Federal Judge Blocks Part of Arizona Immigration Bill

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Deport all 15-20 million of the illegals.


Mexico didnt have a problem getting them here...............why should it be that big of a deal for us to get them back?

[AZGrizFan]

So you're viewpoint is that while we have laws and try to enforce them, we can only go so far? So if that is incapable of stopping the flow of illegal immigrants and if it is incapable of doing something about the illegal immigrants already in the country, then the answer is to throw our hands up at the problem and move on?

Of course we can "only go so far." We do the same with any law that is broken. Wiretapping, entrapment, etc. might be able to enforce the law and make it easier to catch people that break the law... but, it also infringes on rights. Which is why they're illegal.

Well, in my opinion... we're never going to realistically be able to round up everyone that's here illegally. We have eliminate the incentives for them to come over here. Harsh penalties on people that hire illegals would be part of that (and something I support in the Arizona bill and something that wasn't overturned). We also have to help Mexico economically so that they can provide jobs for their country. As one example... NAFTA helps that in some ways and hurts it in others. There has been a huge increase in manufacturing jobs in Mexico. But, corn farmers (a huge part of Mexico for millenia) now have compete with cheap American corn. And they can't. They lose their farms, have no other means to care for their family... so they hop the border and work on American farms. We have to help Mexico give people like that a better alternative in their own country.

We have to deport people we catch (and we do)... but, we're not going to be able to stem the tide without eliminating the desire to come. They're going to keep coming as long as it's the best option to provide for their families. It's really as simple as that.

Or, we could just build a big fucking fence (electrified), put a 100-yard swath of landmines about every 2 feet the length of the border, followed by ANOTHER fence about 40 feet high (electrified), with guard posts about every 200 yards and tell Mexico to fix its own fucking problems.

No matter how much money or "help" we give Mexico, they ain't fixing anything. The donk insistence that they can just "help" people and all will be good goes all the way back to our War on Poverty. Hows that one working?

[Col Hogan]

So you're viewpoint is that while we have laws and try to enforce them, we can only go so far? So if that is incapable of stopping the flow of illegal immigrants and if it is incapable of doing something about the illegal immigrants already in the country, then the answer is to throw our hands up at the problem and move on?

Of course we can "only go so far." We do the same with any law that is broken. Wiretapping, entrapment, etc. might be able to enforce the law and make it easier to catch people that break the law... but, it also infringes on rights. Which is why they're illegal.

What's the solution?

Well, in my opinion... we're never going to realistically be able to round up everyone that's here illegally. We have eliminate the incentives for them to come over here. Harsh penalties on people that hire illegals would be part of that (and something I support in the Arizona bill and something that wasn't overturned). We also have to help Mexico economically so that they can provide jobs for their country. As one example... NAFTA helps that in some ways and hurts it in others. There has been a huge increase in manufacturing jobs in Mexico. But, corn farmers (a huge part of Mexico for millenia) now have compete with cheap American corn. And they can't. They lose their farms, have no other means to care for their family... so they hop the border and work on American farms. We have to help Mexico give people like that a better alternative in their own country.

We have to deport people we catch (and we do)... but, we're not going to be able to stem the tide without eliminating the desire to come. They're going to keep coming as long as it's the best option to provide for their families. It's really as simple as that.

Simple as that....pay Mexico to keep their citizens from breaking our laws...

Maybe I can cash in on that since my last name is pretty common in Mexico...

[Skjellyfetti]

Or, we could just build a big **** fence (electrified), put a 100-yard swath of landmines about every 2 feet the length of the border, followed by ANOTHER fence about 40 feet high (electrified), with guard posts about every 200 yards and tell Mexico to fix its own **** problems.

Yeah, we can get pointers from the Stalinists that built the wall in Berlin.

[Skjellyfetti]

Simple as that....pay Mexico to keep their citizens from breaking our laws...

