Disgraceful

[89Hen]

I voted for Biden expecting him to be………………………….Biden.

And I’d vote for him over Trump again.

Trump made our allies laugh at us. Biden makes our enemies laugh at us. Take your pick.

[Winterborn]

I voted for Biden expecting him to be………………………….Biden.

And I’d vote for him over Trump again.

Trump made our allies laugh at us. Biden makes our enemies laugh at us. Take your pick.

[kalm]

Why would anybody expect anything different from Biden…he made his position clear years ago…

Biden has always been a self-centered, what is in it for me type of person.

Spoiler: show

All politicians are and they are just better at covering it up than Trump.

[BDKJMU]

The "blood on our hands" narrative is a tad dramatic. NOBODY who voted for Biden thought a colossal screw up like this was going to occur. Biden voters aren't complicit just because they voted in October. Biden is. His advisors and such that failed to either heed the warnings or act decisively have the blood on their hands. Do Clinton voters have blood on their hands b/c Bill failed to take out OBL when he had the chance prior to 9/11? Do Nixon voters have blood on their hands for his perpetuation of the Vietnam War while at the same time trying to end it? Or how about his crimes? Are Trump voters complicit in his Big Lie and attack on our Democracy? My point is - is we vote for people and just b/c they royally fuck up like Biden, it doesn't mean we're Lady MacBeth.

Personally - I'm not embarrassed I voted for Biden. The alternative was a man who has zero morale compass and isn't a Conservative or Republican and is just a hateful, petty, petulant man-child. I'm angry with Biden. I'm frustrated with Biden and he's lost my support. Once again...jilted by a politician and for that I am embarrassed.

I agree. When we all vote we make the best judgement call with the information at hand and cast our ballot. Now we all have different criteria and weigh things differently so while one person says this is a negative, somebody else will say it is a positive.

I do not think Trump would of done better (I know he couldn't of done worse) but for 4 years it was beat into Trump voters that because one voted for him, you were a Nazi, redneck, bigot, racist, etc. because Trump was perceived to act that way. I see some of the response in this tread doing the same to Biden votes and while dishing up some schadenfreude is fun in the short term, it only hurts everybody long term.

The verbal escalation and usage of terms outside of their intended definition to give the user more perceived power or higher ground is the problem. Calling people names that are obviously false (Nazi for example) just because they voted for a person or agree partially with how somebody handled a situation or because they disagree with what the speaker believes in, just leads to the desensitization and loss of meaning for words that should be using sparingly and in the correct context. It also leads people to ignore their use and the speaker that is using them. Thereby invoking harsher language by the speaker to try and drum up more emotional support for their cause.

Why not? Virtually any conk or donk could have done better. Trump was batting 1000% with the ME. All that would have had to be done to do better would be to have a plan, of which there clearly was none, and get our people out and Afghan allies before pulling out completely. That right there, while still a 20 yr waste, thousands of lives, several trillion $$, would have made it WAY better.

[Winterborn]

I agree. When we all vote we make the best judgement call with the information at hand and cast our ballot. Now we all have different criteria and weigh things differently so while one person says this is a negative, somebody else will say it is a positive.

I do not think Trump would of done better (I know he couldn't of done worse) but for 4 years it was beat into Trump voters that because one voted for him, you were a Nazi, redneck, bigot, racist, etc. because Trump was perceived to act that way. I see some of the response in this tread doing the same to Biden votes and while dishing up some schadenfreude is fun in the short term, it only hurts everybody long term.

The verbal escalation and usage of terms outside of their intended definition to give the user more perceived power or higher ground is the problem. Calling people names that are obviously false (Nazi for example) just because they voted for a person or agree partially with how somebody handled a situation or because they disagree with what the speaker believes in, just leads to the desensitization and loss of meaning for words that should be using sparingly and in the correct context. It also leads people to ignore their use and the speaker that is using them. Thereby invoking harsher language by the speaker to try and drum up more emotional support for their cause.

Why not. Trump was batting 1000% with the ME. All he would have had to do to do better would be to get our people out and Afghan allies before pulling out completely. That right there, while still a 20 yr waste, thousands of lives, several trillion $$, would have made it WAY better.

Trump has some of the same personality flaws that Biden does. Both have to be the smartest person in the room and tends to do what is best for themselves first.

