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Skjellyfetti wrote:Owning the libs!

68% believe Trump’s tweets were offensive
59% believe Trump’s tweets are “un-American”
65% believe what Trump said is racist, including a plurality of Republicans (45-34%)
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/pol ... 748737001/

Trump has the get out of jail free card around here - from on high

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BDKJMU wrote:
SDHornet wrote: Aaaaannndddd Trump just trolled the donks into filing articles of impeachment. Safe to say Trump is a grand master level troll.

:lol: :lol: :lol:
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https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/16/politics ... index.html
And the measure fails 332-95-1.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... SKCN1UC21E
So now the donks have some 'splainin' to do to their progtard wing as to why impeachment wasn't carried through. 8-)

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Dems have nothing to run on other than they tried to impeach.


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SDHornet wrote:
BDKJMU wrote: And the measure fails 332-95-1.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... SKCN1UC21E
So now the donks have some 'splainin' to do to their progtard wing as to why impeachment wasn't carried through. 8-)
Nancy is conducting a master class. She wants the traitor in prison as bad as anybody, but is letting the young firebrands throw grenades while she sits back all statespersonlike and waits for the rest of the chickens to come home from the child-fvcking parties that Epstein filmed.

This is more like what Putin must have on him. :nod:

I never believed that piss tapes were the goods, that's hardly out of the ordinary for a Republican politician. :coffee:
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houndawg wrote:
SDHornet wrote: So now the donks have some 'splainin' to do to their progtard wing as to why impeachment wasn't carried through. 8-)
Nancy is conducting a master class. She wants the traitor in prison as bad as anybody, but is letting the young firebrands throw grenades while she sits back all statespersonlike and waits for the rest of the chickens to come home from the child-fvcking parties that Epstein filmed.

This is more like what Putin must have on him. :nod:

I never believed that piss tapes were the goods, that's hardly out of the ordinary for a Republican politician. :coffee:

Have you been using qualudes?


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CID1990 wrote:
Skjellyfetti wrote:"Mixed market" means both private and government ownership of industry... I thought. :?

The government of Norway is the largest owner of the largest bank in Norway.

The government of Norway owns every hospital in Norway.

The government of Norway is the largest owner of the largest oil and gas company in Norway... and, the largest offshore oil company in the world.

The government of Norway is the largest owner of the largest coal mining company in Norway.

The government of Norway is the largest owner of the largest aluminum and renewable energy company in Norway.

etc.

Not sure how they wouldn't be considered a mixed economy... and, that we'd be considered more of one. :suspicious:
That certainly is a hallmark of state socialism, Reek -

But I’m not too sure the Norwegian government owning its most lucrative businesses is what klam means when he extols the “mixed economy” - part free market, part command economy.


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Is there private enterprise in Norway? Is there public enterprise in Norway?

I know there’s both here.

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kalm wrote:
CID1990 wrote:
That certainly is a hallmark of state socialism, Reek -

But I’m not too sure the Norwegian government owning its most lucrative businesses is what klam means when he extols the “mixed economy” - part free market, part command economy.


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I know there’s both here.

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I see

So what exactly do they do in Norway that you’d like to see done in the US? What specific “socialist” activity that they practice in Norway would transfer well to the US?




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mainejeff2 wrote:Trump has said that he would willingly accept help from foreign governments in order to get re-elected. Is that part of "MAGA"?
Didn’t really work for Hillary....but Trump IS better than her in just about every aspect, so who knows.
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CID1990 wrote:
kalm wrote:
Is there private enterprise in Norway? Is there public enterprise in Norway?

I know there’s both here.

Hope this helps. :thumb:
I see

So what exactly do they do in Norway that you’d like to see done in the US? What specific “socialist” activity that they practice in Norway would transfer well to the US?




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I’m not sure. We are not Norway. It would require truly in-depth research and I’d imagine every single one would be tough to pull the trigger on. But I’m not afraid to consider something just because “Che”.

It’s my conundrum of being open-minded but (as Ganny likes to point out) also nostalgic. :mrgreen:
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kalm wrote:
CID1990 wrote:
I see

So what exactly do they do in Norway that you’d like to see done in the US? What specific “socialist” activity that they practice in Norway would transfer well to the US?




