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Re: Climate Change Defamation

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UNI88 wrote: Thu Jun 13, 2024 5:03 pm
kalm wrote: Thu Jun 13, 2024 4:45 pm

Jesus Christ…you check in to post this? :lol:

That was one hell of a 2 year flu season and why do you hate grandma?

Lockdowns work. People ignoring lockdowns and vaccines works less effectively.

Do you send your kids to school with the flu? Are they unvaccinated?
:suspicious: Am I missing something? The time stamps indicate that SG posted that at 10:42 am on 2/11/24 just 11 minutes after your post at 10:31 am on 2/11/24.

I am curious how you apply "focused protection to the elderly instead of bringing COVID into their nursing homes". Does that mean that nursing home employees have to be quarantined and can't stay with or see friends and family? If they can, are they quarantining nursing home employees plus the friends and family? Where does it stop? Or would it be a nursing home version of Lord of the Flies where no outsiders are allowed to enter and they have to take care of themselves? Inquiring minds want to know the details of how this solution that appears simple but really isn't would work.
Oops. I thought that was a recent post. :mrgreen:

The nursing home fiasco (at least the one in NY) was a huge mistake.

The other extreme is an potentially exposed worker going to a party, wedding, any social gathering at the heart of the pandemic where people were not socially distancing and not testing before or after and then heading to work in the home the next day.

So indeed, it’s not simple.

The saddest part of Covid other than the millions who died or are still experiencing issues associated with it, was the self centered lack of community and sacrificing normalcy for a period of time in order to lesson the illnesses and come out of it quicker.

We could have done much better and in a perfect world we wouldn’t need government mandates as enough people would do the right thing.

That’s not the America we have been in. Hopefully it changes for things beyond Covid.
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You know one thing to come out of Covid is the next time around people will know better than to trust again the BS coming out of govt.
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BDKJMU wrote: Thu Jun 13, 2024 9:52 pm You know one thing to come out of Covid is the next time around people will know better than to trust again the BS coming out of govt.
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BDKJMU wrote: Thu Jun 13, 2024 9:52 pm You know one thing to come out of Covid is the next time around people will know better than to trust again the BS coming out of govt.
So people will be even more self centered and greater spreaders of disease?

Sweet!
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kalm wrote: Fri Jun 14, 2024 6:36 am
BDKJMU wrote: Thu Jun 13, 2024 9:52 pm You know one thing to come out of Covid is the next time around people will know better than to trust again the BS coming out of govt.
So people will be even more self centered and greater spreaders of disease?

Sweet!
Noooo

The results will be basically the same without all the economic, social and educational drudgery
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BDKJMU wrote: Thu Jun 13, 2024 9:52 pm You know one thing to come out of Covid is the next time around people will know better than to trust again the BS coming out of govt.
Who is more gullible? The people who continue to trust "the BS coming out of the govt" or the people who continue to trust the BS coming out of trump and his MAQA yahoo bootlickers in official positions?

If you believe the 2020 election was stolen or that DA Alvin Bragg was doing the bidding of a weaponized DoJ / biden then you fall into the 2nd category.
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kalm wrote: Thu Jun 13, 2024 4:45 pm
SeattleGriz wrote: Sun Feb 11, 2024 8:42 am

You chose to follow one metric (deaths) and not the other (%) in regards to COVID.

Pick the other metric (%) and one sees COVID was only slightly worse than a bad cold and flu season with age being the biggest factor in deaths, so the vast majority were not at risk.

Lockdowns don't work for a respiratory pandemic. That's been documented for years. Maybe if the people you supported had applied focused protection to the elderly instead of bringing COVID into their nursing homes, we'd have seen that level of care you want to see. This was all over a metric and you were a medical fascist.
Jesus Christ…you check in to post this? :lol:

That was one hell of a 2 year flu season and why do you hate grandma?

Lockdowns work. People ignoring lockdowns and vaccines works less effectively.

Do you send your kids to school with the flu? Are they unvaccinated?
Can't quit me I see. Digging up old posts. You are incorrect on lockdowns.

I do not send my kids to school with the flu. In fact I'm certain my son makes up fake illnesses and I still don't send him to school. He self isolates like every responsible person should do. We do not force our neighborhood into lockdown just to protect my son and stop the spread. We've contained it at the house level. Also Sweden.

All my children are fully vaccinated. Some I would have preferred they not have been required to take, but all have pretty decent risk/reward profiles. The COVID vaccine's rewards were only for a small fraction of the population. Outside that small demographic, it was far more risk than reward. They did not stop the spread.
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SeattleGriz wrote: Fri Jun 14, 2024 1:29 pm
kalm wrote: Thu Jun 13, 2024 4:45 pm

Jesus Christ…you check in to post this? :lol:

That was one hell of a 2 year flu season and why do you hate grandma?

Lockdowns work. People ignoring lockdowns and vaccines works less effectively.

Do you send your kids to school with the flu? Are they unvaccinated?
Can't quit me I see. Digging up old posts. You are incorrect on lockdowns.

I do not send my kids to school with the flu. In fact I'm certain my son makes up fake illnesses and I still don't send him to school. He self isolates like every responsible person should do. We do not force our neighborhood into lockdown just to protect my son and stop the spread. We've contained it at the house level. Also Sweden.

All my children are fully vaccinated. Some I would have preferred they not have been required to take, but all have pretty decent risk/reward profiles. The COVID vaccine's rewards were only for a small fraction of the population. Outside that small demographic, it was far more risk than reward. They did not stop the spread.
I didn’t dig it up. It was an accident after looking a new post from UNI.

But since you insist, how big was the fraction of the public, does it include those with long haul covid and/or long term organ damage who were healthy before?

