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kalm wrote: Wed Apr 27, 2022 8:10 am This is a great read on the complexities of RUS-UKR history and recent relations and struggles. It’s written from an anarchist’s point of view.
War transforms everything – we are suddenly for or against armies, revolutionaries become soldiers, coalitions monopolize politics, patriotic fervor swells, and the party of order triumphs. When the Russian army invaded Ukraine last week, Putin claimed it was in the name of “denazification,” evoking the important role “anti-fascism” plays in the ideology of the Russian state. In the following text, published in Liaisons’ first book In the Name of the People, a friend from the region offers an account of revolutionaries involved in the 2014 Maidan uprising in Ukraine, along with considerations about the particular history of Russian “anti-fascism.”
https://voidnetwork.gr/2022/03/08/a-ver ... CAn8qAU6tE
And heck, we thought we had problems here with both sides trying their best to label the other side as Nazi's or fascists. We're new at this compared to the morass that is Russia. :ohno:
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Re: The Ukraine Crisis

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GannonFan wrote: Wed Apr 27, 2022 9:12 am
kalm wrote: Wed Apr 27, 2022 8:10 am This is a great read on the complexities of RUS-UKR history and recent relations and struggles. It’s written from an anarchist’s point of view.


https://voidnetwork.gr/2022/03/08/a-ver ... CAn8qAU6tE
And heck, we thought we had problems here with both sides trying their best to label the other side as Nazi's or fascists. We're new at this compared to the morass that is Russia. :ohno:
Exactly one of my thoughts as well.

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GannonFan wrote: Wed Apr 27, 2022 9:12 am
kalm wrote: Wed Apr 27, 2022 8:10 am This is a great read on the complexities of RUS-UKR history and recent relations and struggles. It’s written from an anarchist’s point of view.

https://voidnetwork.gr/2022/03/08/a-ver ... CAn8qAU6tE
And heck, we thought we had problems here with both sides trying their best to label the other side as Nazi's or fascists. We're new at this compared to the morass that is Russia. :ohno:
I did find this interesting and applicable as an Oregonian ...
The more this movement focused on the practical aspects of attacking the Right, the less it could propose any kind of significant theoretical framework to analyze fascism. What is worse is that its members often just ended up naming “fascist” anything they didn’t like.
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Ibanez wrote: Mon Apr 25, 2022 5:18 am
SDHornet wrote: Fri Apr 22, 2022 8:54 pm

Trained? Sure. Capable? :lol:
You personally know him?
He's a public figure.
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kalm wrote: Mon Apr 25, 2022 9:01 am

I read that the Bryansk is within Ukrainian missile range. Not sure about the others listed.
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Skjellyfetti wrote: Tue Apr 26, 2022 5:32 am Lol.

Paging SD and Seattle

Is this the Russian Q-annon version? :lol:
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UNI88 wrote: Tue Apr 26, 2022 3:03 pm
SeattleGriz wrote: Tue Apr 26, 2022 2:39 pm

Good question. I'm not sure as I've been trying to read up on the history. It's got a long history and I'm just not getting it into my head.

On the surface, it shouldn't be any different, but that's why I'm trying to read up.

Apparently they are under Russia's protection, but more importantly, they supposedly have a huge weapons cache Ukraine would like to get their hands on. The US/UK stuff is not making it very far as Ukraine supply lines are cut off.
Transnistria has Russian troops. I would argue that Moldova and its people are much more closely aligned with Romania. Given a choice between a Russia and Romania, they would choose Romania.
Read a little on Transnistria this week, so naturally I'm an expert now. ;)

When the USSR collapsed, a group of its army stationed in what is now called Transnistria didn't want to leave/quit and basically went LeRoy Jenkins. And just like that a "country" was born. :lol:

Regarding the current war, not sure if Ukraine would have the forces to spare to mount an invasion to overtake the forces in Transnistria.
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Re: The Ukraine Crisis

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kalm wrote: Wed Apr 27, 2022 10:02 am
GannonFan wrote: Wed Apr 27, 2022 9:12 am

And heck, we thought we had problems here with both sides trying their best to label the other side as Nazi's or fascists. We're new at this compared to the morass that is Russia. :ohno:
Exactly one of my thoughts as well.

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Agreed. Even more of a reason to keep our troops out of this mess...

...but is also begs the question of who the fuck are our three letter agencies supporting over there. :?
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SDHornet wrote: Wed Apr 27, 2022 9:29 pm
kalm wrote: Wed Apr 27, 2022 10:02 am

Exactly one of my thoughts as well.

