Wheres the Republican alternative to ACA?

[CAA Flagship]

Question: Has Obamacare negatively impacted more Americans than it has positively impacted? And I'm not just talking about healthcare. I'm talking about all that Obamacare has impacted.

I would say positive - but something that is hard to quantify. Giving someone with a pre-existing condition, and
now can get insurance/medical care and thus a better life is a positive. Increasing the premiums on their neighbor would be a negative. But how much more should the life of the person saved be against the added expense to the neighbor?

Sure. But you just described healthcare alone. What about the impact on those that could not hold a full-time job, or a job at all, because of the impact Obamacare had on companies? I agree that it's all very hard to quantify, but there are a lot of people's lives that were impacted negatively because of Obamacare, aside from direct healthcare-related issues. That's a real issue that affects the most important, universal, concern this country has always faced (JOBS).

There is no easy solution to this. The Donks gave out freebies and there is no way to take it away now. And with that, there is no way to make 100% of the population happy. It's now a matter of getting the best bang for the taxpayer's buck. And there will never be a consensus on the best approach.

[CAA Flagship]

I would say positive - but something that is hard to quantify. Giving someone with a pre-existing condition, and
now can get insurance/medical care and thus a better life is a positive. Increasing the premiums on their neighbor would be a negative. But how much more should the life of the person saved be against the added expense to the neighbor?

Allowing pre existing conditions is the right, moral thing to do. The essential health benefits( whatever it's called) I'm all for. But there's plenty in the ACA that should be reworked. But our shitty congressmen and women won't fix it. They don't want to fix it.


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If they do fix it, they should then tackle auto-insurance to lower premiums for teen drivers or drivers with a record of speeding tickets and/or accidents.
Then the credit industry to provide reasonable loan rates for those with poor credit scores.
Then hand out participation trophies for the Western Carolina football team each year.

[Skjellyfetti]

If they do fix it, they should then tackle auto-insurance to lower premiums for teen drivers or drivers with a record of speeding tickets and/or accidents.

It's not comparable.

Health insurance shouldn't be a privilege or a luxury. Driving (especially for a teen) is.

And, to me comparing speeding tickets to health is like smoking / alcoholism / self-induced obesity, etc. If you smoke, I have no problem with you being charged a much higher rate. If you are diagnosed with prostate cancer... through no fault of your own... it's not exactly comparable to a speeding ticket or an accident.

[CAA Flagship]

If they do fix it, they should then tackle auto-insurance to lower premiums for teen drivers or drivers with a record of speeding tickets and/or accidents.

It's not comparable.

Health insurance shouldn't be a privilege or a luxury. Driving (especially for a teen) is.

And, to me comparing speeding tickets to health is like smoking / alcoholism / self-induced obesity, etc. If you smoke, I have no problem with you being charged a much higher rate. If you are diagnosed with prostate cancer... through no fault of your own... it's not exactly comparable to a speeding ticket or an accident.

I'm not in total disagreement with you, but where does it end? Should potable water be free? Can you make the case that sewer cost should be free because without it it would be a health hazard? What about public transportation?

[dbackjon]

This new plan, which is not a plan, but a giveaway to the wealthy, is far, far worse.


And yes, Obamacare has insured millions, allowed those with pre-existing coverage to get it, eliminated caps on coverage, and many other positives.


It is only negative if you enjoy your fellow Americans dying and going bankrupt due to lack of affordable healthcare.

Does it need to be expanded? Yup. But far better than what was before, and far better than the shit the GOP just passed without knowing what they were voting for.

Rising premiums isn't a negative? Increasing administrative costs isn't a negative? People not being able to maintain providers that they know and trust isn't a negative?

Also, your last sentence is laughable. Have you forgotten what Pelosi said? We have to pass it to find out what's in it? Cmon, Jon. Don't be so partisan. It's ugly on everyone.
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Well, you have, and the rest of you that don't do research...

