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89Hen wrote:
Ivytalk wrote:
I saw the segment on 60 Minutes about Colorado's experience. The pediatricians and cops they interviewed told me all I need to know about whether marijuana is a gateway drug (yes) and whether it has harmful side effects on pregnant mothers and newborns (yes). If they legalize that stuff, there should be the same disclosure requirements they have for tobacco. :twocents:
Hogwash Ivy. It's completely safe, has no extra baggage, harms nobody, and in fact is a cure all for just about every ailment known.
Wait...so they're saying pediatricians think weed is a bad idea for pregnant women and newborns? And the cops are against it too???

GTFO!!!


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I have to admit that the medicinal claims seem over the top and do make it sound like hippie cure all but there are some legit positive affects that really help certain conditions.
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kalm wrote:
89Hen wrote: Hogwash Ivy. It's completely safe, has no extra baggage, harms nobody, and in fact is a cure all for just about every ailment known.
Wait...so they're saying pediatricians think weed is a bad idea for pregnant women and newborns? And the cops are against it too???

GTFO!!!


:rofl:

I have to admit that the medicinal claims seem over the top and do make it sound like hippie cure all but there are some legit positive affects that really help certain conditions.
Fine. I don't think we disagree here. I just say that, if you're going to legalize/decriminalize, make sure the truth about Mary Jane is fully disclosed. Then recreational potheads can assume the risk, as we lawyers say, and spare the taxpayers some legal and social costs. :twocents:
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Ivytalk wrote:
kalm wrote:
Wait...so they're saying pediatricians think weed is a bad idea for pregnant women and newborns? And the cops are against it too???

GTFO!!!


:rofl:

I have to admit that the medicinal claims seem over the top and do make it sound like hippie cure all but there are some legit positive affects that really help certain conditions.
Fine. I don't think we disagree here. I just say that, if you're going to legalize/decriminalize, make sure the truth about Mary Jane is fully disclosed. Then recreational potheads can assume the risk, as we lawyers say, and spare the taxpayers some legal and social costs. :twocents:
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kalm wrote:
89Hen wrote: :lol: What past positions? That I don't really care about pot but that I do think there will be a lot more bad issues with it once it's legal? That I don't think it's a harmless drug?
You care about it enough to go back to your straw man from the old weed legalization thread about it being harmless. :lol:

But here's your chance...answer my questions, and then for extra credit explain about all the "bad issues" that have arisen since it's now legal in certain states and we'd be better off as a society if it were still illegal.

:popcorn:
You keep changing your questions, I guess you saw your major error, but at least you're closer to staying on the subject.
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89Hen wrote:
kalm wrote:
You care about it enough to go back to your straw man from the old weed legalization thread about it being harmless. :lol:

But here's your chance...answer my questions, and then for extra credit explain about all the "bad issues" that have arisen since it's now legal in certain states and we'd be better off as a society if it were still illegal.

:popcorn:
You keep changing your questions, I guess you saw your major error, but at least you're closer to staying on the subject.
Um no. Same two questions and I added a 3rd for extra credit based on YOUR most recent comment.

Nice stall.... :coffee:
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89. Right up there with JSO for being unable to be wrong. :lol:
Of course pregnant women shouldnt do it. Same as any other drug, legal or otherwise.
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kalm wrote:
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You can (figuratively) blow them the hell up right now for all I care. :tothehand:
And kudos to you for being consistent and starting this thread. Sorry to stereotype. :thumb:

I just find it funny that so many "anti-government" conservatives will fully believe everything the government says when it comes to things like this or how Snowden is a traitor....
The DEA should be abolished, and Snowden is a traitor. He also exposed some pretty insidious conduct by the government and for that I'd be cool with knocking 6.93 months off his sentence.
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CID1990 wrote:
kalm wrote:
And kudos to you for being consistent and starting this thread. Sorry to stereotype. :thumb:

I just find it funny that so many "anti-government" conservatives will fully believe everything the government says when it comes to things like this or how Snowden is a traitor....
The DEA should be abolished, and Snowden is a traitor. He also exposed some pretty insidious conduct by the government and for that I'd be cool with knocking 6.93 months off his sentence.
Like I said regarding Snowden. Trust us....
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Marijuana... still too scary for adults to manage on their own
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The DEA should be abolished, and Snowden is a traitor. He also exposed some pretty insidious conduct by the government and for that I'd be cool with knocking 6.93 months off his sentence.
Like I said regarding Snowden. Trust us....
And like I've always said... you're entitled to your opinion.

