SEIU Official Conspires to Destroy US Economy

[native]

White House visitor and former SEIU executive Stephen Lerner put forth his plan to destroy the system and bring down the US economy in remarks made at "The Left Forum" this past weekend.

http://www.businessinsider.com/seiu-uni ... y-jpmorgan" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://theothermccain.com/2011/03/22/ec ... e-country/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[D1B]

Lerner is so fucking cool.

[Grizalltheway]

Take a look at the article linked at the bottom of the first one. Much more relevant/important.

[native]

Lerner is so **** cool.

Thanks for admitting your feelings publicly and confirming our suspicions, d.

I would congratulate you for your courage in doing so, but that would imply falsely that you possess some modest levels of relevant cognition and situational awareness.

[kalm]

Lerner is so **** cool.

Thanks for admitting your feelings publicly and confirming our suspicions, d.

I would congratulate you for your courage in doing so, but that would imply falsely that you possess some modest levels of relevant cognition and situational awareness.

(you don't really believe this bullshit do ya Nate? But in the 1/1000000000000000000 chance you and Glenn may be right, disregard my smarminess and reserve my spot at the compound. )

[Ivytalk]

What an unmitigated douchebag. Makes Andy Stern look coherent.

[native]

Thanks for admitting your feelings publicly and confirming our suspicions, d.

I would congratulate you for your courage in doing so, but that would imply falsely that you possess some modest levels of relevant cognition and situational awareness.

(you don't really believe this bullshit do ya Nate? But in the 1/1000000000000000000 chance you and Glenn may be right, disregard my smarminess and reserve my spot at the compound. )

I don't believe Lerner and his cronies will succeed in their endeavors, kalm, but I believe he said what he said and meant it, that he served as an SEIU executive, that he was most likely the Lerner who visited the White House, and that his expressed thoughts accurately represent the feelings of many of the looney left and some who post here.

And yes, I really do believe that D1B is what he represents himself to be.

Why did you bring up Beck? I did not post any references to him, and I do not recall any references to Beck in the posted links. Are you trying to distract attention from Lerner and his embarrassing acceptance in your left wing circles?

[D1B]

(you don't really believe this bullshit do ya Nate? But in the 1/1000000000000000000 chance you and Glenn may be right, disregard my smarminess and reserve my spot at the compound. )

I don't believe Lerner and his cronies will succeed in their endeavors, kalm, but I believe he said what he said and meant it, that he served as an SEIU executive, that he was most likely the Lerner who visited the White House, and that his expressed thoughts accurately represent the feelings of many of the looney left and some who post here.

And yes, I really do believe that D1B is what he represents himself to be.

Why did you bring up Beck? I did not post any references to him, and I do not recall any references to Beck in the posted links. Are you trying to distract attention from Lerner and his embarrassing acceptance in your left wing circles?

Thought you'd want this

[TwinTownBisonFan]

What an unmitigated douchebag. Makes Andy Stern look coherent.

whoa whoa whoa

whoa.

you sir, are wrong. dead wrong.

this guy has a plan... that puts him one up on ol' Andy.

[kalm]

(you don't really believe this bullshit do ya Nate? But in the 1/1000000000000000000 chance you and Glenn may be right, disregard my smarminess and reserve my spot at the compound. )

I don't believe Lerner and his cronies will succeed in their endeavors, kalm, but I believe he said what he said and meant it, that he served as an SEIU executive, that he was most likely the Lerner who visited the White House, and that his expressed thoughts accurately represent the feelings of many of the looney left and some who post here.

And yes, I really do believe that D1B is what he represents himself to be.

Why did you bring up Beck? I did not post any references to him, and I do not recall any references to Beck in the posted links. Are you trying to distract attention from Lerner and his embarrassing acceptance in your left wing circles?

Politics
Revealed — The Left’s Economic Terrorism Playbook: The Chase Campaign by a Coalition of Unions, Community Groups, Lawmakers and Students to Take Down US Capitalism and Redistribute Wealth & Power

So you post a link to businessinsider.com which cites a "news" report and tape produced by the Blaze which describes some dude I've never heard who use to be an official of a union that represented part of 10% of the labor force speaking at some school I've never heard of about his secrect plan to go all "Fight Club" on the financial sector and I'm supposed to grab my powder and gun?

1) If a bunch of wealth was redistributed upwards during the crisis, wouldn't returning it to it's rightful owners be the same as tax cuts giving us back our money?

