anybody wanna tackle this?

[native]

I'm 47 and I think it happens in my lifetime.

Z, you caused all this **** with your **** unwavering support of free market capitalism and greed. Typical shithead conk - one who creates the mess to despise it.

Conks did not force anyone to become pregnant.

...Nor should anyone who takes care of their business be required to sacrifice for lazy selfish dumbasses.

[89Hen]

Donks wanna throw em a bone to give them a chance, but really to keep them under control

Why even bring up the first point?

[Baldy]

I'm 47 and I think it happens in my lifetime.

Z, you caused all this **** with your **** unwavering support of free market capitalism and greed. Typical shithead conk - one who creates the mess to despise it.

Just a couple of questions, J.

Can you name me just one society that doesn't (for lack of a better term) run off "greed". Oh and BTW, it's always the other guy who is the greedy one, not me.

If you have a better idea, please let us know, but is there a society in human history which has done more to lift the ordinary man out of grinding poverty than a free market capitalistic society?
On top of that, look around and research...the people in the world who have been the worst off over the past 100+ years are the societies who depart from that philosophy.

[AZGrizFan]

I'm 47 and I think it happens in my lifetime.

Z, you caused all this shit with your fucking unwavering support of free market capitalism and greed. Typical shithead conk - one who creates the mess to despise it.

You're fuckin' hopeless.

[death dealer]

Mark my words, a nuclear warhead will be detonated in a large metropolitan area within the U.S. in the next 10 years. It isn't a matter of whether or not, but when and where. That will be the tipping point.

[D1B]

Z, you caused all this **** with your **** unwavering support of free market capitalism and greed. Typical shithead conk - one who creates the mess to despise it.

Just a couple of questions, J.

Can you name me just one society that doesn't (for lack of a better term) run off "greed". Oh and BTW, it's always the other guy who is the greedy one, not me.

If you have a better idea, please let us know, but is there a society in human history which has done more to lift the ordinary man out of grinding poverty than a free market capitalistic society?
On top of that, look around and research...the people in the world who have been the worst off over the past 100+ years are the societies who depart from that philosophy.

Agree to a point Baldy, but America has not practiced "free market capitalism" since the turn of the century. And, if you do your research you'll find those days and before to be especially horrible for a majority of us, just ask the slaves. Also, just because the poor cannot be seen, doesnt' mean FMC doesnt create masses of poor, it has, just not in our back yard and front porch till now. FMC nations, led by the United States have built their empires on the backs of the poor and exploited since day one - black slaves, white indentured servants, asian child labor across the globe, chinese railroad slaves, third world nations, poor middle east/oil rich nations, women, children during the industrial revolution........ It's only been in the last 50 or 60 years (were we have a hybrid government/economic system) that we've seen the rise of a middle class and an increase in the quality of life for more than just the wealthy.

FMC had many good qualities, but it also has limits. We're rapidly approaching the point where it's consuming itself and collapsing. As DD and I have mentioned, we're seeing this happen right before our eyes.

[SDHornet]

This is more an Atlanta problem than a national one. Atlanta has just had too many dumb, incompetent donk mayors over the years and it's just starting to bite us in the ***. On top of all of this, the city's infrastructure is crumbling, the police force needs to be expanded, the water and sewage system needs some tweaking, and the city just doesn't have the money to do those things. Before long the city leaders will raise taxes, and out will come a lot of corporations and businesses that are based in Atlanta, and the state of Georgia will be in deep sh^t.

Atlanta could be on the road to being the next Detroit, it's problems are bigger than just the recession.

Where have I seen this....oh yeah, pretty much everywhere he in CA.
Thank God we have two of the most competent people in the state running for governor this fall.

[AZGrizFan]

Just a couple of questions, J.

Can you name me just one society that doesn't (for lack of a better term) run off "greed". Oh and BTW, it's always the other guy who is the greedy one, not me.