BTW the actual AMOUNT of data he took is unclassified, klam. Do you believe it is reasonable to think that there are thousands of gigabytes solely outlining the fact that the NSA was collecting metadata on USCs? Your standard of evidence is very black and white but it requires a Spandos-like suspension of reason to function.
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CID1990 wrote:
kalm wrote:
Like I said regarding Snowden. Trust us....
And like I've always said... you're entitled to your opinion.

BTW the actual AMOUNT of data he took is unclassified, klam. Do you believe it is reasonable to think that there are thousands of gigabytes solely outlining the fact that the NSA was collecting metadata on USCs? Your standard of evidence is very black and white but it requires a Spandos-like suspension of reason to function.
No. I'm not ready to convict just because the government says so...without all the evidence.
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Vidav wrote:89. Right up there with JSO for being unable to be wrong. :lol:
Of course pregnant women shouldnt do it. Same as any other drug, legal or otherwise.
Wrong on what Vidav?? I implore you to go back and read my first post on this thread that GATW quoted and went off on a crazy tangent. You guys all belong in Salem in the 1690's. :ohno:
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kalm wrote:
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And like I've always said... you're entitled to your opinion.

BTW the actual AMOUNT of data he took is unclassified, klam. Do you believe it is reasonable to think that there are thousands of gigabytes solely outlining the fact that the NSA was collecting metadata on USCs? Your standard of evidence is very black and white but it requires a Spandos-like suspension of reason to function.
No. I'm not ready to convict just because the government says so...without all the evidence.
Well when he comes home you'll get his day in court. Until then you can continue to channel your inner Spanny.
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kalm wrote:
89Hen wrote: You keep changing your questions, I guess you saw your major error, but at least you're closer to staying on the subject.
Um no. Same two questions and I added a 3rd for extra credit based on YOUR most recent comment.

Nice stall.... :coffee:
The extra credit one is the only one that pertains to anything I've posted. As I've said over and over and over... I don't think pot is horrible, but there are plenty of folks here and around the country that do think it's the cure all for taxes, health, etc.. and think there are no side effect to legalization. It's only been a little while for Colorado and other states so there's not enough data yet on the real effects, but some are poking up already.


http://kdvr.com/2016/05/24/prosecutors- ... marijuana/
DENVER -- Some prosecutors in Colorado say they're noticing a new trend: An increase in murders motivated by marijuana.
http://fortune.com/pot-marijuana-colorado/
Doctors report a spike in pot-related emergency room visits—mostly due to people accidentally consuming too much of potent edible pot products. Police face new cartel-related drug operations. Parents worry about marijuana being sold near their homes and schools. And less affluent communities like Pueblo struggle with the unintended consequences of becoming home to this emerging and controversial industry.
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89Hen wrote:
kalm wrote:
Um no. Same two questions and I added a 3rd for extra credit based on YOUR most recent comment.

Nice stall.... :coffee:
The extra credit one is the only one that pertains to anything I've posted. As I've said over and over and over... I don't think pot is horrible, but there are plenty of folks here and around the country that do think it's the cure all for taxes, health, etc.. and think there are no side effect to legalization. It's only been a little while for Colorado and other states so there's not enough data yet on the real effects, but some are poking up already.


http://kdvr.com/2016/05/24/prosecutors- ... marijuana/
DENVER -- Some prosecutors in Colorado say they're noticing a new trend: An increase in murders motivated by marijuana.
http://fortune.com/pot-marijuana-colorado/
Doctors report a spike in pot-related emergency room visits—mostly due to people accidentally consuming too much of potent edible pot products. Police face new cartel-related drug operations. Parents worry about marijuana being sold near their homes and schools. And less affluent communities like Pueblo struggle with the unintended consequences of becoming home to this emerging and controversial industry.
Marijuana isn't a fix all or a problems solver... It's a drug and also an agricultural crop product like tobacco
It contains no more fixes than Alcohol or Tobacco

However:
It has LONG SINCE been clouded by misinformation and lies
FACT: Marijuana prohibition hasn't been any more effective than Alcohol prohibition

Legally and politically
It needs to be managed by adults and handled by adults

As long as we've got intellectual midgets and prohibition reformists in congress
We'll get what we deserve

It's kinda like Bible Study for adults
its less than half the information necessary to make an informed decision


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Ivytalk wrote:
kalm wrote:
Wait...so they're saying pediatricians think weed is a bad idea for pregnant women and newborns? And the cops are against it too???

GTFO!!!


