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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby Ibanez » Fri Nov 08, 2019 3:33 pm

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They don't seem to be so interested in attacking Sanders......I guess that old white men stick together no matter what their party affiliation. :roll:

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Did Jeff just say only old, white men are millionaires? I can't decide if that's more sexist or racist. :lol:

I hadn’t thought of that. Maybe he’s an equal opportunity bigot.


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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby Col Hogan » Fri Nov 08, 2019 5:46 pm

On deck for the Democrats...Michael Bloomberg...
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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby Col Hogan » Sun Nov 10, 2019 12:14 pm

New Hmpahire backers of Joe Biden worry about Michael Bloomberg getting into the Democratic race for the nomination...

Bloomberg's looming presidential candidacy is effectively a vote of no confidence in Biden's chances, amid slipping poll numbers and slack fundraising. Bloomberg, New York City mayor for 12 years starting in 2002, would reportedly spend "whatever it takes" to win the Democratic nomination and fall 2020 fight against President Trump. With an estimated net worth of $53 billion, Bloomberg expects that he can ignore the first four primary states and instead flood airwaves with advertisements in hopes of scoring a series of wins on Super Tuesday, March 3, when more than a dozen states and entities vote.


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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby Pwns » Sun Nov 10, 2019 1:46 pm

With a Mike Bloomberg candidacy being discussed, it's worth bringing this one back up and pointing out that it's about who wins the upper-left quadrant of these people....guys like Bloomberg are the exact opposite of them.

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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby Ivytalk » Tue Nov 12, 2019 2:26 pm

Hey, dback! Big day for you! Hildabeast told the BBC that she’s “under enormous pressure” to get into the race! And Mayor Pete is now ahead in Iowa! :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:
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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby GannonFan » Tue Nov 12, 2019 3:00 pm

Ivytalk wrote:Hey, dback! Big day for you! Hildabeast told the BBC that she’s “under enormous pressure” to get into the race! And Mayor Pete is now ahead in Iowa! :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:


Hey, if Mayor Pete can beat the Democratic Party machine and actually get the nomination he likely has my vote. Take that Jill Stein, darn Russian asset! :rofl:
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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby AZGrizFan » Tue Nov 12, 2019 9:42 pm

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Ivytalk wrote:Hey, dback! Big day for you! Hildabeast told the BBC that she’s “under enormous pressure” to get into the race! And Mayor Pete is now ahead in Iowa! :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:


Hey, if Mayor Pete can beat the Democratic Party machine and actually get the nomination he likely has my vote. Take that Jill Stein, darn Russian asset! :rofl:


I could stomach most of his political positions. He’s got two that really concern me, however;

* He supports abolition of the electoral college
* He supports expansion of the SC to up to 15 seats

Not sure if I consider those to be showstoppers, but they’re pretty big deals. I’d have to think about that a while....
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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby css75 » Tue Nov 12, 2019 10:20 pm

AZGrizFan wrote:
GannonFan wrote:
Hey, if Mayor Pete can beat the Democratic Party machine and actually get the nomination he likely has my vote. Take that Jill Stein, darn Russian asset! :rofl:


I could stomach most of his political positions. He’s got two that really concern me, however;

* He supports abolition of the electoral college
* He supports expansion of the SC to up to 15 seats

Not sure if I consider those to be showstoppers, but they’re pretty big deals. I’d have to think about that a while....



Lack of running something other than a college time is huge, as are the 2 points you mention.


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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby CID1990 » Tue Nov 12, 2019 10:39 pm

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Ivytalk wrote:Hey, dback! Big day for you! Hildabeast told the BBC that she’s “under enormous pressure” to get into the race! And Mayor Pete is now ahead in Iowa! :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:


Hey, if Mayor Pete can beat the Democratic Party machine and actually get the nomination he likely has my vote. Take that Jill Stein, darn Russian asset! :rofl:


I could vote for the guy if he were the nominee. Especially if it looks as though the Senate will remain red.