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I’m not sure. We are not Norway. It would require truly in-depth research and I’d imagine every single one would be tough to pull the trigger on. But I’m not afraid to consider something just because “Che”.

It’s my conundrum of being open-minded but (as Ganny likes to point out) also nostalgic. :mrgreen:
You can’t name one thing off the top of your head?


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mainejeff2 wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:
Didn’t really work for Hillary....but Trump IS better than her in just about every aspect, so who knows.
So you are OK with candidates accepting help from foreign governments in order to get elected? You do know that is against the law....right? Or are you OK with our government officials breaking laws as well? How far will you go to keep a Republican in power? :ohno:
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CID1990 wrote:
kalm wrote:
I’m not sure. We are not Norway. It would require truly in-depth research and I’d imagine every single one would be tough to pull the trigger on. But I’m not afraid to consider something just because “Che”.

It’s my conundrum of being open-minded but (as Ganny likes to point out) also nostalgic. :mrgreen:
You can’t name one thing off the top of your head?


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kalm wrote:
CID1990 wrote:
You can’t name one thing off the top of your head?


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I could name several things off the top of my head. I just happen to like mesmerizing you with careful measured fence sitting.
Hm ok

As defensive as you are about those countries, I’d think you would have had something on deck


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CID1990 wrote:
kalm wrote:
I could name several things off the top of my head. I just happen to like mesmerizing you with careful measured fence sitting.
Hm ok

As defensive as you are about those countries, I’d think you would have had something on deck


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mainejeff2 wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:
Didn’t really work for Hillary....but Trump IS better than her in just about every aspect, so who knows.
So you are OK with candidates accepting help from foreign governments in order to get elected? You do know that is against the law....right? Or are you OK with our government officials breaking laws as well? How far will you go to keep a Republican in power? :ohno:
I’m not okay with it, a lot of Dems like Feinstein would be wearing Orange if it was enforced.


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css75 wrote:
mainejeff2 wrote:
So you are OK with candidates accepting help from foreign governments in order to get elected? You do know that is against the law....right? Or are you OK with our government officials breaking laws as well? How far will you go to keep a Republican in power? :ohno:
I’m not okay with it, a lot of Dems like Feinstein would be wearing Orange if it was enforced.


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Really? Feinstein has accepted aid from a foreign government to get elected?
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Ibanez wrote:
css75 wrote:
I’m not okay with it, a lot of Dems like Feinstein would be wearing Orange if it was enforced.


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Really? Feinstein has accepted aid from a foreign government to get elected?
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AZGrizFan wrote:Most “continuations” die out in a normal business cycle. To what, pray tell, do we attribute this particular one breaking so many long-standing records? And as Flaggy stated, in the face of Fed headwinds that Obama didn’t have to face?
Your outlook is based entirely on speculation. You have no data-based basis for your position. What is the "normal business cycle?"

What's going on now is different in many ways. But there is absolutely no evidence that Trump made a difference. Here is an article on the fact that we are now in the longest expansion:

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/07/02/this-is ... story.html

This expansion is unique in various ways. One way in which it is different is that growth is slow. And that hasn't changed with Trump. Here is a graph from the article comparing the current expansion to previous ones:

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We are in a "slow growth" recovery. People criticized Obama for that. But nothing has changed since Obama left office. Obama left office when the recovery was a 91 months. There is nothing about that graph that anything changed at that point. You can see examples of the slope of the graph changing. For instance you can see that the slope appears to have changed between 50 and 60 months into the recovery that started in 1991. And you can see that the slope appears to have changed between 40 and 50 months in to the one that began in 1961.

There's nothing like that with the expansion that began in 2009. No indication at all that anything changed in association with Trump taking office.

Here's another one:

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Again, nothing at all to indicate a change in the slope for the current recovery around the time that Trump took office.

It's just not there.

And the stuff about the Fed headwinds is nonsense. The Fed is always a factor. It's always "regulating" the situation.