:nod:
Agreed. Even more of a reason to keep our troops out of this mess...

...but is also begs the question of who the fuck are our three letter agencies supporting over there. :?
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Russia has demonstrated throughout its history that human life is merely cannon fodder in its eyes. Short of Putin being deposed in some form, Russian artillery will continue to dance on Ukranian heads for a long time.

The best thing we could do right now is beef up their counter-battery equipment and training.
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SDHornet wrote: Wed Apr 27, 2022 9:24 pm
UNI88 wrote: Tue Apr 26, 2022 3:03 pm

Transnistria has Russian troops. I would argue that Moldova and its people are much more closely aligned with Romania. Given a choice between a Russia and Romania, they would choose Romania.
Read a little on Transnistria this week, so naturally I'm an expert now. ;)

When the USSR collapsed, a group of its army stationed in what is now called Transnistria didn't want to leave/quit and basically went LeRoy Jenkins. And just like that a "country" was born. :lol:

Regarding the current war, not sure if Ukraine would have the forces to spare to mount an invasion to overtake the forces in Transnistria.
Considering that that area is really part of Moldova anyway, I don't really see Ukraine attempting an invasion of Moldova. Considering the state of the Russian military and how they've performed to date, I don't really think a small detachment of Russian troops in an isolated part of Moldova is really a huge concern for anyone at this time. Although I'm not Moldovan so I don't know how they feel about it.
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93henfan wrote: Thu Apr 28, 2022 7:23 am Russia has demonstrated throughout its history that human life is merely cannon fodder in its eyes. Short of Putin being deposed in some form, Russian artillery will continue to dance on Ukranian heads for a long time.

The best thing we could do right now is beef up their counter-battery equipment and training.
Indeed, whether it be their own people or their opponents. Maybe they're just trying to deplete their inventory of weapons and materials to lower their maintenance costs? Figure they've lost at least 500 battle tanks to date, along with the crews (3 guys per tank), so that's less maintenance and salaries. Putin may even think this way.
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SDHornet wrote: Wed Apr 27, 2022 9:24 pm
Read a little on Transnistria this week, so naturally I'm an expert now. ;)
Oh FFS. So there are people that are changing their nistrias now?
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CAA Flagship wrote: Thu Apr 28, 2022 8:15 am
SDHornet wrote: Wed Apr 27, 2022 9:24 pm
Read a little on Transnistria this week, so naturally I'm an expert now. ;)
Oh FFS. So there are people that are changing their nistrias now?
It’s like switching from Edison to sylvania.
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GannonFan wrote: Thu Apr 28, 2022 7:25 am
SDHornet wrote: Wed Apr 27, 2022 9:24 pm
Read a little on Transnistria this week, so naturally I'm an expert now. ;)

When the USSR collapsed, a group of its army stationed in what is now called Transnistria didn't want to leave/quit and basically went LeRoy Jenkins. And just like that a "country" was born. :lol:

Regarding the current war, not sure if Ukraine would have the forces to spare to mount an invasion to overtake the forces in Transnistria.
Considering that that area is really part of Moldova anyway, I don't really see Ukraine attempting an invasion of Moldova. Considering the state of the Russian military and how they've performed to date, I don't really think a small detachment of Russian troops in an isolated part of Moldova is really a huge concern for anyone at this time. Although I'm not Moldovan so I don't know how they feel about it.
I agree that it's unlikely that Ukraine is looking at Transnistria. Moldova would like to have it back but as I understand Transnistria is the industrial part of the country, has a larger populace and is better armed. The only way that Transnistria falls is with Romanian help. As our Transnistrian expert, SD can you confirm? ;)

Moldova might even be worried about Transnistria taking over the rest of the country and Romania is mobilizing to defending Moldova. Damn Russians are the likely aggressors again.
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GannonFan wrote: Thu Apr 28, 2022 7:25 am Considering that that area is really part of Moldova anyway, I don't really see Ukraine attempting an invasion of Moldova. Considering the state of the Russian military and how they've performed to date, I don't really think a small detachment of Russian troops in an isolated part of Moldova is really a huge concern for anyone at this time. Although I'm not Moldovan so I don't know how they feel about it.
I agree that it's unlikely that Ukraine is looking at Transnistria. Moldova would like to have it back but as I understand Transnistria is the industrial part of the country, has a larger populace and is better armed. The only way that Transnistria falls is with Romanian help. As our Transnistrian expert, SD can you confirm? ;)

Moldova might even be worried about Transnistria taking over the rest of the country and Romania is mobilizing to defending Moldova. Damn Russians are the likely aggressors again.
#FAKENEWS….. Moldova has 5x the population of Transnistria and about 12X GDP.