If you have a better idea, please let us know, but is there a society in human history which has done more to lift the ordinary man out of grinding poverty than a free market capitalistic society?
On top of that, look around and research...the people in the world who have been the worst off over the past 100+ years are the societies who depart from that philosophy.

Agree to a point Baldy, but America has not practiced "free market capitalism" since the turn of the century. And, if you do your research you'll find those days and before to be especially horrible for a majority of us, just ask the slaves. Also, just because the poor cannot be seen, doesnt' mean FMC doesnt create masses of poor, it has, just not in our back yard and front porch till now. FMC nations, led by the United States have built their empires on the backs of the poor and exploited since day one - black slaves, white indentured servants, asian child labor across the globe, chinese railroad slaves, third world nations, poor middle east/oil rich nations, women, children during the industrial revolution........ It's only been in the last 50 or 60 years (were we have a hybrid government/economic system) that we've seen the rise of a middle class and an increase in the quality of life for more than just the wealthy.

FMC had many good qualities, but it also has limits. We're rapidly approaching the point where it's consuming itself and collapsing. As DD and I have mentioned, we're seeing this happen right before our eyes.

So if we (in your opinion) haven't truly practiced FMC since the turn of the century, and it's the practice of FMC that creates masses of poor and exploited....how do we still have poor in this country? Our government has pumped over $100 billion and counting into a "war on poverty" and our poverty level remains virtually unchanged. Some people will always be poor. Period. No amount of money, hand wringing or guilt trips will change that.

[D1B]

Agree to a point Baldy, but America has not practiced "free market capitalism" since the turn of the century. And, if you do your research you'll find those days and before to be especially horrible for a majority of us, just ask the slaves. Also, just because the poor cannot be seen, doesnt' mean FMC doesnt create masses of poor, it has, just not in our back yard and front porch till now. FMC nations, led by the United States have built their empires on the backs of the poor and exploited since day one - black slaves, white indentured servants, asian child labor across the globe, chinese railroad slaves, third world nations, poor middle east/oil rich nations, women, children during the industrial revolution........ It's only been in the last 50 or 60 years (were we have a hybrid government/economic system) that we've seen the rise of a middle class and an increase in the quality of life for more than just the wealthy.

FMC had many good qualities, but it also has limits. We're rapidly approaching the point where it's consuming itself and collapsing. As DD and I have mentioned, we're seeing this happen right before our eyes.

So if we (in your opinion) haven't truly practiced FMC since the turn of the century, and it's the practice of FMC that creates masses of poor and exploited....how do we still have poor in this country? Our government has pumped over $100 billion and counting into a "war on poverty" and our poverty level remains virtually unchanged. Some people will always be poor. Period. No amount of money, hand wringing or guilt trips will change that.

Yeah, some people will always be poor Z. Why do you have to treat them like shit, you fucking asshole?


SMFH at Z and all the other heartless fucks, many of whom claim they are christian.

[houndawg]

Agree to a point Baldy, but America has not practiced "free market capitalism" since the turn of the century. And, if you do your research you'll find those days and before to be especially horrible for a majority of us, just ask the slaves. Also, just because the poor cannot be seen, doesnt' mean FMC doesnt create masses of poor, it has, just not in our back yard and front porch till now. FMC nations, led by the United States have built their empires on the backs of the poor and exploited since day one - black slaves, white indentured servants, asian child labor across the globe, chinese railroad slaves, third world nations, poor middle east/oil rich nations, women, children during the industrial revolution........ It's only been in the last 50 or 60 years (were we have a hybrid government/economic system) that we've seen the rise of a middle class and an increase in the quality of life for more than just the wealthy.

FMC had many good qualities, but it also has limits. We're rapidly approaching the point where it's consuming itself and collapsing. As DD and I have mentioned, we're seeing this happen right before our eyes.

So if we (in your opinion) haven't truly practiced FMC since the turn of the century, and it's the practice of FMC that creates masses of poor and exploited....how do we still have poor in this country? Our government has pumped over $100 billion and counting into a "war on poverty" and our poverty level remains virtually unchanged. Some people will always be poor. Period. No amount of money, hand wringing or guilt trips will change that.