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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby CID1990 » Tue Nov 12, 2019 10:41 pm

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GannonFan wrote:
Hey, if Mayor Pete can beat the Democratic Party machine and actually get the nomination he likely has my vote. Take that Jill Stein, darn Russian asset! :rofl:


I could stomach most of his political positions. He’s got two that really concern me, however;

* He supports abolition of the electoral college
* He supports expansion of the SC to up to 15 seats

Not sure if I consider those to be showstoppers, but they’re pretty big deals. I’d have to think about that a while....


Support for something and actually making it happen are two different things.

Neither of those things will come to pass in our lifetimes.


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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby AZGrizFan » Tue Nov 12, 2019 10:53 pm

CID1990 wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:
I could stomach most of his political positions. He’s got two that really concern me, however;

* He supports abolition of the electoral college
* He supports expansion of the SC to up to 15 seats

Not sure if I consider those to be showstoppers, but they’re pretty big deals. I’d have to think about that a while....


Support for something and actually making it happen are two different things.

Neither of those things will come to pass in our lifetimes.


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Yes, I realize that. We’ve had this discussion before. And I stand by my assertion that there’s lots of things we have now that started out as “support” for something.
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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby UNI88 » Tue Nov 12, 2019 11:09 pm

css75 wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:
I could stomach most of his political positions. He’s got two that really concern me, however;

* He supports abolition of the electoral college
* He supports expansion of the SC to up to 15 seats

Not sure if I consider those to be showstoppers, but they’re pretty big deals. I’d have to think about that a while....


Lack of running something other than a college time is huge, as are the 2 points you mention.

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It takes more leadership & administrative chops to run a college town than it does to run a Congressional staff so that actually puts him ahead of most of the other Donk candidates.

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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby CID1990 » Wed Nov 13, 2019 1:28 am

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Support for something and actually making it happen are two different things.

Neither of those things will come to pass in our lifetimes.


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Yes, I realize that. We’ve had this discussion before. And I stand by my assertion that there’s lots of things we have now that started out as “support” for something.


Yeah, and they've been easy sells

like mary jane

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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby houndawg » Wed Nov 13, 2019 5:36 am

Col Hogan wrote:New Hmpahire backers of Joe Biden worry about Michael Bloomberg getting into the Democratic race for the nomination...

Bloomberg's looming presidential candidacy is effectively a vote of no confidence in Biden's chances, amid slipping poll numbers and slack fundraising. Bloomberg, New York City mayor for 12 years starting in 2002, would reportedly spend "whatever it takes" to win the Democratic nomination and fall 2020 fight against President Trump. With an estimated net worth of $53 billion, Bloomberg expects that he can ignore the first four primary states and instead flood airwaves with advertisements in hopes of scoring a series of wins on Super Tuesday, March 3, when more than a dozen states and entities vote.


https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news ... -candidacy


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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby Ibanez » Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:19 am

AZGrizFan wrote:
GannonFan wrote:
Hey, if Mayor Pete can beat the Democratic Party machine and actually get the nomination he likely has my vote. Take that Jill Stein, darn Russian asset! :rofl:


I could stomach most of his political positions. He’s got two that really concern me, however;

* He supports abolition of the electoral college
* He supports expansion of the SC to up to 15 seats

Not sure if I consider those to be showstoppers, but they’re pretty big deals. I’d have to think about that a while....

Big ideas for sure. And candidates should have big ideas.

But I don’t see any of those happening. If they do, it’ll be around the time 2A is repealed and the “3rd” American Revolution begins.


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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby Ibanez » Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:21 am

css75 wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:
I could stomach most of his political positions. He’s got two that really concern me, however;

* He supports abolition of the electoral college
* He supports expansion of the SC to up to 15 seats

Not sure if I consider those to be showstoppers, but they’re pretty big deals. I’d have to think about that a while....



Lack of running something other than a college time is huge, as are the 2 points you mention.


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So you have a problem with a guy that’s only run city but you’re ok with a guy that’s run multiple businesses into bankruptcy and has never run a government?