2) Have you or anyone else ever met a community organizer? If so, what do they look like?

3) He was a white house visitor? So were the Green Bay Packers. Did you know they were in on this conspiracy?

3b) And George H.W. Bush was having breakfast on the morning of 9/11 with a Bin Laden.

[D1B]

I don't believe Lerner and his cronies will succeed in their endeavors, kalm, but I believe he said what he said and meant it, that he served as an SEIU executive, that he was most likely the Lerner who visited the White House, and that his expressed thoughts accurately represent the feelings of many of the looney left and some who post here.

And yes, I really do believe that D1B is what he represents himself to be.

Why did you bring up Beck? I did not post any references to him, and I do not recall any references to Beck in the posted links. Are you trying to distract attention from Lerner and his embarrassing acceptance in your left wing circles?

Politics
Revealed — The Left’s Economic Terrorism Playbook: The Chase Campaign by a Coalition of Unions, Community Groups, Lawmakers and Students to Take Down US Capitalism and Redistribute Wealth & Power

So you post a link to businessinsider.com which cites a "news" report and tape produced by the Blaze which describes some dude I've never heard who use to be an official of a union that represented part of 10% of the labor force speaking at some school I've never heard of about his secrect plan to go all "Fight Club" on the financial sector and I'm supposed to grab my powder and gun?

1) If a bunch of wealth was redistributed upwards during the crisis, wouldn't returning it to it's rightful owners be the same as tax cuts giving us back our money?

2) Have you or anyone else ever met a community organizer? If so, what do they look like?

3) He was a white house visitor? So were the Green Bay Packers. Did you know they were in on this conspiracy?

3b) And George H.W. Bush was having breakfast on the morning of 9/11 with a Bin Laden.

[native]

I don't believe Lerner and his cronies will succeed in their endeavors, kalm, but I believe he said what he said and meant it, that he served as an SEIU executive, that he was most likely the Lerner who visited the White House, and that his expressed thoughts accurately represent the feelings of many of the looney left and some who post here.

And yes, I really do believe that D1B is what he represents himself to be.

Why did you bring up Beck? I did not post any references to him, and I do not recall any references to Beck in the posted links. Are you trying to distract attention from Lerner and his embarrassing acceptance in your left wing circles?

Politics
Revealed — The Left’s Economic Terrorism Playbook: The Chase Campaign by a Coalition of Unions, Community Groups, Lawmakers and Students to Take Down US Capitalism and Redistribute Wealth & Power

So you post a link to businessinsider.com which cites a "news" report and tape produced by the Blaze which describes some dude I've never heard who use to be an official of a union that represented part of 10% of the labor force speaking at some school I've never heard of about his secrect plan to go all "Fight Club" on the financial sector and I'm supposed to grab my powder and gun?

1) If a bunch of wealth was redistributed upwards during the crisis, wouldn't returning it to it's rightful owners be the same as tax cuts giving us back our money?

2) Have you or anyone else ever met a community organizer? If so, what do they look like?

3) He was a white house visitor? So were the Green Bay Packers. Did you know they were in on this conspiracy?

3b) And George H.W. Bush was having breakfast on the morning of 9/11 with a Bin Laden.

I give you credit for trying hard, kalm, but your attempt throw sh!t on the wall to see what sticks in an effort to establish a non-existent moral equivalency is an epic fail. I realize that language is not as precise as math, but if there were substance to your arguments you could do a lot better in achieving symmetry, balance and relevance.

If you have not heard of Stephen Lerner you have not paid attention. He has been a prominent leftie and union executive for years, outspoken on many issues, and received plenty of attention in the media, including MSNBC, CNBC and the Huffington Post. Do you doubt that Stephen Lerner was an SEIU executive or that he said what he said?

I know why the Green Bay Packers were invited to the White House. Why do you think Stephen Lerner was invited to the White House? Does it matter to you? Do you think people invited to the White House should be screened? Do you think everyone named bin Laden is guilty of the sins of their relative Osama? I do not recall tapes of GW making booster speeches at Al Qaida meetings.

What are you really trying to say? That you are embarrassed by Lerner, recognize the political danger he represents for Democrats, and will do eveything possible to obfuscate the issues and change the subject, or that you embrace Lerner and his ideas? All of the above?

