Angle:No Abortions For Rape/Incest Victims...God Has A Plan

[Chizzang]

AND...
It happens every day - when men have an abortion we call it War - so it doesn't count


sifting through the moral high ground.. until we find something we like

Agree. We cry for potential life snuffed in the womb while demanding the blood of our enemies & those who have inflicted harm upon us or step over a broken life on our way to church....oh, the irony...

Apparently an invisible irony..?
I will not - I refuse to - care more about an abortion than about 10,000 Iraqi children being killed in OUR stupid WAR. The idea that we get to chose the value of life "here and there" is pretty silly to me

The day we say as a nation:
There will be no more collateral damage - no more innocent lives taken - be it in South America or the Middle East, that is the day I'll listen to somebody tell me why we must now look at abortion in a whole new light

until then - it's just another example of humans Killing humans... If we can drop bombs from 50 thousand feet with indiscretion we can certainly have abortions with a similar attitude

[Wedgebuster]

What I am most impressed about God is, that he seems to have the same will, ethics, and citizenship qualities that I have.

It is impressively cool, and reassuring, Y'all should join with us, the God Squad!

[Chizzang]

What I am most impressed about God is, that he seems to have the same will, ethics, and citizenship qualities that I have.

It is impressively cool, and reassuring, Y'all should join with us, the God Squad!

I've always suspected that God was a middle class white guy - thanks for clearing that up...

[JayJ79]

Republicans want to restrict what a woman can and cant do with their body

Pro-choicers want to call a baby part of a woman's body when it's not.

so then don't kill it. just take it out and let it fend for itself.

[JayJ79]

Angle: You know, I'm a Christian and I believe that God has a plan.....

..... and that plan is for you to get raped.
deal with it.



gee, sounds lovely.

[89Hen]

We cry for potential life

Keep saying it.

[Appaholic]

We cry for potential life

Keep saying it.

Pro-choicers want to call a baby part of a woman's body when it's not.

so then don't kill it. just take it out and let it fend for itself.

OK

[89Hen]

Keep saying it.

so then don't kill it. just take it out and let it fend for itself.

OK

Unfriggenreal. Why not leave a day old to fend for itself and see if you end up in jail.

[Appaholic]

OK

Unfriggenreal. Why not leave a day old to fend for itself and see if you end up in jail.

Why would you do that when you can just get it aborted? C'mon Hen....

[89Hen]

Why would you do that when you can just get it aborted? C'mon Hen....

I see the attempt at humor, but it's really not funny IMO.

[Appaholic]

Why would you do that when you can just get it aborted? C'mon Hen....

I see the attempt at humor, but it's really not funny IMO.

C'mon Hen, surely you've seen how the vacuum mishapes the fetus's head.....if you can't find humor in that, well....

[mainejeff]

Why would you do that when you can just get it aborted? C'mon Hen....

I see the attempt at humor, but it's really not funny IMO.

Kinda like your posts.

[JohnStOnge]

AND...
It happens every day - when men have an abortion we call it War - so it doesn't count

Of course it counts. The difference is that in war we all recognize that lives are being taken. In the abortion debate, we have one side denying the reality; calling it "a potential life" and such. It's not a "potential" life. It's a life.

If you want to argue that there is justification for taking an innocent life through abortion then we can have an honest argument. But starting from the premise that no life is being taken...that it's just a "potential" life...is nonsense. It's an effort to live in denial about what abortion is.

Again: When a woman has an abortion she has a living animal killed. It's not a "potential" living animal. It already exists. And that animal is Homo sapiens. Those are objective, indisputable truths. Well except maybe I could make it plural if she's got more than one individual (twins, triplets, etc.). That "potential life" stuff is absolute crap.

[Chizzang]

AND...
It happens every day - when men have an abortion we call it War - so it doesn't count

Of course it counts. The difference is that in war we all recognize that lives are being taken. In the abortion debate, we have one side denying the reality; calling it "a potential life" and such. It's not a "potential" life. It's a life.

If you want to argue that there is justification for taking an innocent life through abortion then we can have an honest argument. But starting from the premise that no life is being taken...that it's just a "potential" life...is nonsense. It's an effort to live in denial about what abortion is.

Again: When a woman has an abortion she has a living animal killed. It's not a "potential" living animal. It already exists. And that animal is Homo sapiens. Those are objective, indisputable truths. Well except maybe I could make it plural if she's got more than one individual (twins, triplets, etc.). That "potential life" stuff is absolute crap.

John,
That's a completely different argument than the one I'm making... Sure it's a life - I got no problem with that perspective - Sure it's being taken

My question is:
Why does it matter so much MORE than all the lives taken everyday in other ways..?
If the Anti-Abortion gang worked 1/2 as hard at logic in the battle over life and death the world might look a lot different than it does today...

Again:
We're very selective about "what lives matter" and what lives do not matter

Until somebody can explain very clearly to me why abortions are so much worse that all the killing we endorse globally all over the world I really can't get behind this very short sighted closed minded single ended lark called Pro-Life

It ought to be called "Pro-some-life"

[mainejeff]

Of course it counts. The difference is that in war we all recognize that lives are being taken. In the abortion debate, we have one side denying the reality; calling it "a potential life" and such. It's not a "potential" life. It's a life.

If you want to argue that there is justification for taking an innocent life through abortion then we can have an honest argument. But starting from the premise that no life is being taken...that it's just a "potential" life...is nonsense. It's an effort to live in denial about what abortion is.

