president, but he’s not a dictator,” said Kateryna Karaush, a 25-year-old tech worker from Kyiv who like many Ukrainians — and even some Republicans in Congress — is struggling to wrap her head around Trump's embrace of Russia, which represents a major about-face in U.S. foreign policy.

“It feels like the whole world is against us," Karaush said.
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“We may have different opinions about Zelenskyy, but only Ukrainian citizens have the right to judge his support,” said Yaroslav Zhelezniak, a lawmaker from the opposition party Holos. “And to publicly criticize him too, because, in the end, he is our elected leader.”
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houndawg wrote: Fri Feb 21, 2025 8:13 am
Bobcat wrote: Thu Feb 20, 2025 12:57 pm Trump cares about others TOO much, thats the problem
These billionaires working tirelessly around-the-clock on behalf of the working class are an inspiration to us all. :coffee:
At least they work unlike half this country that wants free shit
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Bobcat wrote: Fri Feb 21, 2025 2:03 pm
houndawg wrote: Fri Feb 21, 2025 8:13 am

These billionaires working tirelessly around-the-clock on behalf of the working class are an inspiration to us all. :coffee:
At least they work unlike half this country that wants free shit
You're way behind the curve Roberta
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UKRAINE: French police say Zelensky’s defense ministry official stole $46M not the reported $40M, buying a Villa in France for $2,500,000, a vinyard for $6,500,000 and 27 land plots for $1,000,000. How many billions were looted by Zelensky’s other associates?

haha I remember when our self-appointed geniuses were all saying the Ukraine was not corrupt
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Caribbean Hen wrote: Sat Feb 22, 2025 8:14 am UKRAINE: French police say Zelensky’s defense ministry official stole $46M not the reported $40M, buying a Villa in France for $2,500,000, a vinyard for $6,500,000 and 27 land plots for $1,000,000. How many billions were looted by Zelensky’s other associates?

haha I remember when our self-appointed geniuses were all saying the Ukraine was not corrupt
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A solid breakdown by the retired head of MI6 on Putin, Trump, how Europe is not yet prepared for what’s coming, and the destruction of our the U.S. most secure alliance in NATO. Putin will not give up on his imperialism despite enduring massive losses. A changing of the order is occurring. This is not good in any way for us.

Well worth the watch.

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kalm wrote: Sat Feb 22, 2025 8:19 am
Caribbean Hen wrote: Sat Feb 22, 2025 8:14 am UKRAINE: French police say Zelensky’s defense ministry official stole $46M not the reported $40M, buying a Villa in France for $2,500,000, a vinyard for $6,500,000 and 27 land plots for $1,000,000. How many billions were looted by Zelensky’s other associates?

haha I remember when our self-appointed geniuses were all saying the Ukraine was not corrupt
Link?
outside on your golf course
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Caribbean Hen wrote: Sat Feb 22, 2025 8:59 am
kalm wrote: Sat Feb 22, 2025 8:19 am

Link?
outside on your golf course
Right. So you’re pulling more out of your ass or from a far right source you’re too embarrassed to share. :lol:

Btw…a true links course sits on the dunes and land immediately adjacent to the sea. My course is 275 miles inland.

Dork.
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Caribbean Hen wrote: Sat Feb 22, 2025 8:59 am
kalm wrote: Sat Feb 22, 2025 8:19 am

Link?
outside on your golf course
Nevermind. I found the source for you. Note there is no actual link to the story, just a headline pic. Also note who Elon is tipping his hat to in the retweet. :lol:


