Weere is the MSM on Obama paying off Iran?

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

No he's not. You're just predisposed to agree with him. It wasn't ransom. You can say it is as much as you want. CID can say it was as much as he wants. But it wasn't.

OK thanks for allowing me to continue to say it was ransom.

It was ransom.

Agreed and there is no other way to look at it.

[Skjellyfetti]

[YoUDeeMan]

It was ransom.

Again, if you owed a bar tab, and the bar owner kidnaps your sister, and you pay the bar tab to get her released...the payment is a ransom for the release of your sister.

It doesn't matter if you owed something...the REASON you are paying that money is to get your sister back. Your sister had nothing to do with the debt...she was a victim of a kidnapping. She wasn't a part of an electric bill.

You paid money, owed or not, to get her back. RANSOM.

Cripes, Iran is saying it was a ransom. Why is anyone arguing this?

Only a person feeling guilty would try to cover it up and say it wasn't a ransom in order not to look bad.

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Nailed it again CU

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

It was ransom.

Again, if you owed a bar tab, and the bar owner kidnaps your sister, and you pay the bar tab to get her released...the payment is a ransom for the release of your sister.

It doesn't matter if you owed something...the REASON you are paying that money is to get your sister back. Your sister had nothing to do with the debt...she was a victim of a kidnapping. She wasn't a part of an electric bill.

You paid money, owed or not, to get her back. RANSOM.

Cripes, Iran is saying it was a ransom. Why is anyone arguing this?

Only a person feeling guilty would try to cover it up and say it wasn't a ransom in order not to look bad.

You pay the bar tab because you are not a shit heel. You give the bar keep back his sister that he demanded for your sister.

Not ransom.

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

Nailed it again UAH.

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

It was a ransom

Here........let me help you out a little:

RANSOM

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

It was a ransom

Here........let me help you out a little:

RANSOM

That said extort money right in the first line. This was owed money. You did help, thanks for the proof Alf. Not ransom.

Great work by you. Great work by me too.

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

Nailed it again UAH.

[YoUDeeMan]

It was a ransom

Here........let me help you out a little:

RANSOM

That said extort money right in the first line. This was owed money. You did help, thanks for the proof Alf. Not ransom.

Great work by you. Great work by me too.

Extort: the practice of obtaining something, especially money, through force or threats.

Ranson: Ransom is the practice of holding a prisoner or item to extort money or property to secure their release, or it may refer to the sum of money involved.

UAH...you are doubling down on stupid, which is very unlike you.

Again, the money for the arms deal was a separate transaction and you are mixing your money sources.

UAH, legally, you aren't even in the same universe as the correct answer on this. I'd be thrown in jail and laughed out of the court system if I tried to argue that it was standard practice to capture your sister in order to recover payment for some other transaction I had with you.

This is not difficult...and it isn't a form of Deliverance type justice. The money, regardless of whether it was owed for something years ago, was paid for the release of the hostages. That is paying a RANSOM.

You simply can't get around that no matter how hard you try.

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

BOOM! In your face Gri.....Ursus

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[BDKJMU]

OK thanks for allowing me to continue to say it was ransom.

It was ransom.

Agreed and there is no other way to look at it.

Ditto.

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

That said extort money right in the first line. This was owed money. You did help, thanks for the proof Alf. Not ransom.

Great work by you. Great work by me too.

Extort: the practice of obtaining something, especially money, through force or threats.

Ranson: Ransom is the practice of holding a prisoner or item to extort money or property to secure their release, or it may refer to the sum of money involved.

UAH...you are doubling down on stupid, which is very unlike you.

Again, the money for the arms deal was a separate transaction and you are mixing your money sources.

UAH, legally, you aren't even in the same universe as the correct answer on this. I'd be thrown in jail and laughed out of the court system if I tried to argue that it was standard practice to capture your sister in order to recover payment for some other transaction I had with you.

This is not difficult...and it isn't a form of Deliverance type justice. The money, regardless of whether it was owed for something years ago, was paid for the release of the hostages. That is paying a RANSOM.

You simply can't get around that no matter how hard you try.

Legally? WTF are you talking about? You made up the sister analogy that is weak as shit. I didn't do that so whatever you want to do with it is really not related to this.

I mentioned trading sisters due to your analogy in that both sides had hostages...we took the money, we owed it back, we paid our bill.

It was part of an overall negotiation with what appeared to be several parts right...that is one of them, returning each others people is part of it, nuclear shit is part of it. But all the sudden this comes back around now 8 months after the fact with a new narrative and all the mouthpieces always rolling their tongues as to what conspiracy they want to put out there just get themselves all lathered up.

If we paid them money we didn't owe back then we wouldn't even be having this argument because you would be dead on. It just doesn't look like that is what happened here if you ask me. We look at the same situation and see different things. I'm not changing your POV, you are not making headway changing mine.

If that changes I'll let you know.

Should I start reading Breitbart or what is the best Republican conspiracy shit site I should go to so I can make sure and be on you side of the debate next time? Maybe Alex Jones? Let me know.

[Wedgebuster]

You are arguing with an infantile retardo Ursus, and you are entirely right, again.

I keep his shit entirely on ignore, it is not worth the recycled diaper stains it is composed upon.