Pelosi: People won’t appreciate reform until it passes

Speaker Nancy Pelosi said Tuesday that people won’t appreciate how great the Democrat’s health plan is until after it passes.

“You’ve heard about the controversies, the process about the bill…but I don’t know if you’ve heard that it is legislation for the future – not just about health care for America, but about a healthier America,” she told the National Association of Counties annual legislative conference, which has drawn about 2,000 local officials to Washington. “But we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it – away from the fog of the controversy.”

During a 20-minute speech, she touted benefits she thinks will be tangible to the audience’s employers. She said there’s support for public health infrastructure and investments in community health centers that will reduce uncompensated care that hospitals now need to deliver.

“You know as well as anyone that our current system is unsustainable,” said Pelosi (D-Calif.). “The final health care legislation, which will soon be passed by the Congress, will deliver successful reforms at the local level.”
Almost immediately, though, the conservative media seized on the quote, and perverted it into an indictment of the law’s complexity. The meaning that was so perfectly plain to an objective reporter on that day has been completely lost.

So, no, she NEVER said we have to pass it to find out what is in it. She was referring to the American People.

And I knew one of you would try to pull out that lie about Pelosi when I made the statement.

It took Obamacare 9 months to get through Congress. 3 votes in the House to reconcile changes with the Senate. They knew what was in the bill.

So you are the one that is partisan and lack research.


As for your other part, premiums were skyrocketing before Obamacare. People were losing choice on providers based on the whim on their insurer.

[Skjellyfetti]

It's not comparable.

Health insurance shouldn't be a privilege or a luxury. Driving (especially for a teen) is.

And, to me comparing speeding tickets to health is like smoking / alcoholism / self-induced obesity, etc. If you smoke, I have no problem with you being charged a much higher rate. If you are diagnosed with prostate cancer... through no fault of your own... it's not exactly comparable to a speeding ticket or an accident.

I'm not in total disagreement with you, but where does it end? Should potable water be free? Can you make the case that sewer cost should be free because without it it would be a health hazard? What about public transportation?

Well, I don't know if "free" is the best option... But, should those things be subsidized and/or price regulated? Yeah. And, they are.

[JohnStOnge]

Rising premiums isn't a negative? Increasing administrative costs isn't a negative? People not being able to maintain providers that they know and trust isn't a negative?

Also, your last sentence is laughable. Have you forgotten what Pelosi said? We have to pass it to find out what's in it? Cmon, Jon. Don't be so partisan. It's ugly on everyone.
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Well, you have, and the rest of you that don't do research...

Pelosi: People won’t appreciate reform until it passes

Speaker Nancy Pelosi said Tuesday that people won’t appreciate how great the Democrat’s health plan is until after it passes.

“You’ve heard about the controversies, the process about the bill…but I don’t know if you’ve heard that it is legislation for the future – not just about health care for America, but about a healthier America,” she told the National Association of Counties annual legislative conference, which has drawn about 2,000 local officials to Washington. “But we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it – away from the fog of the controversy.”

During a 20-minute speech, she touted benefits she thinks will be tangible to the audience’s employers. She said there’s support for public health infrastructure and investments in community health centers that will reduce uncompensated care that hospitals now need to deliver.

“You know as well as anyone that our current system is unsustainable,” said Pelosi (D-Calif.). “The final health care legislation, which will soon be passed by the Congress, will deliver successful reforms at the local level.”
Almost immediately, though, the conservative media seized on the quote, and perverted it into an indictment of the law’s complexity. The meaning that was so perfectly plain to an objective reporter on that day has been completely lost.

So, no, she NEVER said we have to pass it to find out what is in it. She was referring to the American People.

And I knew one of you would try to pull out that lie about Pelosi when I made the statement.

It took Obamacare 9 months to get through Congress. 3 votes in the House to reconcile changes with the Senate. They knew what was in the bill.

So you are the one that is partisan and lack research.


As for your other part, premiums were skyrocketing before Obamacare. People were losing choice on providers based on the whim on their insurer.

