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This is a good point.

https://news.mit.edu/2021/when-more-cov ... nding-0304
When more Covid-19 data doesn’t equal more understanding

Social media users share charts and graphs — often with the same underlying data — to advocate opposing approaches to the pandemic.
The qualitative findings from deep lurking appeared consistent with the quantitative Twitter findings. Antimaskers on Facebook weren’t eschewing data. Rather, they discussed how different kinds of data were collected and why. “Their arguments are really quite nuanced,” says Lee. “It’s often a question of metrics.” For example, antimask groups might argue that visualizations of infection numbers could be misleading, in part because of the wide range of uncertainty in infection rates, compared to measurements like the number of deaths. In response, members of the group would often create their own counter-visualizations, even instructing each other in data visualization techniques.
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HI54UNI wrote: Sat Jul 17, 2021 1:25 pm
Baldy wrote: Sat Jul 17, 2021 1:16 pm And now, the Chef's kiss. :rofl: :notworthy: :lol:

:rofl: :rofl:
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AshevilleApp wrote: Sat Jul 17, 2021 2:17 pm
Ivytalk wrote: Sat Jul 17, 2021 6:38 am

You’re right, but WF is now a bit distant from its Baptist roots. They don’t call it “Woke Forest” for nothing!
This is new to me. Who calls it Woke Forest?
Lots of people. Quote the expression and Google it.
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Ivytalk wrote:
AshevilleApp wrote: Sat Jul 17, 2021 2:17 pm This is new to me. Who calls it Woke Forest?
Lots of people. Quote the expression and Google it.
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CID1990 wrote: Sun Jul 18, 2021 4:53 am
Ivytalk wrote:
Lots of people. Quote the expression and Google it.
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Poor Wake, they can't ever really enter the "Hate Sweepstakes" in NC. Even State has some haters. I don't know anyone who actively dislikes Wake.
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AshevilleApp wrote: Sun Jul 18, 2021 5:51 am
CID1990 wrote: Sun Jul 18, 2021 4:53 am
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Poor Wake, they can't ever really enter the "Hate Sweepstakes" in NC. Even State has some haters. I don't know anyone who actively dislikes Wake.
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The pandemic of the unvaccinated....
The summer wasn’t meant to be like this. By April, Greene County, in southwestern Missouri, seemed to be past the worst of the pandemic. Intensive-care units that once overflowed had emptied. Vaccinations were rising. Health-care workers who had been fighting the coronavirus for months felt relieved—perhaps even hopeful. Then, in late May, cases started ticking up again. By July, the surge was so pronounced that “it took the wind out of everyone,” Erik Frederick, the chief administrative officer of Mercy Hospital Springfield, told me. “How did we end up back here again?”


The hospital is now busier than at any previous point during the pandemic. In just five weeks, it took in as many COVID-19 patients as it did over five months last year. Ten minutes away, another big hospital, Cox Medical Center South, has been inundated just as quickly. “We only get beds available when someone dies, which happens several times a day,” Terrence Coulter, the critical-care medical director at CoxHealth, told me.

Last week, Katie Towns, the acting director of the Springfield–Greene County Health Department, was concerned that the county’s daily cases were topping 250. On Wednesday, the daily count hit 405. This dramatic surge is the work of the super-contagious Delta variant, which now accounts for 95 percent of Greene County’s new cases, according to Towns. It is spreading easily because people have ditched their masks, crowded into indoor spaces, resumed travel, and resisted vaccinations. Just 40 percent of people in Greene County are fully vaccinated. In some nearby counties, less than 20 percent of people are.

Many experts have argued that, even with Delta, the United States is unlikely to revisit the horrors of last winter. Even now, the country’s hospitalizations are one-seventh as high as they were in mid-January. But national optimism glosses over local reality. For many communities, this year will be worse than last. Springfield’s health-care workers and public-health specialists are experiencing the same ordeals they thought they had left behind. “But it feels worse this time because we’ve seen it before,” Amelia Montgomery, a nurse at CoxHealth, told me. “Walking back into the COVID ICU was demoralizing.”