I could easily be wrong as he did let others handle the ME and he might of done the same here. And yes, Biden set the bar very low for being better.

[BDKJMU]

1 airport, Bagram, apparently 25 miles outside of Kabul, 3 runways, easily defendable.

1 airport in the middle of a city of 4 1/2 million, 1 runway, surrounded by mountains, not easily defendable.

Why in the heck abandon Bagatam before Kabul? Why not make Bagram the LAST thing to be abandoned? Get all your people and Afghan allies out, gather/consolidate/destroy a bunch of equpment left behind, and the last one out turn out the lights (or hit the detonate switch).

Am I missing something?

[CAA Flagship]

1 airport, Bagram, apparently 25 miles outside of Kabul, 3 runways, easily defendable.

1 airport in the middle of a city of 4 1/2 million, 1 runway, surrounded by mountains, not easily defendable.

Why in the heck abandon Bagatam before Kabul? Why not make Bagram the LAST thing to be abandoned? Get all your people and Afghan allies out, gather/consolidate/destroy a bunch of equpment left behind, and the last one out turn out the lights (or hit the detonate switch).

Am I missing something?

Should have kept both operational at the same time. Need Kabul for the commercial flights.
I get it that more troops would be needed to protect both airports. But for another month or three, so what?

Random thought: If the Taliban wanted to really fuck with us, you would think they would cut power to the airport and shut down cell towers. Maybe that is coming, but until they do, there is hope to get through this mess better than where we are at now.

[SeattleGriz]

Think it's pretty clear now that Biden has been trying to blame Trump for his ineptitude. Remember how Trump gave him no plan on vaccination roll out...even though millions had already been vaccinated by the time Joe took office?

[UNI88]

The "blood on our hands" narrative is a tad dramatic. NOBODY who voted for Biden thought a colossal screw up like this was going to occur. Biden voters aren't complicit just because they voted in October. Biden is. His advisors and such that failed to either heed the warnings or act decisively have the blood on their hands. Do Clinton voters have blood on their hands b/c Bill failed to take out OBL when he had the chance prior to 9/11? Do Nixon voters have blood on their hands for his perpetuation of the Vietnam War while at the same time trying to end it? Or how about his crimes? Are Trump voters complicit in his Big Lie and attack on our Democracy? My point is - is we vote for people and just b/c they royally fuck up like Biden, it doesn't mean we're Lady MacBeth.

Personally - I'm not embarrassed I voted for Biden. The alternative was a man who has zero morale compass and isn't a Conservative or Republican and is just a hateful, petty, petulant man-child. I'm angry with Biden. I'm frustrated with Biden and he's lost my support. Once again...jilted by a politician and for that I am embarrassed.

I agree. When we all vote we make the best judgement call with the information at hand and cast our ballot. Now we all have different criteria and weigh things differently so while one person says this is a negative, somebody else will say it is a positive.

I do not think Trump would of done better (I know he couldn't of done worse) but for 4 years it was beat into Trump voters that because one voted for him, you were a Nazi, redneck, bigot, racist, etc. because Trump was perceived to act that way. I see some of the response in this tread doing the same to Biden votes and while dishing up some schadenfreude is fun in the short term, it only hurts everybody long term.

The verbal escalation and usage of terms outside of their intended definition to give the user more perceived power or higher ground is the problem. Calling people names that are obviously false (Nazi for example) just because they voted for a person or agree partially with how somebody handled a situation or because they disagree with what the speaker believes in, just leads to the desensitization and loss of meaning for words that should be using sparingly and in the correct context. It also leads people to ignore their use and the speaker that is using them. Thereby invoking harsher language by the speaker to try and drum up more emotional support for their cause.

Well said!

[AZGrizFan]

I agree. When we all vote we make the best judgement call with the information at hand and cast our ballot. Now we all have different criteria and weigh things differently so while one person says this is a negative, somebody else will say it is a positive.

I do not think Trump would of done better (I know he couldn't of done worse) but for 4 years it was beat into Trump voters that because one voted for him, you were a Nazi, redneck, bigot, racist, etc. because Trump was perceived to act that way. I see some of the response in this tread doing the same to Biden votes and while dishing up some schadenfreude is fun in the short term, it only hurts everybody long term.

