css75 wrote:Ok, I just went back and reviewed all hall of farmers. Ones I never heard of I did not rank. I started following in 1962, so I seen at least on tv all since then. I did not worry about managers, execs, etc., only players. The requirement of all time great started to slide in the 90s and more make my list the further we go.
Ashburn 1995, while very good he certainly was not elite. Having friends as a broadcaster probably helped him a lot.
Niekro and Sutton 1999. While very consistently good, neither were great in their era, but their longevity got them in.
Perez 2000, I still struggle on him. His totals weren’t great .279 and 379 hr, but he was pre-steroid era. Rice 2009 also falls into this area, though average .298 higher.
Mazeroski 2001. Him and Baines are the weakest. 1 big homer and good defense are not enough.
Molitor 2004 Very good not great.
Trammel 2011 same as Molitor
Larkin and Santo 2012 both fall into very good category, broadcasting helped Santo a lot
Piazza 2016 not a very good catcher, but a solid power hitter. Also, did he get some help after first 2 minor league seasons, which were not good.
Bagwell and Rodriguez 2017 steroids in play here?
Hoffman 2018 I just didn’t think he was all that good, blew lead in 2007 play in game.
One omission that I feel should’ve in: Maury Wills, he totally changed the game in early 60s, bringing speed back to it. Without him Henderson, Brock and others might never have had the impact they did.
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Trammell is 11th on the shortstop list, ahead of Jeter and Larkin. Honus Wagner, A-Roid and Ripken lead that position.