Those ICUs are also filling with younger patients, in their 20s, 30s, and 40s, including many with no underlying health problems. In part, that’s because elderly people have been more likely to get vaccinated, leaving Delta with a younger pool of vulnerable hosts. While experts are still uncertain if Delta is deadlier than the original coronavirus, every physician and nurse in Missouri whom I spoke with told me that the 30- and 40-something COVID-19 patients they’re now seeing are much sicker than those they saw last year. “That age group did get COVID before, but they didn’t usually end up in the ICU like they are now,” Jonathan Brown, a respiratory therapist at Mercy, told me. Nurses are watching families navigate end-of-life decisions for young people who have no advance directives or other legal documents in place.

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/arch ... ge/619456/
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A friend posted this information on Facebook , except for using "This year" instead of "During that same time period". This is the only blurb I found without digging deep, and it came from the Chattanooga Times Free Press. I don't want to open up an account with them, so I grabbed what I could.

"During that same time period, the Tennessee Department of Health reported 4,621 coronavirus deaths and 5,879 hospitalizations, meaning Tennesseans who haven't been vaccinated account for 97.2% of hospitalizations and 99.5% of deaths."

I can't (actually won't) corroborate the information. And if true, it doesn't list the numbers of hospitalizations/deaths that happened prior to the vaccine being readily available vs after. But they are interesting numbers all the same.
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kalm wrote: Sun Jul 18, 2021 7:50 am The pandemic of the unvaccinated....
The summer wasn’t meant to be like this. By April, Greene County, in southwestern Missouri, seemed to be past the worst of the pandemic. Intensive-care units that once overflowed had emptied. Vaccinations were rising. Health-care workers who had been fighting the coronavirus for months felt relieved—perhaps even hopeful. Then, in late May, cases started ticking up again. By July, the surge was so pronounced that “it took the wind out of everyone,” Erik Frederick, the chief administrative officer of Mercy Hospital Springfield, told me. “How did we end up back here again?”


The hospital is now busier than at any previous point during the pandemic. In just five weeks, it took in as many COVID-19 patients as it did over five months last year. Ten minutes away, another big hospital, Cox Medical Center South, has been inundated just as quickly. “We only get beds available when someone dies, which happens several times a day,” Terrence Coulter, the critical-care medical director at CoxHealth, told me.

Last week, Katie Towns, the acting director of the Springfield–Greene County Health Department, was concerned that the county’s daily cases were topping 250. On Wednesday, the daily count hit 405. This dramatic surge is the work of the super-contagious Delta variant, which now accounts for 95 percent of Greene County’s new cases, according to Towns. It is spreading easily because people have ditched their masks, crowded into indoor spaces, resumed travel, and resisted vaccinations. Just 40 percent of people in Greene County are fully vaccinated. In some nearby counties, less than 20 percent of people are.

Many experts have argued that, even with Delta, the United States is unlikely to revisit the horrors of last winter. Even now, the country’s hospitalizations are one-seventh as high as they were in mid-January. But national optimism glosses over local reality. For many communities, this year will be worse than last. Springfield’s health-care workers and public-health specialists are experiencing the same ordeals they thought they had left behind. “But it feels worse this time because we’ve seen it before,” Amelia Montgomery, a nurse at CoxHealth, told me. “Walking back into the COVID ICU was demoralizing.”

Those ICUs are also filling with younger patients, in their 20s, 30s, and 40s, including many with no underlying health problems. In part, that’s because elderly people have been more likely to get vaccinated, leaving Delta with a younger pool of vulnerable hosts. While experts are still uncertain if Delta is deadlier than the original coronavirus, every physician and nurse in Missouri whom I spoke with told me that the 30- and 40-something COVID-19 patients they’re now seeing are much sicker than those they saw last year. “That age group did get COVID before, but they didn’t usually end up in the ICU like they are now,” Jonathan Brown, a respiratory therapist at Mercy, told me. Nurses are watching families navigate end-of-life decisions for young people who have no advance directives or other legal documents in place.

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/arch ... ge/619456/
Thank you, President Biden :ohno:
https://www.newsweek.com/us-covid-vaccination-rate-declined-since-april-peak-1598212 wrote:Brakes on Vaccination Rates in U.S., Decline Two-thirds Since April Peak
The average daily U.S. COVID-19 vaccination rate has dropped by more than two-thirds (over 66 percent) from its peak in April.

