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[Ibanez]

Yes....

How old were you then?

4. What does that have to do with Ron Paul's 2012 campaign?

[CAA Flagship]

How old were you then?

4. What does that have to do with Ron Paul's 2012 campaign?

Did he run in 2012? I thought he only ran in 1988. I thought Johnson was on the Libertarian ticket in 2012.

[Ibanez]

4. What does that have to do with Ron Paul's 2012 campaign?

Did he run in 2012? I thought he only ran in 1988. I thought Johnson was on the Libertarian ticket in 2012.

Ron Paul ran in 2012 and possibly in 2008, I don't recall.

[CAA Flagship]

Did he run in 2012? I thought he only ran in 1988. I thought Johnson was on the Libertarian ticket in 2012.

Ron Paul ran in 2012 and possibly in 2008, I don't recall.

I don't feel like looking this up, but I'm pretty sure Gary Johnson ran in 2012. Maybe Paul lost in the primary.
But either way, Paul was never a threat at POTUS. Not even to the Jill Stein level.

[Ibanez]

Ron Paul ran in 2012 and possibly in 2008, I don't recall.

I don't feel like looking this up, but I'm pretty sure Gary Johnson ran in 2012. Maybe Paul lost in the primary.
But either way, Paul was never a threat at POTUS. Not even to the Jill Stein level.

Who said anything about threat

[CAA Flagship]

I don't feel like looking this up, but I'm pretty sure Gary Johnson ran in 2012. Maybe Paul lost in the primary.
But either way, Paul was never a threat at POTUS. Not even to the Jill Stein level.

Who said anything about threat

Threat as in stealing a significant amount of votes from a challenger. There is no reason to talk about anyone with less than 1%. I'm saying that THAT is why nobody was talking ("giving grief") about Paul.

[Ibanez]

Who said anything about threat

Threat as in stealing a significant amount of votes from a challenger. There is no reason to talk about anyone with less than 1%. I'm saying that THAT is why nobody was talking ("giving grief") about Paul.

Yeah, but what about D1B?

[AshevilleApp]

I'm still not understanding your dislike of making a conscience vote in a state where it's decidedly going one way or another. If I was still in NC or another battleground state, I'd understand your point more and would reluctantly choose a side. Here in SC, not so much.

Two national scenarios:
1) Hillary 47% Trump 45%
2) Hillary 55% Trump 37%

Which scenario would give Hillary the "balls" to push her entire agenda without conceding even a little bit to the right?

Over? Did you say Over?

Assuming a Hillary win, how can she push an agenda through without Congressional support? Maybe she can help a Dem takeover in one or both houses, but I doubt it.

[kalm]

Two national scenarios:
1) Hillary 47% Trump 45%
2) Hillary 55% Trump 37%

Which scenario would give Hillary the "balls" to push her entire agenda without conceding even a little bit to the right?

Over? Did you say Over?

Assuming a Hillary win, how can she push an agenda through without Congressional support? Maybe she can help a Dem takeover in one or both houses, but I doubt it.

Yeah! I hope the Republicans fight her tooth and nail on getting her neo-con agenda passed!

[CID1990]

Two national scenarios:
1) Hillary 47% Trump 45%
2) Hillary 55% Trump 37%

Which scenario would give Hillary the "balls" to push her entire agenda without conceding even a little bit to the right?

Over? Did you say Over?

Assuming a Hillary win, how can she push an agenda through without Congressional support? Maybe she can help a Dem takeover in one or both houses, but I doubt it.

Obama will leave her his pen and phone


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[BDKJMU]

And here we go again. You're so brave voting for a different idiot who has no shot at winning.

Trump has no chance to win this.

Right now, I think votes for both Trump AND Johnson are futile. The reason for this is because Clinton is now so far ahead of Trump. He has no electoral college path to the White House.

A month or so ago, I was all in for Johnson not so much because I think he would be a better President (he would) but because when the race between Clinton and Trump was tight, Johnson could have denied both of them 270 just by winning 2-3 states... NM, NV and maybe Idaho or Wyoming were possible. If that happened, the election would go to Congress and we would almost certainly wind up with Paul Ryan. That would be much better than Clintorus or Trump.

Now, because Clinton is so far ahead of Trump, Johnson would have to pull down several states to deny her the 270 and that isn't happening.

The GOP needs to be throwing its resources exclusively behind the vulnerable Senate and House races. One penny on Trump is wasted.

Then hopefully someone viable can run against Hillary in 2020.

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Ahem..

[BDKJMU]

Trump has no chance to win this.

Right now, I think votes for both Trump AND Johnson are futile. The reason for this is because Clinton is now so far ahead of Trump. He has no electoral college path to the White House.

A month or so ago, I was all in for Johnson not so much because I think he would be a better President (he would) but because when the race between Clinton and Trump was tight, Johnson could have denied both of them 270 just by winning 2-3 states... NM, NV and maybe Idaho or Wyoming were possible. If that happened, the election would go to Congress and we would almost certainly wind up with Paul Ryan. That would be much better than Clintorus or Trump.

Now, because Clinton is so far ahead of Trump, Johnson would have to pull down several states to deny her the 270 and that isn't happening.

The GOP needs to be throwing its resources exclusively behind the vulnerable Senate and House races. One penny on Trump is wasted.

Then hopefully someone viable can run against Hillary in 2020.

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If Trump gets beaten as badly as it appears he will after this excuse for a debate, conks will lose the Senate and barely keep the House. I think Ryan was hoping for your scenario given the way he was sucking liberal dick with his epiphany about poverty. Now the conks won't trust him either.

[BDKJMU]

Yep. Cute moral stands get you nowhere..

Here's my prediction: Take EVERY Johnson vote, add them to Trump's total, and he STILL won't have as many votes as the Hildabeast. The ONLY chance of keeping both of those morons out of the White House is to have Johnson win 4-5 key states (which IS possible), and send this thing to the senate. Johnson doesn't have to WIN he just has to get at least one electoral vote.

Nope. Trump's + Johnson's total exceeded Clinton's by about 2.5 million.
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