Bowes addressed the UN Security Council at Russia's invitation in 29 June 2023.[16] He was introduced as a "scholar specialising in small arms and munitions" and criticized NATO's role in the Russo-Ukrainian war.[2] He described the war as a NATO-driven proxy conflict, warning of unregulated arms flooding into Ukraine.[2] Russia defended Bowes, while Ukraine's ambassador dismissed him as a "Russian stooge".[2] His UN appearance was part of Russia's effort to shift blame for the war onto the West.[2]
Bowes has worked for the Russian state media network RT, and portrays the West as the antagonist in Russia's war on Ukraine. His views, aligned with Kremlin viewpoints, positions him as a key figure in disseminating pro-Russian narratives.[1][17] Following the invasion of the Kursk Oblast by Ukrainian troops, Bowes described it as "Ukraines last ditch roll of the Dice". He also said that the invasion by the "corrupt Kiev elites" was ordered by "their masters in London and Washington".[18]
Bowes lives in Russia.[
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kalm wrote: Sat Feb 22, 2025 9:37 am
Caribbean Hen wrote: Sat Feb 22, 2025 8:59 am

outside on your golf course
Nevermind. I found the source for you. Note there is no actual link to the story, just a headline pic. Also note who Elon is tipping his hat to in the retweet. :lol:


Bowes addressed the UN Security Council at Russia's invitation in 29 June 2023.[16] He was introduced as a "scholar specialising in small arms and munitions" and criticized NATO's role in the Russo-Ukrainian war.[2] He described the war as a NATO-driven proxy conflict, warning of unregulated arms flooding into Ukraine.[2] Russia defended Bowes, while Ukraine's ambassador dismissed him as a "Russian stooge".[2] His UN appearance was part of Russia's effort to shift blame for the war onto the West.[2]
Bowes has worked for the Russian state media network RT, and portrays the West as the antagonist in Russia's war on Ukraine. His views, aligned with Kremlin viewpoints, positions him as a key figure in disseminating pro-Russian narratives.[1][17] Following the invasion of the Kursk Oblast by Ukrainian troops, Bowes described it as "Ukraines last ditch roll of the Dice". He also said that the invasion by the "corrupt Kiev elites" was ordered by "their masters in London and Washington".[18]
Bowes lives in Russia.[
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This took me all of about 3 minutes to dig up. It’s the case with nearly everything you guys post. Of course an intellectually honest person would check out the source on their own but we’re long past the point of expecting anything intellectual or honest coming from MAGA, aren’t we?
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kalm wrote: Sat Feb 22, 2025 8:19 am
Caribbean Hen wrote: Sat Feb 22, 2025 8:14 am UKRAINE: French police say Zelensky’s defense ministry official stole $46M not the reported $40M, buying a Villa in France for $2,500,000, a vinyard for $6,500,000 and 27 land plots for $1,000,000. How many billions were looted by Zelensky’s other associates?

haha I remember when our self-appointed geniuses were all saying the Ukraine was not corrupt
Link?


Ukraine says defense officials stole $40 million meant for mortar munitions

CH frequently and/or conveniently forgets to provide links but he usually quotes directly so his info is usually easy to find.

The $40 million looks like a legit story. The extra $6 million and the connection to Zelinsky or a villa, vineyard and land plots in France are suspect.
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UNI88 wrote: Sat Feb 22, 2025 9:59 am
kalm wrote: Sat Feb 22, 2025 8:19 am

Link?


Ukraine says defense officials stole $40 million meant for mortar munitions

CH frequently and/or conveniently forgets to provide links but he usually quotes directly so his info is usually easy to find.

The $40 million looks like a legit story. The extra $6 million and the connection to Zelinsky or a villa, vineyard and land plots in France are suspect.
Exactly

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Caribbean Hen wrote: Sat Feb 22, 2025 10:29 am
UNI88 wrote: Sat Feb 22, 2025 9:59 am


Ukraine says defense officials stole $40 million meant for mortar munitions

CH frequently and/or conveniently forgets to provide links but he usually quotes directly so his info is usually easy to find.

The $40 million looks like a legit story. The extra $6 million and the connection to Zelinsky or a villa, vineyard and land plots in France are suspect.
Exactly

So easy to find
Chay Bowes is a putin mouthpiece, anything he says is questionable.
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UNI88 wrote: Sat Feb 22, 2025 9:59 am
kalm wrote: Sat Feb 22, 2025 8:19 am

Link?