The latest report Sunday by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) showed the seven-day average of total COVID-19 vaccine doses administered per day has been declining since April 11, when it peaked at just over 3.3 million (3,327,493) doses.

By June 1, the daily average dipped to less than a million (871,207 doses), dropping by 2,456,286 doses (nearly 74 percent) from the peak recorded in April, according to the latest CDC data.

A seven-day analysis by The Washington Post reported the vaccination rate in every state declined by at least two-thirds from its peak.
I wonder how much of an effect the Biden Administration's idiotic move on April 13th of pausing the Johnson & Johnson vaccine for unfounded reasons had on these numbers?
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Baldy wrote: Sun Jul 18, 2021 8:38 am
kalm wrote: Sun Jul 18, 2021 7:50 am The pandemic of the unvaccinated....

Thank you, President Biden :ohno:
https://www.newsweek.com/us-covid-vaccination-rate-declined-since-april-peak-1598212 wrote:Brakes on Vaccination Rates in U.S., Decline Two-thirds Since April Peak
The average daily U.S. COVID-19 vaccination rate has dropped by more than two-thirds (over 66 percent) from its peak in April.

The latest report Sunday by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) showed the seven-day average of total COVID-19 vaccine doses administered per day has been declining since April 11, when it peaked at just over 3.3 million (3,327,493) doses.

By June 1, the daily average dipped to less than a million (871,207 doses), dropping by 2,456,286 doses (nearly 74 percent) from the peak recorded in April, according to the latest CDC data.

A seven-day analysis by The Washington Post reported the vaccination rate in every state declined by at least two-thirds from its peak.
I wonder how much of an effect the Biden Administration's idiotic move on April 13th of pausing the Johnson & Johnson vaccine for unfounded reasons had on these numbers?
Unfounded? How so?
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kalm wrote: Sun Jul 18, 2021 9:00 am
Baldy wrote: Sun Jul 18, 2021 8:38 am
Thank you, President Biden :ohno:




I wonder how much of an effect the Biden Administration's idiotic move on April 13th of pausing the Johnson & Johnson vaccine for unfounded reasons had on these numbers?
Unfounded? How so?
Six illnesses out of 7 million doses. Slightly worse odds than being hit by lightening.
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Baldy wrote: Sun Jul 18, 2021 10:07 am
kalm wrote: Sun Jul 18, 2021 9:00 am

Unfounded? How so?
Six illnesses out of 7 million doses. Slightly worse odds than being hit by lightening.
I hope you aren't going to fall for their bullshit and get vacinated. Don't let some pointy-head book-reader tell you how to live your life. :ohno:
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Utah's Republican governor said anti-vaccine rhetoric from some on the right is 'literally killing their supporters'
Cox said that the only way to address the rising cases is for more people to get vaccinated.

"The disease is far worse than the vaccine," Cox said. "We desperately need you to get vaccinated."
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Baldy wrote: Sun Jul 18, 2021 10:07 am
kalm wrote: Sun Jul 18, 2021 9:00 am

Unfounded? How so?
Six illnesses out of 7 million doses. Slightly worse odds than being hit by lightening.
Illnesses of what type? How is it idiotic?
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kalm wrote: Sun Jul 18, 2021 7:50 am The pandemic of the unvaccinated....
The summer wasn’t meant to be like this. By April, Greene County, in southwestern Missouri, seemed to be past the worst of the pandemic. Intensive-care units that once overflowed had emptied. Vaccinations were rising. Health-care workers who had been fighting the coronavirus for months felt relieved—perhaps even hopeful. Then, in late May, cases started ticking up again. By July, the surge was so pronounced that “it took the wind out of everyone,” Erik Frederick, the chief administrative officer of Mercy Hospital Springfield, told me. “How did we end up back here again?”


The hospital is now busier than at any previous point during the pandemic. In just five weeks, it took in as many COVID-19 patients as it did over five months last year. Ten minutes away, another big hospital, Cox Medical Center South, has been inundated just as quickly. “We only get beds available when someone dies, which happens several times a day,” Terrence Coulter, the critical-care medical director at CoxHealth, told me.