The verbal escalation and usage of terms outside of their intended definition to give the user more perceived power or higher ground is the problem. Calling people names that are obviously false (Nazi for example) just because they voted for a person or agree partially with how somebody handled a situation or because they disagree with what the speaker believes in, just leads to the desensitization and loss of meaning for words that should be using sparingly and in the correct context. It also leads people to ignore their use and the speaker that is using them. Thereby invoking harsher language by the speaker to try and drum up more emotional support for their cause.

Well said!

I disagree. Anybody who voted for Biden most certainly was NOT “using the information they had at hand”. In the immortal words of a former AZ Cardinals HC, “He is who we thought he was!” If you didn’t know that this was EXACTLY what you were going to get, then you probably were not paying attention.

[andy7171]

I agree. When we all vote we make the best judgement call with the information at hand and cast our ballot. Now we all have different criteria and weigh things differently so while one person says this is a negative, somebody else will say it is a positive.

I do not think Trump would of done better (I know he couldn't of done worse) but for 4 years it was beat into Trump voters that because one voted for him, you were a Nazi, redneck, bigot, racist, etc. because Trump was perceived to act that way. I see some of the response in this tread doing the same to Biden votes and while dishing up some schadenfreude is fun in the short term, it only hurts everybody long term.

The verbal escalation and usage of terms outside of their intended definition to give the user more perceived power or higher ground is the problem. Calling people names that are obviously false (Nazi for example) just because they voted for a person or agree partially with how somebody handled a situation or because they disagree with what the speaker believes in, just leads to the desensitization and loss of meaning for words that should be using sparingly and in the correct context. It also leads people to ignore their use and the speaker that is using them. Thereby invoking harsher language by the speaker to try and drum up more emotional support for their cause.

Why not? Virtually any conk or donk could have done better. Trump was batting 1000% with the ME. All that would have had to be done to do better would be to have a plan, of which there clearly was none, and get our people out and Afghan allies before pulling out completely. That right there, while still a 20 yr waste, thousands of lives, several trillion $$, would have made it WAY better.

Biden's plan in to reverse course on everything Trump did. Its how he won. He wasn't Biden, he was Not Trump. Therefore, Not Trump is the plan to everything.

[SuperHornet]

Why not? Virtually any conk or donk could have done better. Trump was batting 1000% with the ME. All that would have had to be done to do better would be to have a plan, of which there clearly was none, and get our people out and Afghan allies before pulling out completely. That right there, while still a 20 yr waste, thousands of lives, several trillion $$, would have made it WAY better.

Biden's plan in to reverse course on everything Trump did. Its how he won. He wasn't Biden, he was Not Trump. Therefore, Not Trump is the plan to everything.

That's a major problem. A rather large part of Trump's platform was to be the Anti-Obama. It didn't work out all that well, largely because all the Obama supporters (those who would have voted for Obama had the term limit been removed as one Democratic Rep, from PA I think, has tried to do since the Reagan Administration, and Obama actually sought re-election) became entrenched against him. The same dynamic is happening in reverse. While having a majority will help Biden, it will be much harder for him given that he's playing Not Trump rather than himself. He'd have a much easier time trying to be himself, IMO.

(That said, there's no guarantee Obama would have sought a third term had the limit been removed. His supporters would have wanted to declare him President For Life by fiat, but I think if you look at pictures of him at the end of his Presidency and compared them to pictures of him at the start, you'd see that he was about done with all the abuse. And who could blame him? We on the Right cr@pped on him in the extreme. There was a lot of wisdom in President Washington's example of the two-term-only President. Roosevelt going for the fourth term was probably needed given the extreme problems of the time (the Depression, WWII, etc.), but the pressures of a fourth term were probably a key factor in his early death, over and above the polio. I could easily see Obama taking a back seat in 2012 even had the term limit being removed, for that reason alone. And I believe that, the whining of Obama's cronies about Bush II aside, what success Obama had came from Obama being himself. While I don't like a lot of his positions, I can admire him for the dignity in which he held himself in office, something Trump's ego wouldn't allow for himself. OK. Enough SH rambling....)

[GannonFan]

Biden's plan in to reverse course on everything Trump did. Its how he won. He wasn't Biden, he was Not Trump. Therefore, Not Trump is the plan to everything.