You chose the flu as an example. Has the flue ever reached worldwide pandemic numbers?

Again not everyone can be trusted to take measures you’ve adopted for your family.
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AMOC scare

What a bunch of media bullcrap
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Caribbean Hen wrote: Tue Oct 22, 2024 4:21 am https://www.investors.com/politics/comm ... e/?ref=yfp

Oldie but goodie
Another oldie but goodie. It takes about 1 minute to find each “scientific” denier source is funded by the fossil fuel industry and right wing think tanks.

SG started his great global warming hoax debate by quoting the Heartland Institute years ago. lol.

Yet here we are all these years later still debating the hockey stick graph modeling.
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kalm wrote: Tue Oct 22, 2024 7:28 am
Caribbean Hen wrote: Tue Oct 22, 2024 4:21 am https://www.investors.com/politics/comm ... e/?ref=yfp

Oldie but goodie
Another oldie but goodie. It takes about 1 minute to find each “scientific” denier source is funded by the fossil fuel industry and right wing think tanks.

SG started his great global warming hoax debate by quoting the Heartland Institute years ago. lol.

Yet here we are all these years later still debating the hockey stick graph modeling.
tell us about Albedo and how something that is not understood is incorporated into the climate models
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Caribbean Hen wrote: Tue Oct 22, 2024 7:51 am
kalm wrote: Tue Oct 22, 2024 7:28 am

Another oldie but goodie. It takes about 1 minute to find each “scientific” denier source is funded by the fossil fuel industry and right wing think tanks.

SG started his great global warming hoax debate by quoting the Heartland Institute years ago. lol.

Yet here we are all these years later still debating the hockey stick graph modeling.
tell us about Albedo and how something that is not understood is incorporated into the climate models
No.

If you’d like to share your peer reviewed thesis on it, feel free.
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kalm wrote: Tue Oct 22, 2024 7:56 am
Caribbean Hen wrote: Tue Oct 22, 2024 7:51 am

tell us about Albedo and how something that is not understood is incorporated into the climate models
No.

If you’d like to share your peer reviewed thesis on it, feel free.
Just as my Kalm model predicted …. Nada
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Caribbean Hen wrote: Tue Oct 22, 2024 8:03 am
kalm wrote: Tue Oct 22, 2024 7:56 am

No.

If you’d like to share your peer reviewed thesis on it, feel free.
Just as my Kalm model predicted …. Nada
Your theory, your dispute, your burden of proof. This is where these discussions always end.
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kalm wrote: Tue Oct 22, 2024 8:53 am
Caribbean Hen wrote: Tue Oct 22, 2024 8:03 am

Just as my Kalm model predicted …. Nada
Your theory, your dispute, your burden of proof. This is where these discussions always end.
Not my theory at all

Just asking someone or anyone who claims he knows about climate models and you immediately shut it down

Poor ambassador for your cause
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They got nothing
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Caribbean Hen wrote: Tue Oct 22, 2024 9:52 am
kalm wrote: Tue Oct 22, 2024 8:53 am

Your theory, your dispute, your burden of proof. This is where these discussions always end.
Not my theory at all

Just asking someone or anyone who claims he knows about climate models and you immediately shut it down

Poor ambassador for your cause
I claim to trust what actual scientists say on the matter. Your conspiracy theory is up to you to waste your time on.
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The highest paid scientists always say what you want them to say.
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kalm wrote: Tue Oct 22, 2024 10:36 am
Caribbean Hen wrote: Tue Oct 22, 2024 9:52 am

Not my theory at all

Just asking someone or anyone who claims he knows about climate models and you immediately shut it down

Poor ambassador for your cause
I claim to trust what actual scientists say on the matter. Your conspiracy theory is up to you to waste your time on.
Ok fine

Lesson learned, never listen to anything Kalm baaaaa’s on climate change
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kalm wrote: Tue Oct 22, 2024 7:56 am
Caribbean Hen wrote: Tue Oct 22, 2024 7:51 am

tell us about Albedo and how something that is not understood is incorporated into the climate models
No.

If you’d like to share your peer reviewed thesis on it, feel free.
If you were actually concerned you would share it
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Caribbean Hen wrote: Thu Oct 31, 2024 1:11 pm
kalm wrote: Tue Oct 22, 2024 7:56 am

No.

If you’d like to share your peer reviewed thesis on it, feel free.
If you were actually concerned you would share it
Why?

The theory has been around for years. Developed by…wait for it….climate scientists…duh did duhhhhh.

Refracted light could also create temporary periods of intitial mild cooling and turbulence in regions for a year or so as water vapor intensified, blocked sunlight, and increased precipitation.
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kalm wrote: Thu Oct 31, 2024 5:44 pm
Caribbean Hen wrote: Thu Oct 31, 2024 1:11 pm

If you were actually concerned you would share it
Why?

The theory has been around for years. Developed by…wait for it….climate scientists…duh did duhhhhh.

Refracted light could also create temporary periods of intitial mild cooling and turbulence in regions for a year or so as water vapor intensified, blocked sunlight, and increased precipitation.
So the model weighting could be open to interpretation
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Caribbean Hen wrote: Thu Oct 31, 2024 6:24 pm
kalm wrote: Thu Oct 31, 2024 5:44 pm

Why?

The theory has been around for years. Developed by…wait for it….climate scientists…duh did duhhhhh.

Refracted light could also create temporary periods of intitial mild cooling and turbulence in regions for a year or so as water vapor intensified, blocked sunlight, and increased precipitation.
So the model weighting could be open to interpretation
Of course. It’s called science.

I’m uninterested in going down this road again. It’s been travelled for over a decade. I’ll let you believe in whatever conspiracies and ask outdated question as you like. Just don’t be surprised when they’re laughed at or ignored.
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