Maybe I can cash in on that since my last name is pretty common in Mexico...

What's your solution, Col. Sanchez?

[citdog]

Simple as that....pay Mexico to keep their citizens from breaking our laws...

Maybe I can cash in on that since my last name is pretty common in Mexico...

What's your solution, Col. Sanchez?

to put you up against a wall and charge your family for the 9mm bullet that ends your worthless life

[AZGrizFan]

Or, we could just build a big **** fence (electrified), put a 100-yard swath of landmines about every 2 feet the length of the border, followed by ANOTHER fence about 40 feet high (electrified), with guard posts about every 200 yards and tell Mexico to fix its own **** problems.

Yeah, we can get pointers from the Stalinists that built the wall in Berlin.

I know you think Mexico is the 51st state, but even THAT is a dumb statement for you. Absolutely not even RELEVANT to this discussion, but I'd expect nothing less.

[Skjellyfetti]

to put you up against a wall and charge your family for the 9mm bullet that ends your worthless life

a 9mm? Come on, citdog... you can do better than that. My grandmother has a more manly gun.

Remember, your handgun is supposed to compensate for your tiny "schmeckle"... not mirror it.

[AZGrizFan]

to put you up against a wall and charge your family for the 9mm bullet that ends your worthless life

a 9mm? Come on, citdog... you can do better than that. My grandmother has a more manly gun.

Remember, your handgun is supposed to compensate for your tiny "schmeckle"... not mirror it.

perhaps you missed the "worthless life" part. It's all he wants to spend on you.

[citdog]

to put you up against a wall and charge your family for the 9mm bullet that ends your worthless life

a 9mm? Come on, citdog... you can do better than that. My grandmother has a more manly gun.

Remember, your handgun is supposed to compensate for your tiny "schmeckle"... not mirror it.

not for long if your "BOY" has his way.

i don't even own a gun.......i have the schmeckle.....the only weapon i need

[Col Hogan]

Simple as that....pay Mexico to keep their citizens from breaking our laws...

Maybe I can cash in on that since my last name is pretty common in Mexico...

What's your solution, Col. Sanchez?

The easy solution is for the federal government TO DO THEIR JOB...

But we know that won't happen...

[93henfan]

Kudos to AzGrizFan for opening up a tremendous can of whoop-ass in this thread. You're batting 1.000 bro.

[AZGrizFan]

Kudos to AzGrizFan for opening up a tremendous can of whoop-ass in this thread. You're batting 1.000 bro.

Lubricunt is like that AA pitcher they just brought up to the bigs. He keeps lobbin' softballs right into my wheelhouse.

[TheDancinMonarch]

Or, we could just build a big **** fence (electrified), put a 100-yard swath of landmines about every 2 feet the length of the border, followed by ANOTHER fence about 40 feet high (electrified), with guard posts about every 200 yards and tell Mexico to fix its own **** problems.

Yeah, we can get pointers from the Stalinists that built the wall in Berlin.

You overlook the purpose of that wall. It was to keep people from escaping the communist paradise. No one was trying to get in.

[AZGrizFan]

Yeah, we can get pointers from the Stalinists that built the wall in Berlin.

You overlook the purpose of that wall. It was to keep people from escaping the communist paradise. No one was trying to get in.

He hasn't a clue what he's talking about....

[BDKJMU]

Come on, you can't mean that seriously? It's hard to believe that we are really doing a good job of enforcing immigration laws when you see so many interviews with illegals here in this country, many for decades and multiple generations, making good livings and getting good education.

If we deport 200k a year (and I don't doubt that, I'm sure we do), considering we have maybe 20M people here illegally, that means that we only enforce immigration laws to the tune of 1% deportment. Heck, if I wanted to enter the US illegally and I knew I would have a 99% chance of not being kicked out, I'd do it too.

No, you're bad at math.

We deport ~200,000 every year. There are ~500,000 illegals that enter the country every year (this number is hard to pin down... but, that's the first answer I found).