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cx500d wrote:
UNI88 wrote: I agree that it's unlikely that Ukraine is looking at Transnistria. Moldova would like to have it back but as I understand Transnistria is the industrial part of the country, has a larger populace and is better armed. The only way that Transnistria falls is with Romanian help. As our Transnistrian expert, SD can you confirm? ;)

Moldova might even be worried about Transnistria taking over the rest of the country and Romania is mobilizing to defending Moldova. Damn Russians are the likely aggressors again.
#FAKENEWS….. Moldova has 5x the population of Transnistria and about 12X GDP.


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UNI88 wrote: Thu Apr 28, 2022 9:39 pm
cx500d wrote: #FAKENEWS….. Moldova has 5x the population of Transnistria and about 12X GDP.


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GannonFan wrote: Thu Apr 28, 2022 7:25 am
SDHornet wrote: Wed Apr 27, 2022 9:24 pm

Read a little on Transnistria this week, so naturally I'm an expert now. ;)

When the USSR collapsed, a group of its army stationed in what is now called Transnistria didn't want to leave/quit and basically went LeRoy Jenkins. And just like that a "country" was born. :lol:

Regarding the current war, not sure if Ukraine would have the forces to spare to mount an invasion to overtake the forces in Transnistria.
Considering that that area is really part of Moldova anyway, I don't really see Ukraine attempting an invasion of Moldova. Considering the state of the Russian military and how they've performed to date, I don't really think a small detachment of Russian troops in an isolated part of Moldova is really a huge concern for anyone at this time. Although I'm not Moldovan so I don't know how they feel about it.
Speculation on the reasoning for the Ukrainians to do that would be to capture a boat load of munitions there...

... and Moldova as fine letting those rogue forces occupy their territory so not sure why anyone would care about their concern on the matter.
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UNI88 wrote: Thu Apr 28, 2022 10:20 am
GannonFan wrote: Thu Apr 28, 2022 7:25 am

Considering that that area is really part of Moldova anyway, I don't really see Ukraine attempting an invasion of Moldova. Considering the state of the Russian military and how they've performed to date, I don't really think a small detachment of Russian troops in an isolated part of Moldova is really a huge concern for anyone at this time. Although I'm not Moldovan so I don't know how they feel about it.
I agree that it's unlikely that Ukraine is looking at Transnistria. Moldova would like to have it back but as I understand Transnistria is the industrial part of the country, has a larger populace and is better armed. The only way that Transnistria falls is with Romanian help. As our Transnistrian expert, SD can you confirm? ;)

Moldova might even be worried about Transnistria taking over the rest of the country and Romania is mobilizing to defending Moldova. Damn Russians are the likely aggressors again.
:lol:

Transnistria is land locked so not really sure why anyone is paying too much attention to them at the moment. It's not like Russia gains anything by airdropping forces/material there.

Ukraine has bigger problems on their hands as the Russians are currently in a pincer move on the Donbas and gaining territory daily and have amassed significant forces in the south to make moves there. When the regular folks that have been pushing "Ukraine is winning" narratives are now questioning if Ukraine can even win this, you know something is up.
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The Russian PM recently hinted that we are close to WWIII due to the west’s support of Ukraine…

And, its possible that Western powers are at least preparing for the possible launch of that war by Russia…
Amid escalating tensions between NATO and Russia, nuclear submarines from the United Kingdom, the United States, and France are reportedly now stationed at Her Majesty’s Naval Base, Clyde (HMNB Clyde; also HMS Neptune) in Faslane, Scotland, near Glasgow.

The USS Indiana, a Virginia-class nuclear-powered attack submarine, was sighted sailing towards Her Majesty’s Naval Base (HMNB) Clyde on April 27.
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SDHornet wrote: Fri Apr 29, 2022 9:31 pmUkraine has bigger problems on their hands as the Russians are currently in a pincer move on the Donbas and gaining territory daily and have amassed significant forces in the south to make moves there.
You've been giddy about the Donbas pincer for a couple of months. Russia has abandoned Kyiv to apply more pressure. And??

I thought 45k Ukrainians we're about to be surrounded at the end of Feb? :coffee:

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Swastikas aren't necessary. Read the article you posted earlier about Russians fighting fascism.

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