DBack I am becoming increasingly disheartened by the extent to which what I think of as my side...the conservative side...engages in intellectual dishonesty. I realize the liberal side also engages in it. But that's not the point. I don't like seeing the side I've considered myself on doing it.

It's like the thing where during the past campaign there was the clip of Clinton saying we are going to put a lot of coal miners out of work and casting that as thought she was happy about that. The truth is that it was part of her saying we were going to have to make some changes and that some people would be hurt by that so we had to take care of those people. Conservatives took a statement she made in the spirit of saying we had to make sure those coal miners were taken care of and spun it as her being cavalier about putting them out of a job.

It's gotten really bad. It's gotten to the point where the disinformation and intellectual dishonesty coming from the conservative side has become overwhelming. Very sad.

[Skjellyfetti]

Trump tonight:

"I shouldn't say this to my great friend from Australia because you have better healthcare than we do."





Although, Trump just strings words together that sounds good and doesn't have any idea what he's saying. Sad!

[JohnStOnge]

BTW, you really have to wonder about the political wisdom of voting for a bill when the friggin' March of Dimes opposes it.

[BDKJMU]

Yes, BDKKKCUMU, it is a success.


Not for assholes like you, who hate Americans, but for those of us that support all Americans, it is.

You keep doubling down on stupid Massive premium increases across the country, double to triple digit in the individual market, is not a success. Lack of choices across much of the country in the individual market isn't a success. People being forced off the plans they had before Obamacare isn't a success. People losing their doctors isn't a success- remember those lies you can keep your plan and doctor, and you would save money too? People losing their full time jobs due to Obamacare isn't a success. Obamacare is basically destroying the individual market..

Don't you live in AZ? Last fall:
Arizona Obamacare Plan To Jump By 116 Percent When Premiums Go Up Next Year
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2016/10/25/ ... -premiums/

[houndawg]

BTW, you really have to wonder about the political wisdom of voting for a bill when the friggin' March of Dimes opposes it.

Seven years and this is what they manage to come up with..... smfh...

[∞∞∞]

Every possible medical society, economic organization, and think tank believes this is an awful bill. In the long run, it increases healthcare costs, costs taxpayers more money, and stifles entrepreneurship and innovation. Most Americans hate it and more importantly, people's lives are going to be drastically affected for the worst. Some will die.

But let's pass it because "fuck Obama's" legacy? I have no illusions that the ACA is some amazing law, but we can't come up with a better solution than today's abomination? Something that actually helps people?

History has proven time and time again that Trump, Ryan, and the rest will fall on the wrong side of it. As Dr. King said, "The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends towards justice."

[Ivytalk]

Well, you have, and the rest of you that don't do research...

Pelosi: People won’t appreciate reform until it passes

Speaker Nancy Pelosi said Tuesday that people won’t appreciate how great the Democrat’s health plan is until after it passes.

“You’ve heard about the controversies, the process about the bill…but I don’t know if you’ve heard that it is legislation for the future – not just about health care for America, but about a healthier America,” she told the National Association of Counties annual legislative conference, which has drawn about 2,000 local officials to Washington. “But we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it – away from the fog of the controversy.”

During a 20-minute speech, she touted benefits she thinks will be tangible to the audience’s employers. She said there’s support for public health infrastructure and investments in community health centers that will reduce uncompensated care that hospitals now need to deliver.

“You know as well as anyone that our current system is unsustainable,” said Pelosi (D-Calif.). “The final health care legislation, which will soon be passed by the Congress, will deliver successful reforms at the local level.”
Almost immediately, though, the conservative media seized on the quote, and perverted it into an indictment of the law’s complexity. The meaning that was so perfectly plain to an objective reporter on that day has been completely lost.

So, no, she NEVER said we have to pass it to find out what is in it. She was referring to the American People.

And I knew one of you would try to pull out that lie about Pelosi when I made the statement.

It took Obamacare 9 months to get through Congress. 3 votes in the House to reconcile changes with the Senate. They knew what was in the bill.