Here is what I am trying to say: Lerner is more dangerous than the kook who got locked up for making Ron Paul coins. Lerner brings disrepute to unionism, Obama, the SEIU, the left and Democrats. What I am not trying to say is that you should grab your powder and gun. You made that part up.

You ask "What am I supposed to do?" In my opinion, what you are supposed to do is to acknowledge the truth that Stephen Lerner accurately represents the views of much of union and Democrat leadership (not rank and file), that his point of view enjoys far too much credence in the Obama administration, and that you disavow Lerner and his ilk.

But I do not think you will do what you are supposed to do.

You are intellectually comfortable with communists. I am not.
You do not fear the slippery slope. I do.
You do not have a vision for the future based on the libertarian essence of the Constitution. I do.
I get all that.

[Baldy]

I don't believe Lerner and his cronies will succeed in their endeavors, kalm, but I believe he said what he said and meant it, that he served as an SEIU executive, that he was most likely the Lerner who visited the White House, and that his expressed thoughts accurately represent the feelings of many of the looney left and some who post here.

And yes, I really do believe that D1B is what he represents himself to be.

Why did you bring up Beck? I did not post any references to him, and I do not recall any references to Beck in the posted links. Are you trying to distract attention from Lerner and his embarrassing acceptance in your left wing circles?

Politics
Revealed — The Left’s Economic Terrorism Playbook: The Chase Campaign by a Coalition of Unions, Community Groups, Lawmakers and Students to Take Down US Capitalism and Redistribute Wealth & Power

So you post a link to businessinsider.com which cites a "news" report and tape produced by the Blaze which describes some dude I've never heard who use to be an official of a union that represented part of 10% of the labor force speaking at some school I've never heard of about his secrect plan to go all "Fight Club" on the financial sector and I'm supposed to grab my powder and gun?

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[native]

What an unmitigated douchebag. Makes Andy Stern look coherent.

whoa whoa whoa

whoa.

you sir, are wrong. dead wrong.

this guy has a plan... that puts him one up on ol' Andy.

...just love the fake SCLC timbre and cadence of Obama's voice when he speaks to leftie audiences... reminds me of the comical effect of Hilary speaking at Black churches in the primary campaign... but Obama's affectation is more convincing.

[kalm]

Politics
Revealed — The Left’s Economic Terrorism Playbook: The Chase Campaign by a Coalition of Unions, Community Groups, Lawmakers and Students to Take Down US Capitalism and Redistribute Wealth & Power

So you post a link to businessinsider.com which cites a "news" report and tape produced by the Blaze which describes some dude I've never heard who use to be an official of a union that represented part of 10% of the labor force speaking at some school I've never heard of about his secrect plan to go all "Fight Club" on the financial sector and I'm supposed to grab my powder and gun?

1) If a bunch of wealth was redistributed upwards during the crisis, wouldn't returning it to it's rightful owners be the same as tax cuts giving us back our money?

2) Have you or anyone else ever met a community organizer? If so, what do they look like?

3) He was a white house visitor? So were the Green Bay Packers. Did you know they were in on this conspiracy?

3b) And George H.W. Bush was having breakfast on the morning of 9/11 with a Bin Laden.

I give you credit for trying hard, kalm, but your attempt throw sh!t on the wall to see what sticks in an effort to establish a non-existent moral equivalency is an epic fail. I realize that language is not as precise as math, but if there were substance to your arguments you could do a lot better in achieving symmetry, balance and relevance.

If you have not heard of Stephen Lerner you have not paid attention. He has been a prominent leftie and union executive for years, outspoken on many issues, and received plenty of attention in the media, including MSNBC, CNBC and the Huffington Post. Do you doubt that Stephen Lerner was an SEIU executive or that he said what he said?

I know why the Green Bay Packers were invited to the White House. Why do you think Stephen Lerner was invited to the White House? Does it matter to you? Do you think people invited to the White House should be screened? Do you think everyone named bin Laden is guilty of the sins of their relative Osama? I do not recall tapes of GW making booster speeches at Al Qaida meetings.

What are you really trying to say? That you are embarrassed by Lerner, recognize the political danger he represents for Democrats, and will do eveything possible to obfuscate the issues and change the subject, or that you embrace Lerner and his ideas? All of the above?

Here is what I am trying to say: Lerner is more dangerous than the kook who got locked up for making Ron Paul coins. Lerner brings disrepute to unionism, Obama, the SEIU, the left and Democrats. What I am not trying to say is that you should grab your powder and gun. You made that part up.