Strikingly similar to the "war on drugs" and the "war on terror".

[AZGrizFan]

So if we (in your opinion) haven't truly practiced FMC since the turn of the century, and it's the practice of FMC that creates masses of poor and exploited....how do we still have poor in this country? Our government has pumped over $100 billion and counting into a "war on poverty" and our poverty level remains virtually unchanged. Some people will always be poor. Period. No amount of money, hand wringing or guilt trips will change that.

Yeah, some people will always be poor Z. Why do you have to treat them like shit, you fucking asshole?


SMFH at Z and all the other heartless fucks, many of whom claim they are christian.

That's right, myron. SMFH at ANYONE who has the audacity to shoot big fat bloody holes in your ridiculous argument. You argue yourself into a circle, then come out with guns ablazin' when someone points it out.

You really ARE beyond help.

[AZGrizFan]

So if we (in your opinion) haven't truly practiced FMC since the turn of the century, and it's the practice of FMC that creates masses of poor and exploited....how do we still have poor in this country? Our government has pumped over $100 billion and counting into a "war on poverty" and our poverty level remains virtually unchanged. Some people will always be poor. Period. No amount of money, hand wringing or guilt trips will change that.

Strikingly similar to the "war on drugs" and the "war on terror".

I couldn't agree more. About 4 well-placed tactical nukes would solve both problems and bring the troops home.

[D1B]

Yeah, some people will always be poor Z. Why do you have to treat them like shit, you fucking asshole?


SMFH at Z and all the other heartless fucks, many of whom claim they are christian.

That's right, myron. SMFH at ANYONE who has the audacity to shoot big fat bloody holes in your ridiculous argument. You argue yourself into a circle, then come out with guns ablazin' when someone points it out.

You really ARE beyond help.

Shoot holes in what Z? Circular what? You've been owned here since your first stupid post. MOF, YOU gave me the greatest gift - ammo for your defeat with "someone will always be poor"

Using this, I exposed you as the greedy, heartless fuck who will kill a village of poor people in a heartbeat to save a dime. Your blind hatred of the poor is stunning and certainly doesn't reflect well on you as a human.

Sorry you're upset that I exposed you, but it's the first step to recovery - admitting you have a problem.

[AZGrizFan]

That's right, myron. SMFH at ANYONE who has the audacity to shoot big fat bloody holes in your ridiculous argument. You argue yourself into a circle, then come out with guns ablazin' when someone points it out.

You really ARE beyond help.

Shoot holes in what Z? Circular what? You've been owned here since your first stupid post. MOF, YOU gave me the greatest gift - ammo for your defeat with "someone will always be poor"

Using this, I exposed you as the greedy, heartless fuck who will kill a village of poor people in a heartbeat to save a dime. Your blind hatred of the poor is stunning and certainly doesn't reflect well on you as a human.

Sorry you're upset that I exposed you, but it's the first step to recovery - admitting you have a problem.

Classic D off his meds.

[D1B]

Shoot holes in what Z? Circular what? You've been owned here since your first stupid post. MOF, YOU gave me the greatest gift - ammo for your defeat with "someone will always be poor"

Using this, I exposed you as the greedy, heartless fuck who will kill a village of poor people in a heartbeat to save a dime. Your blind hatred of the poor is stunning and certainly doesn't reflect well on you as a human.

Sorry you're upset that I exposed you, but it's the first step to recovery - admitting you have a problem.

Classic D off his meds.

Whatever makes you feel better. I thank you though for your "always be poor" comment. It's absolutely true. That being said, what do we do Z? Your (conk) solution is to kill them. My (donk) solution is to make a reasonable effort to help them.

That you don't understand that YOUR quality of life ultimately requires that many live in poverty is absolutely amazing! Yeah, you're a real smart guy Z!

[AZGrizFan]

Classic D off his meds.