So you are the one that is partisan and lack research.


As for your other part, premiums were skyrocketing before Obamacare. People were losing choice on providers based on the whim on their insurer.

DBack I am becoming increasingly disheartened by the extent to which what I think of as my side...the conservative side...engages in intellectual dishonesty. I realize the liberal side also engages in it. But that's not the point. I don't like seeing the side I've considered myself on doing it.

It's like the thing where during the past campaign there was the clip of Clinton saying we are going to put a lot of coal miners out of work and casting that as thought she was happy about that. The truth is that it was part of her saying we were going to have to make some changes and that some people would be hurt by that so we had to take care of those people. Conservatives took a statement she made in the spirit of saying we had to make sure those coal miners were taken care of and spun it as her being cavalier about putting them out of a job.

It's gotten really bad. It's gotten to the point where the disinformation and intellectual dishonesty coming from the conservative side has become overwhelming. Very sad.

Don't worry, John. You're no conservative. Go back to the intellectual honesty of Paul Krugman, Chris Matthews, and Eugene Robinson. You're more comfortable there.

[houndawg]

Every possible medical society, economic organization, and tank thinks believes this is an awful bill. In the long run, it increases healthcare costs, costs taxpayers more money, and stifles entrepreneurship and innovation. Most Americans hate it and more importantly, people's lives are going to be drastically affected for the worst. Some will die.

But let's pass it because "**** Obama's" legacy? I have no illusions that the ACA is some amazing law, but we can't come up with a better solution than today's abomination? Something that actually helps people?

History has proven time and time again that Trump, Ryan, and the rest will fall on the wrong side of it. As Dr. King said, "The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends towards justice."

Talk about teeing it up for the donks - they'll take a play from the tea party book of histrionics and all we'll hear about are Paul Ryan's Death Camps.....


Pigfucking conks won't be able to show their faces in public without fear of a stomping..

[houndawg]

DBack I am becoming increasingly disheartened by the extent to which what I think of as my side...the conservative side...engages in intellectual dishonesty. I realize the liberal side also engages in it. But that's not the point. I don't like seeing the side I've considered myself on doing it.

It's like the thing where during the past campaign there was the clip of Clinton saying we are going to put a lot of coal miners out of work and casting that as thought she was happy about that. The truth is that it was part of her saying we were going to have to make some changes and that some people would be hurt by that so we had to take care of those people. Conservatives took a statement she made in the spirit of saying we had to make sure those coal miners were taken care of and spun it as her being cavalier about putting them out of a job.

It's gotten really bad. It's gotten to the point where the disinformation and intellectual dishonesty coming from the conservative side has become overwhelming. Very sad.

Don't worry, John. You're no conservative. Go back to the intellectual honesty of Paul Krugman, Chris Matthews, and Eugene Robinson. You're more comfortable there.

He probably doesn't even have a wife.

[BDKJMU]

Every possible medical society, economic organization, and think tank believes this is an awful bill. In the long run, it increases healthcare costs, costs taxpayers more money, and stifles entrepreneurship and innovation. Most Americans hate it and more importantly, people's lives are going to be drastically affected for the worst. Some will die.

But let's pass it because "**** Obama's" legacy? I have no illusions that the ACA is some amazing law, but we can't come up with a better solution than today's abomination? Something that actually helps people?

History has proven time and time again that Trump, Ryan, and the rest will fall on the wrong side of it. As Dr. King said, "The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends towards justice."

Wrong- Not compared to Obamacare, and don't be such a drama queen.

Its still a giant turd though, just less of one than Obamacare..I hope it doesn't pass so donks can still own Obamacare. We'll see..

[BDKJMU]

Every possible medical society, economic organization, and think tank believes this is an awful bill. In the long run, it increases healthcare costs, costs taxpayers more money, and stifles entrepreneurship and innovation. Most Americans hate it and more importantly, people's lives are going to be drastically affected for the worst. Some will die.