That's a major problem. A rather large part of Trump's platform was to be the Anti-Obama. It didn't work out all that well, largely because all the Obama supporters (those who would have voted for Obama had the term limit been removed as one Democratic Rep, from PA I think, has tried to do since the Reagan Administration, and Obama actually sought re-election) became entrenched against him. The same dynamic is happening in reverse. While having a majority will help Biden, it will be much harder for him given that he's playing Not Trump rather than himself. He'd have a much easier time trying to be himself, IMO.

(That said, there's no guarantee Obama would have sought a third term had the limit been removed. His supporters would have wanted to declare him President For Life by fiat, but I think if you look at pictures of him at the end of his Presidency and compared them to pictures of him at the start, you'd see that he was about done with all the abuse. And who could blame him? We on the Right cr@pped on him in the extreme. There was a lot of wisdom in President Washington's example of the two-term-only President. Roosevelt going for the fourth term was probably needed given the extreme problems of the time (the Depression, WWII, etc.), but the pressures of a fourth term were probably a key factor in his early death, over and above the polio. I could easily see Obama taking a back seat in 2012 even had the term limit being removed, for that reason alone. And I believe that, the whining of Obama's cronies about Bush II aside, what success Obama had came from Obama being himself. While I don't like a lot of his positions, I can admire him for the dignity in which he held himself in office, something Trump's ego wouldn't allow for himself. OK. Enough SH rambling....)

Why did you waste all that typing on the possibility of a third Presidential term? It would need another constitutional amendment and there's no way someone is passing an amendment like that anytime soon.

[CID1990]

Props for acknowledging this. Lots of Biden* voters I know in person (and some on here) just stick to the "but Trump" spin as a weak as way to deflect their responsibility from the bloodshed that is sure to happen over there.

The "blood on our hands" narrative is a tad dramatic. NOBODY who voted for Biden thought a colossal screw up like this was going to occur. Biden voters aren't complicit just because they voted in October. Biden is. His advisors and such that failed to either heed the warnings or act decisively have the blood on their hands. Do Clinton voters have blood on their hands b/c Bill failed to take out OBL when he had the chance prior to 9/11? Do Nixon voters have blood on their hands for his perpetuation of the Vietnam War while at the same time trying to end it? Or how about his crimes? Are Trump voters complicit in his Big Lie and attack on our Democracy? My point is - is we vote for people and just b/c they royally fuck up like Biden, it doesn't mean we're Lady MacBeth.

Personally - I'm not embarrassed I voted for Biden. The alternative was a man who has zero morale compass and isn't a Conservative or Republican and is just a hateful, petty, petulant man-child. I'm angry with Biden. I'm frustrated with Biden and he's lost my support. Once again...jilted by a politician and for that I am embarrassed.

It wasn’t like the writing wasn’t on the wall

Former secdef Gates wrote in his memoir about everyone he worked for

He had praise and criticisms for everyone - Clinton, Obama - all had their strengths and upsides

Except Biden. He said Biden was on the wrong side of every foreign policy decision of the last 40 years. He is notoriously indecisive and political decisions are ruled by optics more than anything else. He was the only voice arguing against the Bin Laden raid. His obsession with optics is why he won’t do anything about the southern border and why no cameras are allowed near where people are being held.

^^^ all of these things are well known about Biden. He been on record for more than 40 years and his body of work is a matter of fact not speculation


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[SDHornet]

Now Harris is taking a trip to Vietman? You‘ve got to be kidding me..

Rumors are there is some serious in-fighting between Biden* and Harris.

[SDHornet]

Props for acknowledging this. Lots of Biden* voters I know in person (and some on here) just stick to the "but Trump" spin as a weak as way to deflect their responsibility from the bloodshed that is sure to happen over there.

The "blood on our hands" narrative is a tad dramatic. NOBODY who voted for Biden thought a colossal screw up like this was going to occur. Biden voters aren't complicit just because they voted in October. Biden is. His advisors and such that failed to either heed the warnings or act decisively have the blood on their hands. Do Clinton voters have blood on their hands b/c Bill failed to take out OBL when he had the chance prior to 9/11? Do Nixon voters have blood on their hands for his perpetuation of the Vietnam War while at the same time trying to end it? Or how about his crimes? Are Trump voters complicit in his Big Lie and attack on our Democracy? My point is - is we vote for people and just b/c they royally fuck up like Biden, it doesn't mean we're Lady MacBeth.