Whatever makes you feel better. I thank you though for your "always be poor" comment. It's absolutely true. That being said, what do we do Z? Your (conk) solution is to kill them. My (donk) solution is to make a reasonable effort to help them.

That you don't understand that YOUR quality of life ultimately requires that many live in poverty is absolutely amazing! Yeah, you're a real smart guy Z!

....and you wonder why you have zero credibility.

[D1B]

Whatever makes you feel better. I thank you though for your "always be poor" comment. It's absolutely true. That being said, what do we do Z? Your (conk) solution is to kill them. My (donk) solution is to make a reasonable effort to help them.

That you don't understand that YOUR quality of life ultimately requires that many live in poverty is absolutely amazing! Yeah, you're a real smart guy Z!

....and you wonder why you have zero credibility.

Really? I'm the most read and most respected poster here. Sorry that burns you.

Z, that's exactly where your chosen party ultimately wants to do with them - they are simply doing it slowly by putting them in prison, reducing their opportunities and lowering their quality of life.

The life expectancy of someone in poverty is much lower than yours.

[AZGrizFan]

....and you wonder why you have zero credibility.

Really? I'm the most read and most respected poster here. Sorry that burns you.

Yeah, in a catamount man sort of way.

[D1B]

Really? I'm the most read and most respected poster here. Sorry that burns you.

Yeah, in a catamount man sort of way.

Z, um, do understand the concept that a quality of life such as yours requires poverty?

[AZGrizFan]

Yeah, in a catamount man sort of way.

Z, um, do understand the concept that a quality of life such as yours requires poverty?

You and I are in the same category there, bud.

[native]

Really? I'm the most read and most respected poster here. Sorry that burns you.

Yeah, in a catamount man sort of way.

"Respected?" No.

Entertaining? No.

The multiple personalities of Catamount Man are more entertaining.

The irrational exuberance and unpredictablility of cleets is more entertaining.

Appaholic's provocative shots across the bow are more entertaining.

[D1B]

Z, um, do understand the concept that a quality of life such as yours requires poverty?

You and I are in the same category there, bud.

Agree, but I'm concerned. I'm also willing to sacrifice in order to make things better. I also expect my elected leaders to share my concern and make efforts to ensure everyone has access to basic needs and opportunities.

Z - it's the cost of doing business.

[D1B]

Yeah, in a catamount man sort of way.

"Respected?" No.

Entertaining? No.

The multiple personalities of Catamount Man are more entertaining.

The irrational exuberance and unpredictablility of cleets is more entertaining.

Appaholic's provocative shots across the bow are more entertaining.

You can kiss my ass you homophobic, homicidal mormon whackjob conk piece of shit. Ididn't even realize you were still posting here. Why don't you scurry on out of here and shoot some mexicans and niggers, and let Z and I continue our profound discussion on poverty.

[AZGrizFan]

You and I are in the same category there, bud.

Agree, but I'm concerned. I'm also willing to sacrifice in order to make things better. I also expect my elected leaders to share my concern and make efforts to ensure everyone has access to basic needs and opportunities.
Z - it's the cost of doing business.

And what has that mindset accomplished since 1967? The expensing of $100 BILLION on a declaration of a "war on poverty" has accomplished absolutely ZIP. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. After 50+ years of dumping money down a black hole, it's time to admit that the leaders "efforts" are misguided, at best, and enabling at worst.

[D1B]

Agree, but I'm concerned. I'm also willing to sacrifice in order to make things better. I also expect my elected leaders to share my concern and make efforts to ensure everyone has access to basic needs and opportunities.
Z - it's the cost of doing business.

And what has that mindset accomplished since 1967? The expensing of $100 BILLION on a declaration of a "war on poverty" has accomplished absolutely ZIP. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. After 50+ years of dumping money down a black hole, it's time to admit that the leaders "efforts" are misguided, at best, and enabling at worst.

Fair enough. So do we quit trying?

How the fuck can we get anything done with people like you and Native screaming bloody murder at the mere mention of anti-poverty initiative?

See Z, YOU are the problem. Why don't you understand this?