That's 40% deportment.

You use the figure of 20,000,000... that's built up from decades of immigration. It doesn't make sense to use a figure from one year of deportment vs. decades of immigration. Obviously there is a difference between the amount that come in and the amount that are ultimately deported....... but, we have to deport people within the bounds of the law and the standards upon which we stand as a country. We can't sacrifice them in order to round up more illegals. You obviously disagree and that's fine. But, I'm glad the courts are siding with me.

The courts didn't side with you. A single liberal judge did. Thats all.

[BDKJMU]

I know this will be going to the 9th Circus next, which I doubt will rule much different than this lib judge. Any chance this can be fast tracked to the Supreme Ct within the next couple of months?

[citdog]

the fact of the matter is that we live in a republic. come november we'll see what the people of "the late united states" have to say. i think it will be a bad day for lubeboy and his ilk. even if the supreme court rules.....NULLIFICATION YESTERDAY, NULLIFICATION TODAY, NULLIFICATION TOMORROW!!!!!!!!



in the words of South Carolina's own Andrew Jackson...... "Chief Justice Marshall made the law........let him ENFORCE it!"

[HI54UNI]

Well, in my opinion... we're never going to realistically be able to round up everyone that's here illegally. We have eliminate the incentives for them to come over here. Harsh penalties on people that hire illegals would be part of that (and something I support in the Arizona bill and something that wasn't overturned). We also have to help Mexico economically so that they can provide jobs for their country. As one example... NAFTA helps that in some ways and hurts it in others. There has been a huge increase in manufacturing jobs in Mexico. But, corn farmers (a huge part of Mexico for millenia) now have compete with cheap American corn. And they can't. They lose their farms, have no other means to care for their family... so they hop the border and work on American farms. We have to help Mexico give people like that a better alternative in their own country.

We have to deport people we catch (and we do)... but, we're not going to be able to stem the tide without eliminating the desire to come. They're going to keep coming as long as it's the best option to provide for their families. It's really as simple as that.

Or, we could just build a big fucking fence (electrified), put a 100-yard swath of landmines about every 2 feet the length of the border, followed by ANOTHER fence about 40 feet high (electrified), with guard posts about every 200 yards and tell Mexico to fix its own fucking problems.

No matter how much money or "help" we give Mexico, they ain't fixing anything. The donk insistence that they can just "help" people and all will be good goes all the way back to our War on Poverty. Hows that one working?

The problem with this is the libs would want it powered by solar or wind and it would only work 35% of the time.

[GannonFan]

So you're viewpoint is that while we have laws and try to enforce them, we can only go so far? So if that is incapable of stopping the flow of illegal immigrants and if it is incapable of doing something about the illegal immigrants already in the country, then the answer is to throw our hands up at the problem and move on?

Of course we can "only go so far." We do the same with any law that is broken. Wiretapping, entrapment, etc. might be able to enforce the law and make it easier to catch people that break the law... but, it also infringes on rights. Which is why they're illegal.

What's the solution?

Well, in my opinion... we're never going to realistically be able to round up everyone that's here illegally. We have eliminate the incentives for them to come over here. Harsh penalties on people that hire illegals would be part of that (and something I support in the Arizona bill and something that wasn't overturned). We also have to help Mexico economically so that they can provide jobs for their country. As one example... NAFTA helps that in some ways and hurts it in others. There has been a huge increase in manufacturing jobs in Mexico. But, corn farmers (a huge part of Mexico for millenia) now have compete with cheap American corn. And they can't. They lose their farms, have no other means to care for their family... so they hop the border and work on American farms. We have to help Mexico give people like that a better alternative in their own country.

We have to deport people we catch (and we do)... but, we're not going to be able to stem the tide without eliminating the desire to come. They're going to keep coming as long as it's the best option to provide for their families. It's really as simple as that.