Personally - I'm not embarrassed I voted for Biden. The alternative was a man who has zero morale compass and isn't a Conservative or Republican and is just a hateful, petty, petulant man-child. I'm angry with Biden. I'm frustrated with Biden and he's lost my support. Once again...jilted by a politician and for that I am embarrassed.

You mean no one that didn't bother to look at Bidens* track record of failure on foreign policy coupled with the "reverse everything Orange Man did because Orange Man Bad" narratives from the Left. And that doesn't even add in the dementia aspect. Sorry, anyone with a brain new Biden* was going to be a disaster.

Biden* voters and supporters own this.

[Ibanez]

1 airport, Bagram, apparently 25 miles outside of Kabul, 3 runways, easily defendable.

1 airport in the middle of a city of 4 1/2 million, 1 runway, surrounded by mountains, not easily defendable.

Why in the heck abandon Bagatam before Kabul? Why not make Bagram the LAST thing to be abandoned? Get all your people and Afghan allies out, gather/consolidate/destroy a bunch of equpment left behind, and the last one out turn out the lights (or hit the detonate switch).

Am I missing something?

You aren't missing anything.

[SDHornet]

The "blood on our hands" narrative is a tad dramatic. NOBODY who voted for Biden thought a colossal screw up like this was going to occur. Biden voters aren't complicit just because they voted in October. Biden is. His advisors and such that failed to either heed the warnings or act decisively have the blood on their hands. Do Clinton voters have blood on their hands b/c Bill failed to take out OBL when he had the chance prior to 9/11? Do Nixon voters have blood on their hands for his perpetuation of the Vietnam War while at the same time trying to end it? Or how about his crimes? Are Trump voters complicit in his Big Lie and attack on our Democracy? My point is - is we vote for people and just b/c they royally fuck up like Biden, it doesn't mean we're Lady MacBeth.

Personally - I'm not embarrassed I voted for Biden. The alternative was a man who has zero morale compass and isn't a Conservative or Republican and is just a hateful, petty, petulant man-child. I'm angry with Biden. I'm frustrated with Biden and he's lost my support. Once again...jilted by a politician and for that I am embarrassed.

Lol. No. But EVERYBODY who DIDN’T vote for Biden knew it. He’s got a 50+ year track record, bro. It ain’t rocket science.

Exactly.

[SDHornet]

I voted for Biden expecting him to be………………………….Biden.

And I’d vote for him over Trump again.

Quality work here, and spot on. Leftists not learning from their mistakes is so Leftist.

[SuperHornet]

That's a major problem. A rather large part of Trump's platform was to be the Anti-Obama. It didn't work out all that well, largely because all the Obama supporters (those who would have voted for Obama had the term limit been removed as one Democratic Rep, from PA I think, has tried to do since the Reagan Administration, and Obama actually sought re-election) became entrenched against him. The same dynamic is happening in reverse. While having a majority will help Biden, it will be much harder for him given that he's playing Not Trump rather than himself. He'd have a much easier time trying to be himself, IMO.

(That said, there's no guarantee Obama would have sought a third term had the limit been removed. His supporters would have wanted to declare him President For Life by fiat, but I think if you look at pictures of him at the end of his Presidency and compared them to pictures of him at the start, you'd see that he was about done with all the abuse. And who could blame him? We on the Right cr@pped on him in the extreme. There was a lot of wisdom in President Washington's example of the two-term-only President. Roosevelt going for the fourth term was probably needed given the extreme problems of the time (the Depression, WWII, etc.), but the pressures of a fourth term were probably a key factor in his early death, over and above the polio. I could easily see Obama taking a back seat in 2012 even had the term limit being removed, for that reason alone. And I believe that, the whining of Obama's cronies about Bush II aside, what success Obama had came from Obama being himself. While I don't like a lot of his positions, I can admire him for the dignity in which he held himself in office, something Trump's ego wouldn't allow for himself. OK. Enough SH rambling....)

Why did you waste all that typing on the possibility of a third Presidential term? It would need another constitutional amendment and there's no way someone is passing an amendment like that anytime soon.

You're right. But that one dude is STILL trying to pass it...REGARDLESS of who's in the White House. One major reason that it's failed all this time is that most people realize that the pressures of the job aren't worth subjecting oneself to it more than twice.