You ask "What am I supposed to do?" In my opinion, what you are supposed to do is to acknowledge the truth that Stephen Lerner accurately represents the views of much of union and Democrat leadership (not rank and file), that his point of view enjoys far too much credence in the Obama administration, and that you disavow Lerner and his ilk.

But I do not think you will do what you are supposed to do.

You are intellectually comfortable with communists. I am not.
You do not fear the slippery slope. I do.
You do not have a vision for the future based on the libertarian essence of the Constitution. I do.
I get all that.

First, let me get this off my chest. I was hopeful, but never googly eyed about Obama, and lost faith his first week in office when he appointed Geithner and Summers. Second, I'm not a union supporter. I've never been a member of a union and I'm now part of the evil management decider class - suppressing wages and worker rights. I also have first hand knowledge through those very close to me about how much of a giant pain in the ass public employee unions can be. But I've always liked the underdog, and I loathe entrenched power whether it's in the form of government monopolies or private sector monopolies. So I guess you could say I'm particularly neutral when it comes to labor.

[*]I'm intellectually comfortable with just about anybody. You are not. I have never met a real live communist/socialist. Probably because there are so few card carrying members and the national organizations are even less relevant than the unions.

[*]I do not fear the slippery slope of union led communism because it didn't happen when they had much more power, and they have far less power now. Baldy's clip from the campaign is outdated, and actions speak louder than words. Obama made lots of promises to many groups - it's what politicians do. But what has he done during his presidency to strengthen union power? For that matter, what has he done to improve conditions for the middle class? His is the third term of the Bush II administration.

[*] I'm all for individual rights and have a rather deep loathing for groups and fraternal organizations. I don't think either unions or corporations deserve the same rights as individuals. So you could say, at least in that regard, I'm rather fond of the "libertarian essence" of the constituion.

Sorry my friend, but you're hysterics over this one are laughable. When you start threads about monopolies and consolidation of power in the private sector through the manipulation of government, I'll start taking you more seriously.

[native]

I give you credit for trying hard, kalm, but your attempt throw sh!t on the wall to see what sticks in an effort to establish a non-existent moral equivalency is an epic fail. I realize that language is not as precise as math, but if there were substance to your arguments you could do a lot better in achieving symmetry, balance and relevance.

If you have not heard of Stephen Lerner you have not paid attention. He has been a prominent leftie and union executive for years, outspoken on many issues, and received plenty of attention in the media, including MSNBC, CNBC and the Huffington Post. Do you doubt that Stephen Lerner was an SEIU executive or that he said what he said?

I know why the Green Bay Packers were invited to the White House. Why do you think Stephen Lerner was invited to the White House? Does it matter to you? Do you think people invited to the White House should be screened? Do you think everyone named bin Laden is guilty of the sins of their relative Osama? I do not recall tapes of GW making booster speeches at Al Qaida meetings.

What are you really trying to say? That you are embarrassed by Lerner, recognize the political danger he represents for Democrats, and will do eveything possible to obfuscate the issues and change the subject, or that you embrace Lerner and his ideas? All of the above?

Here is what I am trying to say: Lerner is more dangerous than the kook who got locked up for making Ron Paul coins. Lerner brings disrepute to unionism, Obama, the SEIU, the left and Democrats. What I am not trying to say is that you should grab your powder and gun. You made that part up.

You ask "What am I supposed to do?" In my opinion, what you are supposed to do is to acknowledge the truth that Stephen Lerner accurately represents the views of much of union and Democrat leadership (not rank and file), that his point of view enjoys far too much credence in the Obama administration, and that you disavow Lerner and his ilk.

But I do not think you will do what you are supposed to do.

You are intellectually comfortable with communists. I am not.
You do not fear the slippery slope. I do.
You do not have a vision for the future based on the libertarian essence of the Constitution. I do.
I get all that.

First, let me get this off my chest. I was hopeful, but never googly eyed about Obama, and lost faith his first week in office when he appointed Geithner and Summers. Second, I'm not a union supporter. I've never been a member of a union and I'm now part of the evil management decider class - suppressing wages and worker rights. I also have first hand knowledge through those very close to me about how much of a giant pain in the ass public employee unions can be. But I've always liked the underdog, and I loathe entrenched power whether it's in the form of government monopolies or private sector monopolies. So I guess you could say I'm particularly neutral when it comes to labor.