But let's pass it because "**** Obama's" legacy? I have no illusions that the ACA is some amazing law, but we can't come up with a better solution than today's abomination? Something that actually helps people?

History has proven time and time again that Trump, Ryan, and the rest will fall on the wrong side of it. As Dr. King said, "The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends towards justice."

"-Abolishes the Obamacare Individual Mandate Tax which hits 8 million Americans each year.

-Abolishes the Obamacare Employer Mandate Tax. Together with repeal of the Individual Mandate Tax repeal this is a $270 billion tax cut.

-Abolishes Obamacare’s Medicine Cabinet Tax which hits 20 million Americans with Health Savings Accounts and 30 million Americans with Flexible Spending Accounts. This is a $6 billion tax cut.

-Abolishes Obamacare’s Flexible Spending Account tax on 30 million Americans. This is a $20 billion tax cut.

-Abolishes Obamacare’s Chronic Care Tax on 10 million Americans with high out of pocket medical expenses. This is a $126 billion tax cut.

-Abolishes Obamacare’s HSA withdrawal tax. This is a $100 million tax cut.

-Abolishes Obamacare’s 10% excise tax on small businesses with indoor tanning services. This is a $600 million tax cut.

-Abolishes the Obamacare health insurance tax. This is a $145 billion tax cut.

-Abolishes the Obamacare 3.8% surtax on investment income. This is a $172 billion tax cut.

-Abolishes the Obamacare medical device tax. This is a $20 billion tax cut.

-Abolishes the Obamacare tax on prescription medicine. This is a $28 billion tax cut.

-Abolishes the Obamacare tax on retiree prescription drug coverage. This is a $2 billion tax cut."
http://www.atr.org/list-obamacare-taxes-repealed

Remember in 2008 when Obama said he wouldn't raise taxes on Americans making less than 250k a year?..Oops

[cx500d]

Every possible medical society, economic organization, and think tank believes this is an awful bill. In the long run, it increases healthcare costs, costs taxpayers more money, and stifles entrepreneurship and innovation. Most Americans hate it and more importantly, people's lives are going to be drastically affected for the worst. Some will die.

But let's pass it because "**** Obama's" legacy? I have no illusions that the ACA is some amazing law, but we can't come up with a better solution than today's abomination? Something that actually helps people?

History has proven time and time again that Trump, Ryan, and the rest will fall on the wrong side of it. As Dr. King said, "The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends towards justice."

"-Abolishes the Obamacare Individual Mandate Tax which hits 8 million Americans each year.

-Abolishes the Obamacare Employer Mandate Tax. Together with repeal of the Individual Mandate Tax repeal this is a $270 billion tax cut.

-Abolishes Obamacare’s Medicine Cabinet Tax which hits 20 million Americans with Health Savings Accounts and 30 million Americans with Flexible Spending Accounts. This is a $6 billion tax cut.

-Abolishes Obamacare’s Flexible Spending Account tax on 30 million Americans. This is a $20 billion tax cut.

-Abolishes Obamacare’s Chronic Care Tax on 10 million Americans with high out of pocket medical expenses. This is a $126 billion tax cut.

-Abolishes Obamacare’s HSA withdrawal tax. This is a $100 million tax cut.

-Abolishes Obamacare’s 10% excise tax on small businesses with indoor tanning services. This is a $600 million tax cut.

-Abolishes the Obamacare health insurance tax. This is a $145 billion tax cut.

-Abolishes the Obamacare 3.8% surtax on investment income. This is a $172 billion tax cut.

-Abolishes the Obamacare medical device tax. This is a $20 billion tax cut.

-Abolishes the Obamacare tax on prescription medicine. This is a $28 billion tax cut.

-Abolishes the Obamacare tax on retiree prescription drug coverage. This is a $2 billion tax cut."
http://www.atr.org/list-obamacare-taxes-repealed

Remember in 2008 when Obama said he wouldn't raise taxes on Americans making less than 250k a year?..Oops

I'm still waiting for the $2500 in savings he promised me. Hell I'd jump for joy with $1 in savings....hell, I'd be happy with double my 2009 premium if I had my 2008 deductible and max out of pocket.