The bottom line is that this whole thing about "Make America Great Again" is a crock. America was already great. Some on this board have said people aren't saying it was "bad" then Trump made it "good." But that IS what's being said with this "Make America Great Again" crap. And it's false. The idea that we were in bad shape and now we are in good shape after Trump is total nonsense.
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JohnStOnge wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:Most “continuations” die out in a normal business cycle. To what, pray tell, do we attribute this particular one breaking so many long-standing records? And as Flaggy stated, in the face of Fed headwinds that Obama didn’t have to face?
Your outlook is based entirely on speculation. You have no data-based basis for your position. What is the "normal business cycle?"
Gee, I don't know John. But I DO know one thing: There's never EVER EVER been a business cycle that lasted as long as THIS one! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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JohnStOnge wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:Most “continuations” die out in a normal business cycle. To what, pray tell, do we attribute this particular one breaking so many long-standing records? And as Flaggy stated, in the face of Fed headwinds that Obama didn’t have to face?
Your outlook is based entirely on speculation. You have no data-based basis for your position. What is the "normal business cycle?"

What's going on now is different in many ways. But there is absolutely no evidence that Trump made a difference. Here is an article on the fact that we are now in the longest expansion:

And the stuff about the Fed headwinds is nonsense. The Fed is always a factor. It's always "regulating" the situation.
Like I've said many times. Stick to environmental stats, bro. You suck at this.
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JohnStOnge wrote:
Your outlook is based entirely on speculation. You have no data-based basis for your position. What is the "normal business cycle?"

What's going on now is different in many ways. But there is absolutely no evidence that Trump made a difference. Here is an article on the fact that we are now in the longest expansion:

And the stuff about the Fed headwinds is nonsense. The Fed is always a factor. It's always "regulating" the situation.
Like I've said many times. Stick to environmental stats, bro. You suck at this.
Well then it ought to be easy for you to make some kind of argument other than some general statement about federal reserve headwinds and provide data or just say "you suck at this" without actually rebutting anything I wrote.

I've been meaning to write about the Fed interest rate thing, BTW. I looked up historical Fed changes to the Federal Funds rate and looked at how GDP did. Here are some examples:

In 1994 the Federal Funds rate started at 3.0%. The Fed raised it 6 times to 3.25% then 3.5% then 3.75% then 4.25% then 4.75% then 5.5% that year. GDP grew by 4% in 1994.

In 1999 the rate started at 4.75%. The Fed raised it 3 times to 5.0% then 5.25% then 5.5% that year. GDP grew by 4.8% in 1999.

Then the Fed continued to increase rates during 2000. Three times to 5.75% then 6.0% then 6.5% that year. GDP grew by 4.0% in 2000.

The Fed raised the rate 3 times in 2017 then 4 times in 2018. And the rate has never been higher than 2.5% during Trump's tenure. So, no, the pattern of the Fed raising rates while the economy continued to grow is not something that's never happened before. Trump has not faced unprecedented "headwinds." We had very strong economic growth during the 1990s...stronger than it's been during the current expansion...even though there were periods of repeated Fed rate increases against a background where interest rates were already notably higher than they are now.

And I just picked the 1990s as a period to look at because I knew it was a strong period. I'm sure if I looked through the rest of the history of the situation I could find other examples.
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John, it has zero to do with anything that happened in 1994. FFS.

You’ve been comparing Obama’s performance to Trumps. I’ve simply stated that they occurred in two different paradigms. Two DRASTICALLY different paradigms. The amazing part IS that there’s been no measurable change in trajectory despite the vastly different paradigms. And if I have to explain it further than that, then it’s beyond your comprehension.

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css75 wrote:Dems have nothing to run on other than they tried to impeach.


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They've got plenty to run on. First of all Trump is a dick and most people don't like him.

But they also have the edge in terms of public opinion on issues like health care, the balance between the economy and environmental protection, taxes, and education.

Health care is a particularly big one. I know the Republicans think they can turn the tide on that one by trying to scare people about "socialized medicine." It's possible that they can. But right now the Democrats have the edge. I think the article at https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/de ... alth-care/ is a good one. Here's one thought from it:
The complexity of Americans’ views on health care doesn’t change the fact that Democrats have a big advantage over Republicans on this issue, but it does mean that the individual candidates are in a tough spot because there’s no obvious unifying message they can adopt for the primary. And embracing a single-payer plan now could hand the GOP a weapon for the general election, allowing Republicans to frame the health care discussion around the Democrats’ controversial plan while glossing over Trump’s efforts to dismantle the ACA.
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92 straight months of job gains, the economy has had sustained positive growth for a while, and the fed is talking about cutting interest rates.
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