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How big a problem is this for Hillary in '16?

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http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/02/politics/ ... index.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Washington (CNN)Hillary Clinton did not have a State Department email account while she served as America's top diplomat, a senior state department official said Monday, and instead used a personal email account during her four years on the job.

Using personal email as a sole method of communication appears to break rules outlined by the National Archives and Records Administration. The government agency stipulates that personal email can only be used in "emergency situations," and when used, the emails "are captured and managed in accordance with agency record-keeping practices."

According to the Times report, Clinton's "aides took no actions to have her personal emails preserved on department servers at the time."
"For government business, she emailed them on their Department accounts, with every expectation they would be retained," he said in an emailed statement. "When the Department asked former Secretaries last year for help ensuring their emails were in fact retained, we immediately said yes."

Despite Clinton using a personal email address, all of her emails to official government accounts would be archived as received mail by the people on the other end of the email. Her communication with people not using government emails, however, would likely not be automatically kept.

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ASUG8 wrote:http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/02/politics/ ... index.html
Washington (CNN)Hillary Clinton did not have a State Department email account while she served as America's top diplomat, a senior state department official said Monday, and instead used a personal email account during her four years on the job.

Using personal email as a sole method of communication appears to break rules outlined by the National Archives and Records Administration. The government agency stipulates that personal email can only be used in "emergency situations," and when used, the emails "are captured and managed in accordance with agency record-keeping practices."

According to the Times report, Clinton's "aides took no actions to have her personal emails preserved on department servers at the time."
"For government business, she emailed them on their Department accounts, with every expectation they would be retained," he said in an emailed statement. "When the Department asked former Secretaries last year for help ensuring their emails were in fact retained, we immediately said yes."

Despite Clinton using a personal email address, all of her emails to official government accounts would be archived as received mail by the people on the other end of the email. Her communication with people not using government emails, however, would likely not be automatically kept.
The Lois Lerner school of email management.
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kalm wrote:
The Lois Lerner school of email management.
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Kind of what I was thinking. Fortunately we have the NSA spying on everybody so there shouldn't be any problem digging these emails up, right? :lol:

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I'm exhausted of Hillary. I would like to think I'm not alone. Her baggage of Bill fucking up on the Island of Underage Whores, the artist of his official WH portrait admitting he included Monica's dress and no wedding ring, all all this BS under Obama. You have to think her ship has sailed, right? I mean why put yourself through all the misery and humiliation? She's got money in the bank. Just let it go. That's what I would do. But I'm lazy.
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I'm gonna go out on a sturdy limb and suggest that she's not the first government official to do this.
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andy7171 wrote:I'm exhausted of Hillary. I would like to think I'm not alone. Her baggage of Bill **** up on the Island of Underage Whores, the artist of his official WH portrait admitting he included Monica's dress and no wedding ring, all all this BS under Obama. You have to think her ship has sailed, right? I mean why put yourself through all the misery and humiliation? She's got money in the bank. Just let it go. That's what I would do. But I'm lazy.
If not her who would the Democrats run? There's a dearth of decent candidates as it is and Hillary is by far one of the better candidates out there. I wouldn't be disappointed with a Clinton/Bush or a Clinton/Walker race. Compared to what we've had in the past few years both sides of the ticket could be pretty decent.
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andy7171 wrote:I'm exhausted of Hillary. I would like to think I'm not alone. Her baggage of Bill **** up on the Island of Underage Whores, the artist of his official WH portrait admitting he included Monica's dress and no wedding ring, all all this BS under Obama. You have to think her ship has sailed, right? I mean why put yourself through all the misery and humiliation? She's got money in the bank. Just let it go. That's what I would do. But I'm lazy.
If not her who would the Democrats run? There's a dearth of decent candidates as it is and Hillary is by far one of the better candidates out there. I wouldn't be disappointed with a Clinton/Bush or a Clinton/Walker race. Compared to what we've had in the past few years both sides of the ticket could be pretty decent.
That's a good point. I think post-2008 the Dems all collectively hitched their wagons to Clinton in '16. If something blows up there isn't another truly viable candidate waiting in the wings to take the nomination.

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If Hillary was murdering children with a chain saw and uploaded the video to YouTube women will still vote for her, they are not smart enough to not have tunnel vision and will try to elect her solely based on Clinton being the same gender.
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For the life of me, I can't imagine why Hilary would even CONSIDER using personal email for work. Personal email is supposed to be just that: communication with family and friends. There's supposed to be an expectation of privacy there. I wouldn't want Joe Schmo at work having my personal info so he can blow up my home inbox with trivial chain emails.

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SuperHornet wrote:For the life of me, I can't imagine why Hilary would even CONSIDER using personal email for work. Personal email is supposed to be just that: communication with family and friends. There's supposed to be an expectation of privacy there. I wouldn't want Joe Schmo at work having my personal info so he can blow up my home inbox with trivial chain emails.

