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andy7171 wrote:After the first guy/girl who stood up in the class and got popped after saying they were Christian. If I were there, if I hadn't gotten capped off the bat and was amonst the rest in the room. Why not rush the coward before it got to you? Much like the French subway incedent?

I guess all the victims were involved in "NO TAG" recesses growing up?

Why wait your turn?

Chances are, if the gunman gets rushed, it's not in his plan. And will panic. You live, everyone else lives. Andf you get to beat the **** out of someone.
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Meet the Hero Army Vet Who Took Seven Bullets Charging the Oregon College Shooter

A soulless lunatic opened fire on innocent students at Umpqua Community College in Roseburg, Oregon Thursday, killing at least 10 before and wounding seven before responding officers took him out. The gunman, inspired by the on-air murder of two Virginia journalists earlier this month, reportedly sought public notoriety

We won't give it to him. The gunman's name is Chris, but there's another Chris from the Oregon shooting you should pay attention to instead: Army veteran Chris Mintz, age 30, who witnesses say displayed astonishing courage even as he took multiple bullets from the psychopath's gun.

According to CBS, Mintz ran toward the gunman in an effort to "protect his classmates" after the gunman tried to enter his classroom. Mintz's aunt Wanta told CBS her nephew tried to block a classroom door "to keep the gunman from coming in." He was shot three times before he fell, she said. As Mintz lay wounded, his aunt said he told the gunman 'it's my son's birthday' and was shot two more times.

Chris Mintz's constitution was made from the same iron as his character — he was gravely wounded, but survived after spending most of Thursday in surgery. His cousin Derek Bourgeois, with whom Mintz had joined the Army straight out of high school, told the Daily Beast he heard Mintz is "fine (...) but he’s going to have to learn to walk again."

A friend posted on Mintz's Facebook page on Friday on the hero's behalf, saying "Chris asked me to thank everyone for their support, he is grateful and keeping our community and all victims in his thoughts."

A comment left below the status seemed to speak for many who have heard the story of this man who ran headlong into a hail of gunfire:

You saved lives Chris Mintz. You are the one who will be remembered. You are a hero in my eyes with a warriors spirit. God bless you and your recovery.

We've only mentioned Chris Mintz and his family here and not the killer's name for a reason. The Umpqua killer left writing, as reported by both the Daily Beast and CNN, that indicated he knew mass murder was a route to lasting notoriety.

It's natural to study the motives of killers and natural to want to understand how they came to be. But it's the names of the victims, and the names of truly inspiring bad-asses like Chris Mintz — or the men who recently stopped a likely terrorist attack aboard a European train — that need to echo afterwards.
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Hm.

I'm a history buff but I didn't realize Jefferson was a NRA member. Who knew?


Repeal the 2nd Amendment or STFU.
Because we don't have anything in between BDK-level gun fetishism and making them illegal to possess? :suspicious:

The NRA is unreasonable in a number of its positions. It's not necessarily a positive force for gun rights in the long run.
So what's the answer? We all agree that tragedies like this are horrible and everyone wants them to stop, but what is the answer? What legislation has been blocked or beaten back or not even brought up that would have the ability to end tragedies like this? People like to pontificate about how bad this is (and it is) and then that certain groups (NRA for one) are to blame, and then they point to legislation that has been blocked, but even if passed still would have allowed a huge percentage of these killing sprees to happen anyway. So again, what's the answer?
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Because we don't have anything in between BDK-level gun fetishism and making them illegal to possess? :suspicious:

The NRA is unreasonable in a number of its positions. It's not necessarily a positive force for gun rights in the long run.
So what's the answer? We all agree that tragedies like this are horrible and everyone wants them to stop, but what is the answer? What legislation has been blocked or beaten back or not even brought up that would have the ability to end tragedies like this? People like to pontificate about how bad this is (and it is) and then that certain groups (NRA for one) are to blame, and then they point to legislation that has been blocked, but even if passed still would have allowed a huge percentage of these killing sprees to happen anyway. So again, what's the answer?
I didn't blame the NRA. That would be as stupid as blaming anti-gun groups. My point about the NRA is that in the long term, they're unwillingness to budge will turn the political tide against gun rights.

I'm neutral on the issue. I own a gun, have friends who are gun nuts, and I'm against unreasonable restrictions on gun rights.

It's a tough question on what needs to be done.
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"Shall not be infringed," Klam.

Incremental measures will not pass the judicial test.