Again: When a woman has an abortion she has a living animal killed. It's not a "potential" living animal. It already exists. And that animal is Homo sapiens. Those are objective, indisputable truths. Well except maybe I could make it plural if she's got more than one individual (twins, triplets, etc.). That "potential life" stuff is absolute crap.

John,
That's a completely different argument than the one I'm making... Sure it's a life - I got no problem with that perspective - Sure it's being taken

My question is:
Why does it matter so much MORE than all the lives taken everyday in other ways..?
If the Anti-Abortion gang worked 1/2 as hard at logic in the battle over life and death the world might look a lot different than it does today...

Again:
We're very selective about "what lives matter" and what lives do not matter

Until somebody can explain very clearly to me why abortions are so much worse that all the killing we endorse globally all over the world I really can't get behind this very short sighted closed minded single ended lark called Pro-Life

It ought to be called "Pro-some-life"

That's an easy one.......they are "virgin" fetuses. Haven't breathed sh*tty air, drank dirty water, been subjected to "life" outside the womb. As I see it, there are many in the Religious Right who seem to almost think of fetuses as "god-like" until they are actually born........then they don't matter as much.

[mainejeff]

Also......this from the crowd that wants every man, woman and child in the United States to have a weapon in their hands 24/7 that can snuff out life in an instant. Yup.....those "pro-lifers" are something else.

[JayJ79]

so does this mean that we should all add 9 months or so to our ages, since life doesn't start at birth?

[mainejeff]

so does this mean that we should all add 9 months or so to our ages, since life doesn't start at birth?

That's right......we've all aged 9 months. Those were the best damned 9 months of my life.

[89Hen]

I see the attempt at humor, but it's really not funny IMO.

Kinda like your posts.

Don't think I've attempted any humor in this thread Jeff. Not really the place for it. We have plenty of humor threads.

[89Hen]

Sure it's a life - I got no problem with that perspective - Sure it's being taken

My question is:
Why does it matter so much MORE than all the lives taken everyday in other ways..?

I have a big problem with this thinking. Close to "All my friends are doing it" arguement or two wrongs... The arguement over whether war is ethical is really a separate arguement, isn't it?

[89Hen]

Also......this from the crowd that wants every man, woman and child in the United States to have a weapon in their hands 24/7 that can snuff out life in an instant. Yup.....those "pro-lifers" are something else.

You have some serious issues jeff. You can't seem to keep your warped view of politics out of discussions that have nothing to do with politics or religion. My view on abortion is 100% from logic and basic human rights. I don't own any weapons. Imagine that.

[Chizzang]

Sure it's a life - I got no problem with that perspective - Sure it's being taken

My question is:
Why does it matter so much MORE than all the lives taken everyday in other ways..?

I have a big problem with this thinking. Close to "All my friends are doing it" arguement or two wrongs... The arguement over whether war is ethical is really a separate arguement, isn't it?

I don't believe it's separate at all...
and all my friends are doing it comment shows me you either aren't reading my posts or you don't understand - like all Pro-lifers the idea I'm discussing is completely foreign

Here try this:
If you were as emotionally invested in all indiscriminate acts of murder as you are about abortion I would say you had a valid point - but - you're not.

I don't see the difference - we either care about innocent life - or we do not.

How are we doing so far... do you understand that initial point..?

[andy7171]

Loss of all innocent life is tragic.

We cannot stop our enemy from hiding behind women and children. As a result they are killed in the cross fire. The blame for their deaths fall on those doing the hiding just as much as those who did the shooting/bombing. Some would say more so.
We can put an end to the needless deaths to abortion.
Are you saying, if we can't save both, let's save neither?

[Chizzang]

Loss of all innocent life is tragic.

We cannot stop our enemy from hiding behind women and children. As a result they are killed in the cross fire. The blame for their deaths fall on those doing the hiding just as much as those who did the shooting/bombing. Some would say more so.
We can put an end to the needless deaths to abortion.
Are you saying, if we can't save both, let's save neither?

That's better... thank you Andy

I'm suggesting that "we" as Humans first and Americans second need to recognize ALL ACTS that extinguish innocent life as equally disgusting and unacceptable. We indiscriminately bomb according to Red Cross accounts and hundreds and hundreds of other eye witnesses - but it's casually regarded as collateral damage and a small price to pay.

Where's the pro-life outrage..?

Oh.. wait... (right) That particular demographic is virtually 95% pro-Iraq war - a war that had at a minimum of 50,000 civilian casualties and thousands and thousands of children killed - A war we still can't explain...

Until the pro-life movement shows me that it is genuinely Pro-Life it's easily dismissed as emotional non-sense and exhibits a HUGE disconnect about how "some lives matter" and some lives don't matter.

I could go on
There are several other associated disconnects with the pro-Life movement that are equally as retarded




So yes - I agree it's certainly a legitimate perspective that abortion is murder (Isn't that collateral damage too..?)

[ATrain]

I think I'm gonna be sick...pro-choicers trying to gain some moral high ground by bringing gun rights and the Iraq war into this when those are two entirely separate issues.

As far as I'm concerned, my mother had a high-risk pregnancy that should've killed her and me. Even my dad wanted me aborted, but she said no. To the shock of everyone, both she and I are alive and well today. I'm sorry, but you're never going to convince me that abortion is an acceptable option, ever. My question is, what right would anyone have to stop me from developing into a life once I had started? If she had had an abortion, I wouldn't be here and that is a life snuffed out.