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[Ibanez]

Rising premiums isn't a negative? Increasing administrative costs isn't a negative? People not being able to maintain providers that they know and trust isn't a negative?

Also, your last sentence is laughable. Have you forgotten what Pelosi said? We have to pass it to find out what's in it? Cmon, Jon. Don't be so partisan. It's ugly on everyone.
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Well, you have, and the rest of you that don't do research...

Pelosi: People won’t appreciate reform until it passes

Speaker Nancy Pelosi said Tuesday that people won’t appreciate how great the Democrat’s health plan is until after it passes.

“You’ve heard about the controversies, the process about the bill…but I don’t know if you’ve heard that it is legislation for the future – not just about health care for America, but about a healthier America,” she told the National Association of Counties annual legislative conference, which has drawn about 2,000 local officials to Washington. “But we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it – away from the fog of the controversy.”

During a 20-minute speech, she touted benefits she thinks will be tangible to the audience’s employers. She said there’s support for public health infrastructure and investments in community health centers that will reduce uncompensated care that hospitals now need to deliver.

“You know as well as anyone that our current system is unsustainable,” said Pelosi (D-Calif.). “The final health care legislation, which will soon be passed by the Congress, will deliver successful reforms at the local level.”
Almost immediately, though, the conservative media seized on the quote, and perverted it into an indictment of the law’s complexity. The meaning that was so perfectly plain to an objective reporter on that day has been completely lost.

So, no, she NEVER said we have to pass it to find out what is in it. She was referring to the American People.

And I knew one of you would try to pull out that lie about Pelosi when I made the statement.

It took Obamacare 9 months to get through Congress. 3 votes in the House to reconcile changes with the Senate. They knew what was in the bill.

So you are the one that is partisan and lack research.


As for your other part, premiums were skyrocketing before Obamacare. People were losing choice on providers based on the whim on their insurer.

You calling anyone partisan is comical. You are so far to the left and entrenched in your own philosophies that you can't accept anyone having a difference of opinion. Me partisan? If you look around you'll see that i'm more moderate than anything else. But that means you have to think critically and with an open mind....

So, I can be an adult and admit that quote is out of context but that doesn't excuse the fact that Democrats did it WITHOUT the support of the minority party. The minority party represents citizens just as well as the majority party does. Liberals and Conservatives love to bitch about it when they are in the minority. It doesn't take away from the fact that when you FORCE someone to do something, you are going to create resistance.

People are still experiencing skyrocketing premiums. My wife, child and I are healthy. We don't smoke or engage in dangerous activities. We're a low risk...yet here we are paying more and more money every year. LIke i said, the 10 essential benefits that Obamacare put in place I agree with. The individual mandate - not so much.

Pres. Obama - June 6, 2009: "If you like the plan you have, you can keep it. If you like the doctor you have, you can keep your doctor, too. The only change you’ll see are falling costs as our reforms take hold.

He shouldn't have said that.

[Ibanez]

Yes, BDKKKCUMU, it is a success.


Not for assholes like you, who hate Americans, but for those of us that support all Americans, it is.

You're starting to lose it my friend.

The ACA has had successes and failures. Nothing is 100% successful.


You're quickly becoming like the Republicans, post 9/11 with this " If you aren't with us, you're against us" talk. He's not American b/c he doesn't support a bill? Give me a fucking brake and quit being so damn dramatic.