Last week, Katie Towns, the acting director of the Springfield–Greene County Health Department, was concerned that the county’s daily cases were topping 250. On Wednesday, the daily count hit 405. This dramatic surge is the work of the super-contagious Delta variant, which now accounts for 95 percent of Greene County’s new cases, according to Towns. It is spreading easily because people have ditched their masks, crowded into indoor spaces, resumed travel, and resisted vaccinations. Just 40 percent of people in Greene County are fully vaccinated. In some nearby counties, less than 20 percent of people are.

Many experts have argued that, even with Delta, the United States is unlikely to revisit the horrors of last winter. Even now, the country’s hospitalizations are one-seventh as high as they were in mid-January. But national optimism glosses over local reality. For many communities, this year will be worse than last. Springfield’s health-care workers and public-health specialists are experiencing the same ordeals they thought they had left behind. “But it feels worse this time because we’ve seen it before,” Amelia Montgomery, a nurse at CoxHealth, told me. “Walking back into the COVID ICU was demoralizing.”

Those ICUs are also filling with younger patients, in their 20s, 30s, and 40s, including many with no underlying health problems. In part, that’s because elderly people have been more likely to get vaccinated, leaving Delta with a younger pool of vulnerable hosts. While experts are still uncertain if Delta is deadlier than the original coronavirus, every physician and nurse in Missouri whom I spoke with told me that the 30- and 40-something COVID-19 patients they’re now seeing are much sicker than those they saw last year. “That age group did get COVID before, but they didn’t usually end up in the ICU like they are now,” Jonathan Brown, a respiratory therapist at Mercy, told me. Nurses are watching families navigate end-of-life decisions for young people who have no advance directives or other legal documents in place.

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/arch ... ge/619456/
Uh. It's always been a pandemic of unvaccinated. In fact, before the vaccines were developed, it was 100% unvaccinated.
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kalm wrote: Sun Jul 18, 2021 1:06 pm
Baldy wrote: Sun Jul 18, 2021 10:07 am
Six illnesses out of 7 million doses. Slightly worse odds than being hit by lightening.
Illnesses of what type? How is it idiotic?
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houndawg wrote: Sun Jul 18, 2021 12:08 pm
Baldy wrote: Sun Jul 18, 2021 10:07 am
Six illnesses out of 7 million doses. Slightly worse odds than being hit by lightening.
I hope you aren't going to fall for their bullshit and get vacinated. Don't let some pointy-head book-reader tell you how to live your life. :ohno:
Why not? Thanks to President Trump and Operation Warpspeed, I and most of the people I know got the jab as soon as we were eligible. :lol:
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Baldy wrote: Sun Jul 18, 2021 1:26 pm
kalm wrote: Sun Jul 18, 2021 1:06 pm

Illnesses of what type? How is it idiotic?
This may help you: https://is.gd/IcJROT
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SeattleGriz wrote: Sat Jul 17, 2021 7:45 pm This is a good point.

https://news.mit.edu/2021/when-more-cov ... nding-0304
When more Covid-19 data doesn’t equal more understanding

Social media users share charts and graphs — often with the same underlying data — to advocate opposing approaches to the pandemic.
The qualitative findings from deep lurking appeared consistent with the quantitative Twitter findings. Antimaskers on Facebook weren’t eschewing data. Rather, they discussed how different kinds of data were collected and why. “Their arguments are really quite nuanced,” says Lee. “It’s often a question of metrics.” For example, antimask groups might argue that visualizations of infection numbers could be misleading, in part because of the wide range of uncertainty in infection rates, compared to measurements like the number of deaths. In response, members of the group would often create their own counter-visualizations, even instructing each other in data visualization techniques.
It looks to me like that article is talking about anti mask skeptics using data visualization to support a false narrative and the complexities associated with that problem.
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Baldy wrote: Sun Jul 18, 2021 1:34 pm
houndawg wrote: Sun Jul 18, 2021 12:08 pm

I hope you aren't going to fall for their bullshit and get vacinated. Don't let some pointy-head book-reader tell you how to live your life. :ohno:
Why not? Thanks to President Trump and Operation Warpspeed, I and most of the people I know got the jab as soon as we were eligible. :lol:
It's not thanks to Trump and Operation Warpspeed. That idea is an example of Trump taking credit for things that are not his doing. It was advances in vaccine development technology along with the fact that a lot of work had already been done of vaccines against SARS-CoV. If Operation Warpspeed was the reason vaccines were developed so quickly, why did the Russians have an effective vaccine ready for use before we did? That had nothing to do with Trump. Pfizer was not part of Operation Warpspeed. What happened with respect to rapid vaccine development did not happen because of Trump.
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AshevilleApp wrote: Sun Jul 18, 2021 8:33 am A friend posted this information on Facebook , except for using "This year" instead of "During that same time period". This is the only blurb I found without digging deep, and it came from the Chattanooga Times Free Press. I don't want to open up an account with them, so I grabbed what I could.