[*]I'm intellectually comfortable with just about anybody. You are not. I have never met a real live communist/socialist. Probably because there are so few card carrying members and the national organizations are even less relevant than the unions.

[*]I do not fear the slippery slope of union led communism because it didn't happen when they had much more power, and they have far less power now. Baldy's clip from the campaign is outdated, and actions speak louder than words. Obama made lots of promises to many groups - it's what politicians do. But what has he done during his presidency to strengthen union power? For that matter, what has he done to improve conditions for the middle class? His is the third term of the Bush II administration.

[*] I'm all for individual rights and have a rather deep loathing for groups and fraternal organizations. I don't think either unions or corporations deserve the same rights as individuals. So you could say, at least in that regard, I'm rather fond of the "libertarian essence" of the constituion.

Sorry my friend, but you're hysterics over this one are laughable. When you start threads about monopolies and consolidation of power in the private sector through the manipulation of government, I'll start taking you more seriously.

Thank you for your erudition, except for the snotty little remark about hysteria, which was neither erudite nor accurate. I should also point out that I am intellectually comfortable with and maintain friendships with a wide variety of people, including the socialists and Dems I went to college with, but that does not mean I share or support their ideas, or that I have any patience for seditious jackasses like Lerner, who deserves to be jailed far more than the harmless fool who made the Ron Paul coins.

Curious that you avoided the substance of the Stephen Lerner post. TTBF's silence is telling. Your avoidance is disappointing. I do not go to such great lengths to avoid similarly difficult and embarrassing situations on my side of the aisle and will feely admit, for example, that Michelle Bachmann is not Presidential material.

Unions have far less power? In some parts of the country this is true, kalm. But in California, the union monopoly of government is already destroying the state. I am surprised you did not mention this in your missive.

If your professed affinity for the little guy and individual opportunity are genuine, and your fear and loathing for monopoly, entrenched power, and using government to consolidate private power are equally so, then you and I share a great deal in terms of values.

Where we disagree are your wacky socialist/progressive solutions. You proclaim a love of the Constitution's libertarian essence, but you run away from its solutions as fast as you can. Again, curious.

[Chizzang]

I read the first article... and I'm not sure what was in it that is so disturbing..?
It sounds like talk from a disgruntled ex-union official who's pointing out the inequities rampant in present day America that are obvious for all to see and for which there is no soultion shy of some kind of revolution.

big deal...

Next

Okay read the second article..
same thing / only different
Pointing out that those not in power frequently attempt to chip away at the supporting structure of those in power...

Okee-Dokee,
I think we're all aware of that concept - also goes on to explain that Socialists don't like Capitalists (and so on)



wake me up when something interesting happens

[kalm]

I read the first article... and I'm not sure what was in it that is so disturbing..?
It sounds like talk from a disgruntled ex-union official who's pointing out the inequities rampant in present day America that are obvious for all to see and for which there is no soultion shy of some kind of revolution.

big deal...

Next

Okay read the second article..
same thing / only different
Pointing out that those not in power frequently attempt to chip away at the supporting structure of those in power...

Okee-Dokee,
I think we're all aware of that concept - also goes on to explain that Socialists don't like Capitalists (and so on)



wake me up when something interesting happens

Exactly!

Look Nate, I know it's much sexier and fits your politics to believe in conspiracy theories about how Obama and the twisted evil unions bankrupted the country and are now plotting the coup de grace. But seriously, where are you on the fact that the Fed loaned $9 trillion to the banks during the financial crisis? How does that jive with your libertarianetudeness?

http://money.cnn.com/2010/12/01/news/ec ... /index.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I should also point out that I am intellectually comfortable with and maintain friendships with a wide variety of people, including the socialists and Dems I went to college with, but that does not mean I share or support their ideas, or that I have any patience for seditious jackasses like Lerner, who deserves to be jailed far more than the harmless fool who made the Ron Paul coins.

Yeah, about that love of the constitution thingy.

[Chizzang]

There is no evidence that Obama is anything other than a Wall Street puppet...
Like virtually every President - The Federal Reserve System and "The Street" are their buddies
He is beholden to the golden gods and his little "public hand slap" of wall street was more of a show than anything else

I am interested in any evidence to the contrary - it would be refreshing news
Because so far Obama has proven to be just like every other President in that regard...