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You know you can have multiple email accounts, right?

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SuperHornet wrote:For the life of me, I can't imagine why Hilary would even CONSIDER using personal email for work. Personal email is supposed to be just that: communication with family and friends. There's supposed to be an expectation of privacy there. I wouldn't want Joe Schmo at work having my personal info so he can blow up my home inbox with trivial chain emails.

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You'd think someone in government would be a little suspicious about getting an email from hilla2016@aol.com or fupotus@yahoo.com when everybody else is using a .gov email.

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ASUG8 wrote:You'd think someone in government would be a little suspicious about getting an email from hilla2016@aol.com or fupa@yahoo.com when everybody else is using a .gov email.
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ASUG8 wrote:You'd think someone in government would be a little suspicious about getting an email from hilla2016@aol.com or fupa@yahoo.com when everybody else is using a .gov email.
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Not being political in this response but I am shocked that the White House (or any real employer for that matter) would allow work e-mails to be sent by personal e-mails except in exceptional circumstances. Forget the government transparency reasons. Securitywise, her job made her deal with very secure information that the government servers were more equipped to handle than a third party. In addition, being able to track e-mails can be important for an employer and using personal e-mails prevents this especially when e-mailing 3rd parties.

I will say the same if I later hear that Rice or Powell did the same when they were in that position.

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tribe_pride wrote:Not being political in this response but I am shocked that the White House (or any real employer for that matter) would allow work e-mails to be sent by personal e-mails except in exceptional circumstances. Forget the government transparency reasons. Securitywise, her job made her deal with very secure information that the government servers were more equipped to handle than a third party. In addition, being able to track e-mails can be important for an employer and using personal e-mails prevents this especially when e-mailing 3rd parties.

I will say the same if I later hear that Rice or Powell did the same when they were in that position.
Bingo. You're not talking about some GS-7 Secretary/Admin Assistant. You're taking the Sec of f'ing State receiving and sending info, at least some of it undoubtedly highly classified info, using a not very secure personal e-mail account, EXCLUSIVELY for 4 years as Sec State. Heck, Petraus just pled guilty to "unauthorized removal and retention of classified material." In addition The Federal Records Act requiremes that officials’ correspondence be retained as part of the agency’s record. Any other govt employee did this they would be hosed. But since it's Hillary she'll just plead ignorance, blame it on the vast right wing conspiracy, and get away with it..

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AZGrizFan wrote:I'm gonna go out on a sturdy limb and suggest that she's not the first government official to do this.
Colin Powell did the same when he was Sec of State
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tribe_pride wrote:Not being political in this response but I am shocked that the White House (or any real employer for that matter) would allow work e-mails to be sent by personal e-mails except in exceptional circumstances. Forget the government transparency reasons. Securitywise, her job made her deal with very secure information that the government servers were more equipped to handle than a third party. In addition, being able to track e-mails can be important for an employer and using personal e-mails prevents this especially when e-mailing 3rd parties.

I will say the same if I later hear that Rice or Powell did the same when they were in that position.

Which they did
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BDKJMU wrote:
tribe_pride wrote:Not being political in this response but I am shocked that the White House (or any real employer for that matter) would allow work e-mails to be sent by personal e-mails except in exceptional circumstances. Forget the government transparency reasons. Securitywise, her job made her deal with very secure information that the government servers were more equipped to handle than a third party. In addition, being able to track e-mails can be important for an employer and using personal e-mails prevents this especially when e-mailing 3rd parties.

I will say the same if I later hear that Rice or Powell did the same when they were in that position.
Bingo. You're not talking about some GS-7 Secretary/Admin Assistant. You're taking the Sec of f'ing State receiving and sending info, at least some of it undoubtedly highly classified info, using a not very secure personal e-mail account, EXCLUSIVELY for 4 years as Sec State. Heck, Petraus just pled guilty to "unauthorized removal and retention of classified material." In addition The Federal Records Act requiremes that officials’ correspondence be retained as part of the agency’s record. Any other govt employee did this they would be hosed. But since it's Hillary she'll just plead ignorance, blame it on the vast right wing conspiracy, and get away with it..
So are you upset that Powell did the same thing?