We are a gun country. It is who we are. Either repeal the 2nd Amendment or STFU.
We're a gun country? No ****? :shock:

That's some nice selective constitutional interpretation there. :lol:
Selective? It is specifically mentioned.

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We're a gun country? No ****? :shock:

That's some nice selective constitutional interpretation there. :lol:
Selective? It is specifically mentioned.

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GannonFan wrote:
kalm wrote:
Because we don't have anything in between BDK-level gun fetishism and making them illegal to possess? :suspicious:

The NRA is unreasonable in a number of its positions. It's not necessarily a positive force for gun rights in the long run.
So what's the answer? We all agree that tragedies like this are horrible and everyone wants them to stop, but what is the answer? What legislation has been blocked or beaten back or not even brought up that would have the ability to end tragedies like this? People like to pontificate about how bad this is (and it is) and then that certain groups (NRA for one) are to blame, and then they point to legislation that has been blocked, but even if passed still would have allowed a huge percentage of these killing sprees to happen anyway. So again, what's the answer?
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Spending the trillions we do against terrorism & on whole Government departments seems extremely hypocritical now. I mean since 2004 only 313 Americans have been killed in acts of "terrorism". Meanwhile over 316K have been killed with guns. 313 vs 316,545.......

You know when you hear on the news about a car bomb or suicide bomber in the Middle East somewhere & you shrug it off and say to yourself, "eh, nothing new there", and you don't bat an eye. Sadly, same things happen with shootings in the US. At least until someone you know or care about is the one getting shot.... :coffee: :coffee:
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GannonFan wrote:
kalm wrote:
Because we don't have anything in between BDK-level gun fetishism and making them illegal to possess? :suspicious:

The NRA is unreasonable in a number of its positions. It's not necessarily a positive force for gun rights in the long run.
So what's the answer? We all agree that tragedies like this are horrible and everyone wants them to stop, but what is the answer? What legislation has been blocked or beaten back or not even brought up that would have the ability to end tragedies like this? People like to pontificate about how bad this is (and it is) and then that certain groups (NRA for one) are to blame, and then they point to legislation that has been blocked, but even if passed still would have allowed a huge percentage of these killing sprees to happen anyway. So again, what's the answer?
The first thing you need to do is admit to yourself that you cannot stop free will. There are no laws, therapy or magic potions to fix this, it is going to happen no matter what, that is what evil does. Best case scenario is to limit the damage and protect yourself by being armed or deal with the consequences. Just remember a person is choosing to do these heinous acts not an inanimate object.
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GOD wrote:
GannonFan wrote:
So what's the answer? We all agree that tragedies like this are horrible and everyone wants them to stop, but what is the answer? What legislation has been blocked or beaten back or not even brought up that would have the ability to end tragedies like this? People like to pontificate about how bad this is (and it is) and then that certain groups (NRA for one) are to blame, and then they point to legislation that has been blocked, but even if passed still would have allowed a huge percentage of these killing sprees to happen anyway. So again, what's the answer?
The first thing you need to do is admit to yourself that you cannot stop free will. There are no laws, therapy or magic potions to fix this, it is going to happen no matter what, that is what evil does. Best case scenario is to limit the damage and protect yourself by being armed or deal with the consequences. Just remember a person is choosing to do these heinous acts not an inanimate object.
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bluehenbillk wrote:Spending the trillions we do against terrorism & on whole Government departments seems extremely hypocritical now. I mean since 2004 only 313 Americans have been killed in acts of "terrorism". Meanwhile over 316K have been killed with guns. 313 vs 316,545.......

You know when you hear on the news about a car bomb or suicide bomber in the Middle East somewhere & you shrug it off and say to yourself, "eh, nothing new there", and you don't bat an eye. Sadly, same things happen with shootings in the US. At least until someone you know or care about is the one getting shot.... :coffee: :coffee:
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The media could help stop some of this. I heard a report that the shooter talked about the guy that shot the TV reporter and how it got media attention. If the heads of CNN, Fox News, etc. would come out and say, "if you do something like this we will not report your name," and then actually follow through with it it might help.
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HI54UNI wrote:The media could help stop some of this. I heard a report that the shooter talked about the guy that shot the TV reporter and how it got media attention. If the heads of CNN, Fox News, etc. would come out and say, "if you do something like this we will not report your name," and then actually follow through with it it might help.
Funny, they used to show streakers running across the baseball/football field. People wanted to be seen and known.

Now, TV doesn't show streakers. Do people still streak across the playing fields? My bet is that they do not as often as they used to...no publicity.