[YoUDeeMan]

You are arguing with an infantile retardo Ursus, and you are entirely right, again.

I keep his shit entirely on ignore, it is not worth the recycled diaper stains it is composed upon.

You are so full of crap that your arteries don't even want to put up with you anymore. Darwinism will take you out soon enough, then the world will be without one more retarded blowhard.

[CAA Flagship]

If we paid them money we didn't owe back then we wouldn't even be having this argument because you would be dead on. It just doesn't look like that is what happened here if you ask me. We look at the same situation and see different things. I'm not changing your POV, you are not making headway changing mine.

Then answer me this. Why is it that the American people didn't find out about this until recently?
Why not get ahead of this shitstorm and explain what is going on in real time so that it doesn't "look like" ransom when somebody does find out months later?

So what is it? An example of poor judgement or an example of trying to do something secretly that is against US policy?

[Skjellyfetti]

Then answer me this. Why is it that the American people didn't find out about this until recently?
Why not get ahead of this shitstorm and explain what is going on in real time so that it doesn't "look like" ransom when somebody does find out months later?

So what is it? An example of poor judgement or an example of trying to do something secretly that is against US policy?

Because people don't pay attention to the news or have a short memory (or both).


Wall Street Journal.

January 16, 2016

U.S. Payment of $1.7 Billion to Iran Raises Questions of Ransom

http://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-payment ... 1453421778

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

If we paid them money we didn't owe back then we wouldn't even be having this argument because you would be dead on. It just doesn't look like that is what happened here if you ask me. We look at the same situation and see different things. I'm not changing your POV, you are not making headway changing mine.

Then answer me this. Why is it that the American people didn't find out about this until recently?
Why not get ahead of this shitstorm and explain what is going on in real time so that it doesn't "look like" ransom when somebody does find out months later?

So what is it? An example of poor judgement or an example of trying to do something secretly that is against US policy?

We didn't find out about it until recently? I can't answer that for you since it was reported and a press briefing done in January. Why you or I or anyone else didn't know about it is probably up to us I would guess. I'm not gonna go find it but Josh Earnest did a briefing on the subject in January from what I saw a while back.

So if they did do what you suggest and then you have Trump start doing his made up crap and getting new attention to it from others which is then picked up by a large conspiracy machine known as the current state of the Republican party then what should they have done since what you suggest was done?

In other words I think it "looks like" whatever you are predisposed to believe it is, no matter that what you suggested here was actually done.

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

Ah, I guess skjelly provided a link for your perusal so now you can just use that as part of my reply that I wasn't going to do for you.

[JohnStOnge]

Guys, the people being held were not "hostages." Iran wasn't saying "give us money and we'll release them."

Instead, the US and Iran negotiated a settlement of a debt owed by the United States to Iran. The United States agreed to pay the debt. THEN, the United States said, "Oh, by the way, we're not going to pay the debt unless you release these prisoners."

That's not ransom. Ransom is when you detain somebody and say "We're not letting them go unless you give us money" then you give them money. That's not what happened in this case. I think this is a fair discussion of the incident:

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/editoria ... story.html

Republicans gloated over Kirby’s concession. “We now know it was ransom,” Rep. Ed Royce (R-Fullerton), chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, told The New York Times.

Royce has it exactly backward. Iran wasn’t using the hostages to get more from the United States than it was entitled to; the United States was using Iran’s money — funds Iran had paid for weapons that the U.S. never delivered — to ensure that Iran fulfilled its promise to release Americans who shouldn’t have been held.

It wasn't ransom guys. You can say it was all you want but it wasn't. And I think that really in your intellectually honest hearts you know it wasn't. Saying it was "ransom" makes a nice sound bite. But it's not true.

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Right, we paid them back $1.7 Billion then gave them a ransom of $400 million

Just like we have been saying........RANSOM

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

Right, we paid them back $1.7 Billion then gave them a ransom of $400 million

Just like we have been saying........RANSOM

I think the 400 was part of the 1.7 so what you would be saying is that we paid a 1.7 billion Ransom? That makes sense to you? Ah, never mind, of course it does.

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Right, we paid them back $1.7 Billion then gave them a ransom of $400 million

Just like we have been saying........RANSOM

I think the 400 was part of the 1.7 so what you would be saying is that we paid a 1.7 billion Ransom? That makes sense to you? Ah, never mind, of course it does.

Why dont you take thumby, mouthy mouth and fucky fuck.............yeah you know where I am going with this and I will guaranDAMNtee not one word of this will be discussed in Iowa......if I make it there and dont get shot or something.

[Skjellyfetti]

Right, we paid them back $1.7 Billion then gave them a ransom of $400 million

Just like we have been saying........RANSOM

And people refuse to read.

This shit is explained in simple english.

I don't know why I bother.

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

I think the 400 was part of the 1.7 so what you would be saying is that we paid a 1.7 billion Ransom? That makes sense to you? Ah, never mind, of course it does.

Why dont you take thumby, mouthy mouth and fucky fuck.............yeah you know where I am going with this and I will guaranDAMNtee not one word of this will be discussed in Iowa......if I make it there and dont get shot or something.

Stop driving like an asshole and pull thumby out of yer ass and you wouldn't have to worry about that.