:rofl:

I have to admit that the medicinal claims seem over the top and do make it sound like hippie cure all but there are some legit positive affects that really help certain conditions.
Fine. I don't think we disagree here. I just say that, if you're going to legalize/decriminalize, make sure the truth about Mary Jane is fully disclosed. Then recreational potheads can assume the risk, as we lawyers say, and spare the taxpayers some legal and social costs. :twocents:
I'm all for that. :thumb: :thumb:
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89Hen wrote:
kalm wrote:
Um no. Same two questions and I added a 3rd for extra credit based on YOUR most recent comment.

Nice stall.... :coffee:
The extra credit one is the only one that pertains to anything I've posted. As I've said over and over and over... I don't think pot is horrible, but there are plenty of folks here and around the country that do think it's the cure all for taxes, health, etc.. and think there are no side effect to legalization. It's only been a little while for Colorado and other states so there's not enough data yet on the real effects, but some are poking up already.


http://kdvr.com/2016/05/24/prosecutors- ... marijuana/
DENVER -- Some prosecutors in Colorado say they're noticing a new trend: An increase in murders motivated by marijuana.
http://fortune.com/pot-marijuana-colorado/
Doctors report a spike in pot-related emergency room visits—mostly due to people accidentally consuming too much of potent edible pot products. Police face new cartel-related drug operations. Parents worry about marijuana being sold near their homes and schools. And less affluent communities like Pueblo struggle with the unintended consequences of becoming home to this emerging and controversial industry.
The first question I asked you was literally what the OP was about...classifying non-narcotic weed extract products like lip balm and skin lotion as level 1 narcotics...the same as cocaine and heroin. The 2nd question applied to your own enjoyment of fine crafted ales. You know where I was going with that so rather than answer the question and look like a hypocrite, you hide behind Refer Madness tactics.

No one here thinks it's a cure all. No one here thinkgs there are no side effects to legalization. We already spent something like 5 pages in the old thread convincing you that it isn't harmless either....after you took a couple of us too literally. :lol:

As for the problems you listed...of course increases in pot related everything are going to go up. There are more people using it. The availability and novelty of edibles for first time users drives much of the ER visits. Edibles are metabolized by the liver and provide a stronger high. Newbs simply eat too much and get massively paranoid. See Maureen Dowd's experience from last year when she visited Colorado and ate a big brownie. :rofl:

But these should go down as well. Stores literally post the amount of THC and the properties of each brand and the friendly cashiers are more than happy to provide advice on how much to consume and which varieties are good for going on a hike or cleaning the garage versus sitting in the dark and listening to Dark Side of the Moon. (I always hated the deep, heavy, body highs caused by indicas and eventually quite because of them. I didn't know nor was privvy to other varieties that were the more energetic laugh your ass off highs. Thanks to legalization you can now choose one that makes movies funnier or one that helps you sleep).

As for the murders..."some prosecuters are noticing"...sounds scientific to me! :lol: What about overall murder? Or murders associated with dealing?

Or a comparison to alcohol related murders and ER visits?

Increased tax revenue and jobs and less time and dollars wasted on interdiction and incarceration equals a massive win for the smart states...as long society doesn't fall apart at the seems.... :lol:
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I, for one, can't wait for SC or NC to legalize weed. Cannabis oil, while not cure-all, greatly reduces problems associated with Crohns disease and anxiety. And seizures...don't get me started on seizures.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/arti ... -seizures/
Charlotte Figi, an eight-year-old girl from Colorado with Dravet syndrome, a rare and debilitating form of epilepsy, came into the public eye in 2013 when news broke that medical marijuana was able to do what other drugs could not: dramatically reduce her seizures. Now, new scientific research provides evidence that cannabis may be an effective treatment for a third of epilepsy patients who, like Charlotte, have a treatment-resistant form of the disease.

Besides, marijuana comes from the Earth. God gave it to us. :thumb:
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kalm wrote:No one here thinks it's a cure all. No one here thinkgs there are no side effects to legalization. We already spent something like 5 pages in the old thread convincing you that it isn't harmless either....after you took a couple of us too literally. :lol:
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Chizzang wrote:We are all in agreement then that the "Problem" of Marijuana is an illusion
created by those who wish to control others
kalm, here's one right in this thread.
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89Hen wrote:
Chizzang wrote:We are all in agreement then that the "Problem" of Marijuana is an illusion
created by those who wish to control others
kalm, here's one right in this thread.
Oh boy...here we go again.... :lol:

Hint: "Problem" in quotes...

And is the argument pertains to legality...
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