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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby HI54UNI » Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:25 am

Mayor Pete is the latest fad. The Donks won't nominate a white guy unless it is Pedo Joe. Plus they need African American support and AAs in general are not going to vote for a gay man. :twocents:
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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby Ibanez » Wed Nov 13, 2019 7:52 am

HI54UNI wrote:Mayor Pete is the latest fad. The Donks won't nominate a white guy unless it is Pedo Joe. Plus they need African American support and AAs in general are not going to vote for a gay man. :twocents:

There's a lot of truth in this.


Then again, evangelicals voted for a man that cheats on his wives and cheats business owners so...stranger things have happened.
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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby AZGrizFan » Wed Nov 13, 2019 9:22 am

Ibanez wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:
I could stomach most of his political positions. He’s got two that really concern me, however;

* He supports abolition of the electoral college
* He supports expansion of the SC to up to 15 seats

Not sure if I consider those to be showstoppers, but they’re pretty big deals. I’d have to think about that a while....

Big ideas for sure. And candidates should have big ideas.

But I don’t see any of those happening. If they do, it’ll be around the time 2A is repealed and the “3rd” American Revolution begins.


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Well, if you're stipulating that we've started down that slippery slope and it's inevitable, then what the fuck, I guess I can vote for him and just accelerate the process... :lol: :lol:
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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby Ibanez » Wed Nov 13, 2019 9:23 am

AZGrizFan wrote:
Ibanez wrote:Big ideas for sure. And candidates should have big ideas.

But I don’t see any of those happening. If they do, it’ll be around the time 2A is repealed and the “3rd” American Revolution begins.


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Well, if you're stipulating that we've started down that slippery slope and it's inevitable, then what the fuck, I guess I can vote for him and just accelerate the process... :lol: :lol:

I have stipulated no such thing. "Around the time 2A is repealed" can be read as " when pigs fly."
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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby GannonFan » Wed Nov 13, 2019 9:29 am

AZGrizFan wrote:
GannonFan wrote:
Hey, if Mayor Pete can beat the Democratic Party machine and actually get the nomination he likely has my vote. Take that Jill Stein, darn Russian asset! :rofl:


I could stomach most of his political positions. He’s got two that really concern me, however;

* He supports abolition of the electoral college
* He supports expansion of the SC to up to 15 seats

Not sure if I consider those to be showstoppers, but they’re pretty big deals. I’d have to think about that a while....


I agree, if I felt those were real positions he'd pursue then I wouldn't vote for him either. But he's been showing real pragmatism by walking back both those positions in the past few months. He's seeing the weakness in Biden as the "less whacky" candidate and is already moving to fill that void. That's the same reason why Bloomberg is suddenly in the game, but I think he's too late to stop Mayor Pete from seizing that mantle. The Dems will never allow Sanders to get the nomination - they rigged it that way in 2016 and they'll do it again in 2020 - and Warren is just too far gone to be a legitimate nominee. Mayor Pete is probably helped a bit from the fact that the Senate is likely to stay red after 2020 - to get anything done you'll have to be less of a radical, and he's that compared to Warren.
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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby AZGrizFan » Wed Nov 13, 2019 9:35 am

I saw a presidential ad for a guy yesterday I've NEVER heard of.

Tom Steyer? Who the fuck?
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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby Ivytalk » Wed Nov 13, 2019 9:55 am

AZGrizFan wrote:I saw a presidential ad for a guy yesterday I've NEVER heard of.

Tom Steyer? Who the fuck?


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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby Ibanez » Wed Nov 13, 2019 10:09 am

AZGrizFan wrote:I saw a presidential ad for a guy yesterday I've NEVER heard of.

Tom Steyer? Who the fuck?

His ads have been plastered all over the Carolina's for months.
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Re: 2020 Democratic Nomination Process Mega-thread

Postby AZGrizFan » Wed Nov 13, 2019 10:11 am

Ivytalk wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:I saw a presidential ad for a guy yesterday I've NEVER heard of.

Tom Steyer? Who the fuck?


Billionaire white dude.

:lol: :lol: :lol:
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