Christie on Addiction/Treatment

[CAA Flagship]

This video is getting a lot of attention lately. Thoughts?

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdYMx7sycW4[/youtube]

[andy7171]

I completely agree with him. But I may be too close to the situation.

[CAA Flagship]

The devil is in the details of the plan.
There is a lot of talk about freeing prisoners of non-violent crimes early.
I can see this for drug "users". Let them go if they go through a treatment program.
I can't see it for sellers/distributors.
But then there are the users that are not (yet) imprisoned. This, I assume, is a much larger subset.

So the question is, how is this going to be paid for?
Certainly, if a savings from future treatment and/or incarceration due to rehabilitation can be realized, that would help with the expense. But it requires a lot of "up front" investment in order to financially benefit in the future.
This issue has a lot of moving parts.

[andy7171]

If you want to make quick money and a never ending supply of clients. Invest in rehabs. Obamacare will make you a rich puppy.

[BDKJMU]

The devil is in the details of the plan.
There is a lot of talk about freeing prisoners of non-violent crimes early.
[bI can see this for drug "users". Let them go if they go through a treatment program.
I can't see it for sellers/distributors.[/b]
But then there are the users that are not (yet) imprisoned. This, I assume, is a much larger subset.

So the question is, how is this going to be paid for?
Certainly, if a savings from future treatment and/or incarceration due to rehabilitation can be realized, that would help with the expense. But it requires a lot of "up front" investment in order to financially benefit in the future.
This issue has a lot of moving parts.

Most in prison are sellers, not just users...

[CAA Flagship]

The devil is in the details of the plan.
There is a lot of talk about freeing prisoners of non-violent crimes early.
[bI can see this for drug "users". Let them go if they go through a treatment program.
I can't see it for sellers/distributors.[/b]
But then there are the users that are not (yet) imprisoned. This, I assume, is a much larger subset.

So the question is, how is this going to be paid for?
Certainly, if a savings from future treatment and/or incarceration due to rehabilitation can be realized, that would help with the expense. But it requires a lot of "up front" investment in order to financially benefit in the future.
This issue has a lot of moving parts.

Most in prison are sellers, not just users...

That may be true. But we are talking treatment here. Sellers don't need treatment. They need to be kneecapped.

[kalm]

The devil is in the details of the plan.
There is a lot of talk about freeing prisoners of non-violent crimes early.
[bI can see this for drug "users". Let them go if they go through a treatment program.
I can't see it for sellers/distributors.[/b]
But then there are the users that are not (yet) imprisoned. This, I assume, is a much larger subset.

So the question is, how is this going to be paid for?
Certainly, if a savings from future treatment and/or incarceration due to rehabilitation can be realized, that would help with the expense. But it requires a lot of "up front" investment in order to financially benefit in the future.
This issue has a lot of moving parts.

Most in prison are sellers, not just users...

Sure. But what percentage are violent?

You can go to prison for things like having weed in more than one container (intent to distribute) and selling to a friend for cost (no profit).

If you think it's just degenerates who do the selling you are woefully ignorant.

[BDKJMU]

Most in prison are sellers, not just users...

Sure. But what percentage are violent?

You can go to prison for things like having weed in more than one container (intent to distribute) and selling to a friend for cost (no profit).

If you think it's just degenerates who do the selling you are woefully ignorant.

Never said that And "can" & "do" are 2 different things. I How many people do you think are in prison (not jail) for selling to a friend for cost/no profit or having a small amount in 2 containers?

[Chizzang]

Sure. But what percentage are violent?

You can go to prison for things like having weed in more than one container (intent to distribute) and selling to a friend for cost (no profit).

If you think it's just degenerates who do the selling you are woefully ignorant.

Never said that And "can" & "do" are 2 different things. I How many people do you think are in prison (not jail) for selling to a friend for cost/no profit or having a small amount in 2 containers?

Actually you might be surprised at how many...

[kalm]

Sure. But what percentage are violent?

You can go to prison for things like having weed in more than one container (intent to distribute) and selling to a friend for cost (no profit).

If you think it's just degenerates who do the selling you are woefully ignorant.

Never said that And "can" & "do" are 2 different things. I How many people do you think are in prison (not jail) for selling to a friend for cost/no profit or having a small amount in 2 containers?

I didn't say you said that.

Answer my question regarding how many are violent first.

[JohnStOnge]

Most impressive oratory I've heard from a political candidate not only this year but for many years. Don't know if I've ever heard a better one. Almost makes me want to reconsider the "no way I'd vote for that guy" stance that I adopted after he sucked up to Obama after Hurricane Sandy and on the eve of Presidential election.

I also think that if he did get the nomination he'd wipe the floor with Hillary.

[houndawg]

Most impressive oratory I've heard from a political candidate not only this year but for many years. Don't know if I've ever heard a better one. Almost makes me want to reconsider the "no way I'd vote for that guy" stance that I adopted after he sucked up to Obama after Hurricane Sandy and on the eve of Presidential election.

I also think that if he did get the nomination he'd wipe the floor with Hillary.

You're out of touch.

[Gil Dobie]

Would the cost of treatment be more than putting these people away for 10-15 years? Make the fine, the cost of the treatment. There is also free treatment out there in the anonymous groups, and some courts send people there. Like a few have said before me, many of the "dealer" convictions are people that are not major dealers, but maybe trying to make a few bucks or get by with free product.