And why are you so upset about her violating a law that was passed AFTER she left office?
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GannonFan wrote:
andy7171 wrote:I'm exhausted of Hillary. I would like to think I'm not alone. Her baggage of Bill **** up on the Island of Underage Whores, the artist of his official WH portrait admitting he included Monica's dress and no wedding ring, all all this BS under Obama. You have to think her ship has sailed, right? I mean why put yourself through all the misery and humiliation? She's got money in the bank. Just let it go. That's what I would do. But I'm lazy.
If not her who would the Democrats run? There's a dearth of decent candidates as it is and Hillary is by far one of the better candidates out there. I wouldn't be disappointed with a Clinton/Bush or a Clinton/Walker race. Compared to what we've had in the past few years both sides of the ticket could be pretty decent.
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Rob Iola wrote:
GannonFan wrote:
If not her who would the Democrats run? There's a dearth of decent candidates as it is and Hillary is by far one of the better candidates out there. I wouldn't be disappointed with a Clinton/Bush or a Clinton/Walker race. Compared to what we've had in the past few years both sides of the ticket could be pretty decent.
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dbackjon wrote:
BDKJMU wrote:
Bingo. You're not talking about some GS-7 Secretary/Admin Assistant. You're taking the Sec of f'ing State receiving and sending info, at least some of it undoubtedly highly classified info, using a not very secure personal e-mail account, EXCLUSIVELY for 4 years as Sec State. Heck, Petraus just pled guilty to "unauthorized removal and retention of classified material." In addition The Federal Records Act requiremes that officials’ correspondence be retained as part of the agency’s record. Any other govt employee did this they would be hosed. But since it's Hillary she'll just plead ignorance, blame it on the vast right wing conspiracy, and get away with it..
So are you upset that Powell did the same thing?

And why are you so upset about her violating a law that was passed AFTER she left office?
Technically speaking, the Presidential Records Act was passed in 1978, and at that time, included language such as "documentary materials … created by the President or his immediate staff.” In turn, the term documentary materials includes all books, correspondence, memorandums, documents, papers, pamphlets, works of art, models, pictures, photographs, plats, maps, films, and motion pictures, including, but not
limited to, audio, audiovisual, or other electronic or mechanical recordations."

The ammendments you are referring to, which ammended the PRA and were passed in 2014, did not substantially alter the general idea that electronic correspondence needed to be archived or archivable, just clarified where it was to be kept.

I really don't care greatly as I think this is a pretty trivial thing unless she was using something really weak in terms of security, but it would appear to be a violation of the PRA, technically speaking.
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dbackjon wrote:
BDKJMU wrote:
Bingo. You're not talking about some GS-7 Secretary/Admin Assistant. You're taking the Sec of f'ing State receiving and sending info, at least some of it undoubtedly highly classified info, using a not very secure personal e-mail account, EXCLUSIVELY for 4 years as Sec State. Heck, Petraus just pled guilty to "unauthorized removal and retention of classified material." In addition The Federal Records Act requiremes that officials’ correspondence be retained as part of the agency’s record. Any other govt employee did this they would be hosed. But since it's Hillary she'll just plead ignorance, blame it on the vast right wing conspiracy, and get away with it..
So are you upset that Powell did the same thing?

And why are you so upset about her violating a law that was passed AFTER she left office?
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Hillary Clinton's Personal Email Use Differed from Other Top Officials
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BDKJMU wrote:
dbackjon wrote:
So are you upset that Powell did the same thing?

And why are you so upset about her violating a law that was passed AFTER she left office?
Fail.
Hillary Clinton's Personal Email Use Differed from Other Top Officials
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/electio ... ls-n316611" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
From your article:

As Clinton aides have noted, Colin Powell did regularly use a personal e-mail account while Secretary of State.

A Powell aide confirmed that information, saying, "General Powell used a personal email account during his tenure as Secretary of State. He was not aware of any restrictions nor does he recall being made aware of any over the four years he served at State."



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GannonFan wrote:
dbackjon wrote:
So are you upset that Powell did the same thing?

And why are you so upset about her violating a law that was passed AFTER she left office?
Technically speaking, the Presidential Records Act was passed in 1978, and at that time, included language such as "documentary materials … created by the President or his immediate staff.” In turn, the term documentary materials includes all books, correspondence, memorandums, documents, papers, pamphlets, works of art, models, pictures, photographs, plats, maps, films, and motion pictures, including, but not
limited to, audio, audiovisual, or other electronic or mechanical recordations."

The ammendments you are referring to, which ammended the PRA and were passed in 2014, did not substantially alter the general idea that electronic correspondence needed to be archived or archivable, just clarified where it was to be kept.

I really don't care greatly as I think this is a pretty trivial thing unless she was using something really weak in terms of security, but it would appear to be a violation of the PRA, technically speaking.
That is not what happened. Prior to 2014, there was no law against using personal email. Only that it be archived. Which it was.

There is no scandal. There is no impropriety. Just the typical right-wing media FAKE scandals.

1. Clinton was not the first Secretary to use a private email account. In fact, John Kerry is the first Secretary to use “a standard government email address,” according to The Washington Post.

2. Clinton turned over her emails to the State Department. It’s not clear whether her predecessors did the same.

3. The Times article says the “existence of Mrs. Clinton’s personal email account was discovered by a House committee investigating the attack on the American Consulate in Benghazi.” This is incorrect. Gawker reported this first, in March 2013.

4. At the time Clinton was Secretary, the Federal Records Act didn’t require federal employees to use government accounts, only to preserve records of their communications. This, Clinton seems to have done.
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