So, by your own summation, you say tha people will keep coming from Mexico (or other Central American country - I'll just keep using Mexico to keep it simple) as long as it's a better alternative than staying in Mexico. So, to carry that point out, basically the standard of living in Mexico needs to be equal to that in the US. Do you seriously think that's a realistic goal? How long will that take to happen? Do you have a legitimate plan to deal with the unstemmed tide of illegal immigrants that will be coming into the US for the century or two it takes for Mexico's standard of living to equal our own? I mean, it's 20M people in just two decades so far - gotta figure that number continues climbing unabated under your "throw our hands in the air and just keep pumping money into Mexico" approach.

[TheDancinMonarch]

Do you have a legitimate plan to deal with the unstemmed tide of illegal immigrants that will be coming into the US for the century or two it takes for Mexico's standard of living to equal our own?

Obama has a plan. Bring the US standard of living DOWN to the Mexican standard. And I don't think it will take a century or two considering the rate he is implementing his "change".

[Skjellyfetti]

So, by your own summation, you say tha people will keep coming from Mexico (or other Central American country - I'll just keep using Mexico to keep it simple) as long as it's a better alternative than staying in Mexico. So, to carry that point out, basically the standard of living in Mexico needs to be equal to that in the US. Do you seriously think that's a realistic goal? How long will that take to happen? Do you have a legitimate plan to deal with the unstemmed tide of illegal immigrants that will be coming into the US for the century or two it takes for Mexico's standard of living to equal our own? I mean, it's 20M people in just two decades so far - gotta figure that number continues climbing unabated under your "throw our hands in the air and just keep pumping money into Mexico" approach.

Our standard of living doesn't have to be equal to Mexico's. They aren't going to walk across miles upon miles of desert to make an extra $.35 an hour. They come because they can make double what they make at home.... if they can even get a job at home. We dont' have to make the standard of living equal... we have to narrow it.

I mean, it's 20M people in just two decades so far - gotta figure that number continues climbing unabated under your "throw our hands in the air and just keep pumping money into Mexico" approach.

What would you do to eliminate illegal immigration?

[Skjellyfetti]

The courts didn't side with you. A single liberal judge did. Thats all.

What's your basis for calling her liberal? Everything I've read about her paints her as middle of the road, rational, etc.

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Or, we could just build a big **** fence (electrified), put a 100-yard swath of landmines about every 2 feet the length of the border, followed by ANOTHER fence about 40 feet high (electrified), with guard posts about every 200 yards and tell Mexico to fix its own **** problems.

Yeah, we can get pointers from the Stalinists that built the wall in Berlin.

If it keeps those illegal fu*kers from coming into my country then GOOD!

You go Stalin!!!

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

So, by your own summation, you say tha people will keep coming from Mexico (or other Central American country - I'll just keep using Mexico to keep it simple) as long as it's a better alternative than staying in Mexico. So, to carry that point out, basically the standard of living in Mexico needs to be equal to that in the US. Do you seriously think that's a realistic goal? How long will that take to happen? Do you have a legitimate plan to deal with the unstemmed tide of illegal immigrants that will be coming into the US for the century or two it takes for Mexico's standard of living to equal our own? I mean, it's 20M people in just two decades so far - gotta figure that number continues climbing unabated under your "throw our hands in the air and just keep pumping money into Mexico" approach.

Our standard of living doesn't have to be equal to Mexico's. They aren't going to walk across miles upon miles of desert to make an extra $.35 an hour. They come because they can make double what they make at home.... if they can even get a job at home. We dont' have to make the standard of living equal... we have to narrow it.

I mean, it's 20M people in just two decades so far - gotta figure that number continues climbing unabated under your "throw our hands in the air and just keep pumping money into Mexico" approach.

What would you do to eliminate illegal immigration?

I would shoot ANYONE coming across the border without a valid US passport.

We wouldnt have an immigration problem anymore in just 3-5 days.