Enter your condescending, immature comment here__________________________

[CID1990]

I need to dust off my Schoolhouse Rock "I'm Just a Bill" for you morans

No way this thing gets through Congress- there's only one way forward... and it is also a sh1t sandwich

All the people who said the ACA was a plot to get us on an irreversible path to single payer were right

Ah the good ol Middle Ages of 2007.. when Americans were dyin in the streets


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[Ibanez]

I need to dust off my Schoolhouse Rock "I'm Just a Bill" for you morans

No way this thing gets through Congress- there's only one way forward... and it is also a sh1t sandwich

All the people who said the ACA was a plot to get us on an irreversible path to single payer were right

Ah the good ol Middle Ages of 2007.. when Americans were dyin in the streets


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Anyone that thinks this is going to become law is mistaken.


So far Clitzasauras Smug thinks it'll "float through the Senate".

[kalm]

Yes, BDKKKCUMU, it is a success.


Not for assholes like you, who hate Americans, but for those of us that support all Americans, it is.

You keep doubling down on stupid Massive premium increases across the country, double to triple digit in the individual market, is not a success. Lack of choices across much of the country in the individual market isn't a success. People being forced off the plans they had before Obamacare isn't a success. People losing their doctors isn't a success- remember those lies you can keep your plan and doctor, and you would save money too? People losing their full time jobs due to Obamacare isn't a success. Obamacare is basically destroying the individual market..

Don't you live in AZ? Last fall:
Arizona Obamacare Plan To Jump By 116 Percent When Premiums Go Up Next Year
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2016/10/25/ ... -premiums/

I buy on the individual market, my premiums are about the same, I've kept all of my providers (except massage therapy ), was never forced off a plan, and still have a number of plans to chose from. I know this hasn't been the case for many and some of it has to do with the state you reside in, but at least it's possible through the ACA given the right circumstances and choices states make.

I also know of a few people who could either not afford insurance before the ACA or had issues with pre-existing conditions where it truly saved them.

Still not a fan of Obamacare though. The entire system is fucked and in the long run, overhauls are like putting a new $3000 transmission in a $2500 car.

And someone mentioned employers above. Employers should not be responsible for providing health insurance. If they elect to do it as a benefit, fine, but they should not be coerced into it.

[CAA Flagship]

I need to dust off my Schoolhouse Rock "I'm Just a Bill" for you morans

No way this thing gets through Congress- there's only one way forward... and it is also a sh1t sandwich

All the people who said the ACA was a plot to get us on an irreversible path to single payer were right

Ah the good ol Middle Ages of 2007.. when Americans were dyin in the streets


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Anyone that thinks this is going to become law is mistaken.


So far Clitzasauras Smug thinks it'll "sail through the Senate".

*float

[CAA Flagship]

You keep doubling down on stupid Massive premium increases across the country, double to triple digit in the individual market, is not a success. Lack of choices across much of the country in the individual market isn't a success. People being forced off the plans they had before Obamacare isn't a success. People losing their doctors isn't a success- remember those lies you can keep your plan and doctor, and you would save money too? People losing their full time jobs due to Obamacare isn't a success. Obamacare is basically destroying the individual market..

Don't you live in AZ? Last fall:
Arizona Obamacare Plan To Jump By 116 Percent When Premiums Go Up Next Year
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2016/10/25/ ... -premiums/

I buy on the individual market, my premiums are about the same, I've kept all of my providers (except massage therapy ), was never forced off a plan, and still have a number of plans to chose from. I know this hasn't been the case for many and some of it has to do with the state you reside in, but at least it's possible through the ACA given the right circumstances and choices states make.

I also know of a few people who could either not afford insurance before the ACA or had issues with pre-existing conditions where it truly saved them.

Still not a fan of Obamacare though. The entire system is fucked and in the long run, overhauls are like putting a new $3000 transmission in a $2500 car.

And someone mentioned employers above. Employers should not be responsible for providing health insurance. If they elect to do it as a benefit, fine, but they should not be coerced into it.

The formula for a healthcare act is X x Y = Z, or $ x # = $. Z = A - B where A is your pre-tax earnings and B is your after-tax earnings. Therefore Z = C, where C is your taxes. So if X x Y = Z = C, and the price of pizza in NY is doubled in the next 10 years, why can't we legalize prostitution?