But, newscasts want ratings...and the gubmint wants people to be frightened. So, these clowns get top notch news coverage. :ohno:
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HI54UNI wrote:
bluehenbillk wrote:Spending the trillions we do against terrorism & on whole Government departments seems extremely hypocritical now. I mean since 2004 only 313 Americans have been killed in acts of "terrorism". Meanwhile over 316K have been killed with guns. 313 vs 316,545.......

You know when you hear on the news about a car bomb or suicide bomber in the Middle East somewhere & you shrug it off and say to yourself, "eh, nothing new there", and you don't bat an eye. Sadly, same things happen with shootings in the US. At least until someone you know or care about is the one getting shot.... :coffee: :coffee:
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Cluck U wrote:
HI54UNI wrote:The media could help stop some of this. I heard a report that the shooter talked about the guy that shot the TV reporter and how it got media attention. If the heads of CNN, Fox News, etc. would come out and say, "if you do something like this we will not report your name," and then actually follow through with it it might help.
Funny, they used to show streakers running across the baseball/football field. People wanted to be seen and known.

Now, TV doesn't show streakers. Do people still streak across the playing fields? My bet is that they do not as often as they used to...no publicity.

But, newscasts want ratings...and the gubmint wants people to be frightened. So, these clowns get top notch news coverage. :ohno:
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kalm wrote:
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Selective? It is specifically mentioned.

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The first thing you need to do is admit to yourself that you cannot stop free will. There are no laws, therapy or magic potions to fix this, it is going to happen no matter what, that is what evil does. Best case scenario is to limit the damage and protect yourself by being armed or deal with the consequences. Just remember a person is choosing to do these heinous acts not an inanimate object.
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Someone said there was 2 guards. The campus isn't THAT big. Regardless, 1 or 2 armed guards, at a cost of a few k a year, could have saved some of thise lives. What a **** moron.
A few thousand a year is not a livable wage. :coffee: :kisswink:

Let's at least give them 10s of thousands of $$$.
As I'd clearly been referring to over several posts, the security giards ARE ALREADY ON CAMPUS BEING PAID whatever they are being paid. Giving them a gun isn't going to add much cost.... :roll:
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Ibanez wrote: A few thousand a year is not a livable wage. :coffee: :kisswink:

Let's at least give them 10s of thousands of $$$.
Sweet Baby Jesus. They're ALREADY employed. They just need to buy them guns.
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GannonFan wrote:
kalm wrote:
Because we don't have anything in between BDK-level gun fetishism and making them illegal to possess? :suspicious:

The NRA is unreasonable in a number of its positions. It's not necessarily a positive force for gun rights in the long run.
So what's the answer? We all agree that tragedies like this are horrible and everyone wants them to stop, but what is the answer? What legislation has been blocked or beaten back or not even brought up that would have the ability to end tragedies like this? People like to pontificate about how bad this is (and it is) and then that certain groups (NRA for one) are to blame, and then they point to legislation that has been blocked, but even if passed still would have allowed a huge percentage of these killing sprees to happen anyway. So again, what's the answer?
Quit letting the mentally ill roam free. We used to not do that..Most of these whack jobs committing the mass shootings people know are whack jobs, but no one can do anything till they off a bunch of people... :ohno:
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You know, if I was a Black Lives Matter activist I would be complaining that shootings like these that make up a tiny percentage of the gun deaths get all the media attention and inspire the most calls for gun control while young black men dying like Stalingrad in urban areas goes unnoticed.

Of course, facts don't matter to gun control advocates or BLM folks…just push forward with gun laws so we can have peace of mind even if they wouldn't stop just about all of the major mass shootings we have had.
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BDKJMU wrote:
Ibanez wrote: A few thousand a year is not a livable wage. :coffee: :kisswink:

Let's at least give them 10s of thousands of $$$.
Are you that dense.. :dunce: The security giards ARE ALREADY ON CAMPUS BEING PAID whatever they are being paid. Giving them a gun isn't going to add much cost...

You didn't say that. You said " 1 or 2 armed guards, at a cost of a few k a year..."You didn't say anything about the extra cost of arming them. You may have implied that the guards are already being paid, but your post was written to suggest otherwise.

Please show me where you said arming guards costs a few extra thousand.


REGARDLESS, you are still wrong. The guns and bullets may cost a few thousand, but that's nothing compared to the insurance costs.

EDIT: I see you edited your post. I didn't see every post you've made, but that doesn't matter. You're still only thinking about the material side. Arming a person jacks up the insurance rate. If the armed guard is outsourced, then that jacks up their fee (due to insurance, guns, licensing, etc...)
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