Ukraine says defense officials stole $40 million meant for mortar munitions

CH frequently and/or conveniently forgets to provide links but he usually quotes directly so his info is usually easy to find.

The $40 million looks like a legit story. The extra $6 million and the connection to Zelinsky or a villa, vineyard and land plots in France are suspect.
I’m missing the ties in the Hill story to Zalenskyy as part of the corruption.
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Caribbean Hen wrote: Sat Feb 22, 2025 10:29 am
UNI88 wrote: Sat Feb 22, 2025 9:59 am



Ukraine says defense officials stole $40 million meant for mortar munitions

CH frequently and/or conveniently forgets to provide links but he usually quotes directly so his info is usually easy to find.

The $40 million looks like a legit story. The extra $6 million and the connection to Zelinsky or a villa, vineyard and land plots in France are suspect.
Exactly

So easy to find
It wasn’t a compliment, CH. it just shows you’re lazy or embarrassed by the sources you get it from. :lol:
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kalm wrote: Sat Feb 22, 2025 11:03 am
UNI88 wrote: Sat Feb 22, 2025 9:59 am


Ukraine says defense officials stole $40 million meant for mortar munitions

CH frequently and/or conveniently forgets to provide links but he usually quotes directly so his info is usually easy to find.

The $40 million looks like a legit story. The extra $6 million and the connection to Zelinsky or a villa, vineyard and land plots in France are suspect.
I’m missing the ties in the Hill story to Zalenskyy as part of the corruption.
They didn't tie the $40 million to Zelensky. My guess is that Chay Bowes mentions Zelensky because he's assuming people will be too stupid or blindly loyal to the russian/MAQA yahoo agenda to see through his transparent attempts to create guilt by association. What he did was intellectually dishonest. Parroting this BS and complaining about coverage of hunter's laptop (or vice versa) is hypocritical,
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kalm wrote: Sat Feb 22, 2025 11:04 am
Caribbean Hen wrote: Sat Feb 22, 2025 10:29 am

Exactly

So easy to find
It wasn’t a compliment, CH. it just shows you’re lazy or embarrassed by the sources you get it from. :lol:
The guy asking for a link all the time is calling me lazy
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UNI88 wrote: Sat Feb 22, 2025 11:11 am
kalm wrote: Sat Feb 22, 2025 11:03 am

I’m missing the ties in the Hill story to Zalenskyy as part of the corruption.
They didn't tie the $40 million to Zelensky. My guess is that Chay Bowes mentions Zelensky because he's assuming people will be too stupid or blindly loyal to the russian/MAQA yahoo agenda to see through his transparent attempts to create guilt by association. What he did was intellectually dishonest. Parroting this BS and complaining about coverage of hunter's laptop (or vice versa) is hypocritical,
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Caribbean Hen wrote: Sat Feb 22, 2025 12:20 pm
kalm wrote: Sat Feb 22, 2025 11:04 am

It wasn’t a compliment, CH. it just shows you’re lazy or embarrassed by the sources you get it from. :lol:
The guy asking for a link all the time is calling me lazy

Um. Yes? :rofl:

That’s typically how it works when you cite information or quote an article.

When you wrote papers in college did you expect the prof to verify sources and use citations for you?

The first rule of holes, CH.
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kalm wrote: Sat Feb 22, 2025 12:33 pm
Caribbean Hen wrote: Sat Feb 22, 2025 12:20 pm
The guy asking for a link all the time is calling me lazy
Um. Yes? :rofl:

That’s typically how it works when you cite information or quote an article.

When you wrote papers in college did you expect the prof to verify sources and use citations for you?

The first rule of holes, CH.
Posting quotes without providing attribution/links might even be a violation of the CS.com terms of service.
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