"During that same time period, the Tennessee Department of Health reported 4,621 coronavirus deaths and 5,879 hospitalizations, meaning Tennesseans who haven't been vaccinated account for 97.2% of hospitalizations and 99.5% of deaths."

I can't (actually won't) corroborate the information. And if true, it doesn't list the numbers of hospitalizations/deaths that happened prior to the vaccine being readily available vs after. But they are interesting numbers all the same.
Died with or from? Is there still is a monetary stake for hospitals/insurance companies to have patients test positive with the China Virus?
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So the same people that publicly discouraged the Trump vaccine are now wondering why people wanting vaccines have plateaued? :lol:

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France going all in on vaccine passports.

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JohnStOnge wrote: Sun Jul 18, 2021 5:22 pm
SeattleGriz wrote: Sat Jul 17, 2021 7:45 pm This is a good point.

https://news.mit.edu/2021/when-more-cov ... nding-0304



It looks to me like that article is talking about anti mask skeptics using data visualization to support a false narrative and the complexities associated with that problem.
I think you missed the part where when done presenting their counter claim, gave the data source to the group and also helped anyone recreate their work.

That's how you make progress.
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JohnStOnge wrote: Sun Jul 18, 2021 5:27 pm
Baldy wrote: Sun Jul 18, 2021 1:34 pm
Why not? Thanks to President Trump and Operation Warpspeed, I and most of the people I know got the jab as soon as we were eligible. :lol:
It's not thanks to Trump and Operation Warpspeed. That idea is an example of Trump taking credit for things that are not his doing. It was advances in vaccine development technology along with the fact that a lot of work had already been done of vaccines against SARS-CoV. If Operation Warpspeed was the reason vaccines were developed so quickly, why did the Russians have an effective vaccine ready for use before we did? That had nothing to do with Trump. Pfizer was not part of Operation Warpspeed. What happened with respect to rapid vaccine development did not happen because of Trump.
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Facts First: Pfizer's vaccine progress is certainly not solely attributable to the Trump administration's Operation Warp Speed public-private partnership program. But it was not accurate for Pfizer to suggest that it is operating entirely apart from Operation Warp Speed; the company has a major agreement to sell at least 100 million doses of its vaccine to the federal government, and Pfizer acknowledged in a Monday statement to CNN that it is in fact "participating" in Operation Warp Speed through this deal. Also, at least some independent experts say the Trump administration deserves partial credit for Pfizer's progress.
It's true that Pfizer, unlike some other pharmaceutical companies, did not accept federal money for research into a coronavirus vaccine. Pfizer, unlike these competitors, is not getting payments up front even before proving its effort has been successful.
However, the Trump administration agreed in July to buy at least $1.95 billion worth of a Pfizer vaccine, at least 100 million doses, if Pfizer does get a vaccine authorized by the Food and Drug Administration.
Three experts told CNN that this purchase promise may have played an important role in expediting Pfizer's vaccine development process. So after Pfizer's initial claim to the New York Times that it has never been part of Operation Warp Speed, CNN asked the company if there was any more nuance to the situation.
In response, Pfizer spokesperson Sharon Castillo provided a statement that said the company is indeed part of Operation Warp Speed.
"Pfizer is one of various vaccine manufacturers participating in Operation Warp Speed
as a supplier of a potential COVID-19 vaccine," Castillo said in an email. "While Pfizer did reach an advanced purchase agreement with the U.S. government, the company did not accept (Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority) funding for the research and development process. All the investment for R&D was made by Pfizer at risk. Dr. Jansen was emphasizing that last point."
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/11/10/poli ... index.html

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