[Ibanez]

The "blood on our hands" narrative is a tad dramatic. NOBODY who voted for Biden thought a colossal screw up like this was going to occur. Biden voters aren't complicit just because they voted in October. Biden is. His advisors and such that failed to either heed the warnings or act decisively have the blood on their hands. Do Clinton voters have blood on their hands b/c Bill failed to take out OBL when he had the chance prior to 9/11? Do Nixon voters have blood on their hands for his perpetuation of the Vietnam War while at the same time trying to end it? Or how about his crimes? Are Trump voters complicit in his Big Lie and attack on our Democracy? My point is - is we vote for people and just b/c they royally fuck up like Biden, it doesn't mean we're Lady MacBeth.

Personally - I'm not embarrassed I voted for Biden. The alternative was a man who has zero morale compass and isn't a Conservative or Republican and is just a hateful, petty, petulant man-child. I'm angry with Biden. I'm frustrated with Biden and he's lost my support. Once again...jilted by a politician and for that I am embarrassed.

You mean no one that didn't bother to look at Bidens* track record of failure on foreign policy coupled with the "reverse everything Orange Man did because Orange Man Bad" narratives from the Left. And that doesn't even add in the dementia aspect. Sorry, anyone with a brain new Biden* was going to be a disaster.

Biden* voters and supporters own this.

I figured Biden couldn't be any worse than Trump and would be ineffectual and a 1-term POTUS. Clearly I was wrong.

[Ibanez]

Now Harris is taking a trip to Vietman? You‘ve got to be kidding me..

Rumors are there is some serious in-fighting between Biden* and Harris.

Fo' real? Who is choosing weapons? Weehawken at dawn?

[SDHornet]

Why not. Trump was batting 1000% with the ME. All he would have had to do to do better would be to get our people out and Afghan allies before pulling out completely. That right there, while still a 20 yr waste, thousands of lives, several trillion $$, would have made it WAY better.

Trump has some of the same personality flaws that Biden does. Both have to be the smartest person in the room and tends to do what is best for themselves first.

I could easily be wrong as he did let others handle the ME and he might of done the same here. And yes, Biden set the bar very low for being better.

Would Trump have over-ridden/ignored the intel reports indicating that the "blitzkrieg" that was waiting in the wings and proceeded without change anyways? Also given his track record of "deals", does admin close Bagram given that it's closure was dependent on the Taliban living up so some of its agreement?

Monday morning QBing here but Trumps track record in the ME doesn't lead any sane person to believe the same clusterfuck that is unfolding now under Biden* would have happened under Trump.

[SDHornet]

1 airport, Bagram, apparently 25 miles outside of Kabul, 3 runways, easily defendable.

1 airport in the middle of a city of 4 1/2 million, 1 runway, surrounded by mountains, not easily defendable.

Why in the heck abandon Bagatam before Kabul? Why not make Bagram the LAST thing to be abandoned? Get all your people and Afghan allies out, gather/consolidate/destroy a bunch of equpment left behind, and the last one out turn out the lights (or hit the detonate switch).

Am I missing something?

Should have kept both operational at the same time. Need Kabul for the commercial flights.
I get it that more troops would be needed to protect both airports. But for another month or three, so what?

Random thought: If the Taliban wanted to really fuck with us, you would think they would cut power to the airport and shut down cell towers. Maybe that is coming, but until they do, there is hope to get through this mess better than where we are at now.

From what I've read, the closure on Bagram was dependent on the Taliban living up to their end of the deal. They did not and Bagram was closed anyways.

[Ibanez]

Trump has some of the same personality flaws that Biden does. Both have to be the smartest person in the room and tends to do what is best for themselves first.

I could easily be wrong as he did let others handle the ME and he might of done the same here. And yes, Biden set the bar very low for being better.

Would Trump have over-ridden/ignored the intel reports indicating that the "blitzkrieg" that was waiting in the wings and proceeded without change anyways? Also given his track record of "deals", does admin close Bagram given that it's closure was dependent on the Taliban living up so some of its agreement?

Monday morning QBing here but Trumps track record in the ME doesn't lead any sane person to believe the same clusterfuck that is unfolding now under Biden* would have happened under Trump.

Looking at the last 4 years - Trump would have over-ridden the experts and reports. He's on record distrusting the Intel community. Why would he believe them? He was praising the Taliban about how they're going to fight the terrorists for us.