Coronavirus COVID-19

[kalm]

I Understand the counter economic argument but I’ve seen zero epidemiologists supporting a quick re-opening without increased testing and better knowledge of reinfection/new outbreaks. Not to mention the politics of becoming one of the first governors to get burned by having to close down again and for a longer period, the 2nd time. Plus see the study on the medium term positive effects of early and longer closure in the economics thread.

I wouldn’t blame any governor for an over abundance of caution at this point.

I get it. I find it funny. " Open for Business. But stay home, it's not safe out here. "

Oh...I thought you were talking about the difference between the NC and SC governors.

[GannonFan]

I Understand the counter economic argument but I’ve seen zero epidemiologists supporting a quick re-opening without increased testing and better knowledge of reinfection/new outbreaks. Not to mention the politics of becoming one of the first governors to get burned by having to close down again and for a longer period, the 2nd time. Plus see the study on the medium term positive effects of early and longer closure in the economics thread.

I wouldn’t blame any governor for an over abundance of caution at this point.

Epidemiologists are supposed to skew towards quarantine

Economists are supposed to skew towards opening up

There likely needs to be a middle ground, and lets face it - people will die

Just blame it on Trump and it’ll be OK

Just imagine they drank bleach


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Agreed. If you're a virus person, the safest course of action is to have every home hermetically sealed and have all food deliveries done via drone. And to keep doing that until there is no chance (0%) of ever dying from any virus. We're all in this together.

Economists, on the other hand, lean towards opening everything up and letting the chips fall where they may.

The point of politicians is to take all of this input and make an informed decision. Unfortunately, we're not really blessed with a lot of good political leaders at any level. We may be at an all-time low at the federal level considering the lack of competency from the two major branches (executive and legislative) and a large majority of governors just take the don't rock the boat stance and are happy to respond to whatever a political poll will tell them.

A month from now or two months from now and we'll be in no different spot. We won't have a vaccine, people will still be dying, especially more the older you get, there won't be 330M daily tests that we can perform and get back results on, and even if we did we won't know what to do with those results since there's no indication that past infection lends future immunity, and all the special precautions that we would do today (masks in public or workspaces, frequent disinfecting, temperature checks, reduced capacity in stores/restaurants, if you can work home then do so and the really at risk population with significant health risks should go further and stay in lock down) will still be the same precautions that we'll prescribe then.

I don't hear any rational explanation that explains why we need to wait a month or two months to do the exact same things we're going to do in a month or two months from now.

[Gil Dobie]

143 cases in my county, 7 deaths.

Minneapolis has the biggest number of cases and deaths. Nobles county in rural Minnesota has the 2nd most cases, due to a meat packing plant outbreak. Around 8 counties have no confirmed cases. Youngest person to die is 44.

[89Hen]

We're all in this together.

BTW, this phrase may end up being a major contributor to domestic violence. If I hear that one more time on a commercial, somebody is getting abused.

[houndawg]

Colorado is starting to open back up today, and by Friday (GASP) beauty salons and barber shops will be able to open to the public. Does anyone want to guess how differently the media will treat (or is treating) the Donk governor of Colorado in comparison the the Conk governor of Georgia?

Who cares?

Biology is going to take care of these concentrated city dweller troglodytes

This thing is going to bloom again... multiple times

it will be interesting to see what happens with Sweden

[mainejeff]

We're all in this together.

BTW, this phrase may end up being a major contributor to domestic violence. If I hear that one more time on a commercial, somebody is getting abused.

Yeah that phrase is for socialist countries in Europe and Asian countries that....well that is just the way they do things. We've never been "all in this together" in this country.....so why start now?

[89Hen]

BTW, this phrase may end up being a major contributor to domestic violence. If I hear that one more time on a commercial, somebody is getting abused.

Yeah that phrase is for socialist countries in Europe and Asian countries that....well that is just the way they do things. We've never been "all in this together" in this country.....so why start now?

Yeah, that's it Jeff.

[kalm]

Epidemiologists are supposed to skew towards quarantine

Economists are supposed to skew towards opening up

There likely needs to be a middle ground, and lets face it - people will die

Just blame it on Trump and it’ll be OK

Just imagine they drank bleach


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Agreed. If you're a virus person, the safest course of action is to have every home hermetically sealed and have all food deliveries done via drone. And to keep doing that until there is no chance (0%) of ever dying from any virus. We're all in this together.

Economists, on the other hand, lean towards opening everything up and letting the chips fall where they may.

The point of politicians is to take all of this input and make an informed decision. Unfortunately, we're not really blessed with a lot of good political leaders at any level. We may be at an all-time low at the federal level considering the lack of competency from the two major branches (executive and legislative) and a large majority of governors just take the don't rock the boat stance and are happy to respond to whatever a political poll will tell them.

A month from now or two months from now and we'll be in no different spot. We won't have a vaccine, people will still be dying, especially more the older you get, there won't be 330M daily tests that we can perform and get back results on, and even if we did we won't know what to do with those results since there's no indication that past infection lends future immunity, and all the special precautions that we would do today (masks in public or workspaces, frequent disinfecting, temperature checks, reduced capacity in stores/restaurants, if you can work home then do so and the really at risk population with significant health risks should go further and stay in lock down) will still be the same precautions that we'll prescribe then.

I don't hear any rational explanation that explains why we need to wait a month or two months to do the exact same things we're going to do in a month or two months from now.

I remain open minded but there is also little evidence that 2nd wave and/or outbreaks from areas slower to react or opening up early won’t lead to greater economic harm in the long run.

Even WA State is slowly starting to reopen with residential construction back and elective surgeries and outdoor rec rumored to be coming within the next week or so.

In other words, what you’re suggesting is already happening in a large scale but it isn’t happening fast enough for some.

[89Hen]

I remain open minded but there is also little evidence that 2nd wave and/or outbreaks from areas slower to react or opening up early won’t lead to greater economic harm in the long run.

I've read this a couple times (once out loud) and I can't quite get what you're saying.

[Ivytalk]

We're all in this together.

BTW, this phrase may end up being a major contributor to domestic violence. If I hear that one more time on a commercial, somebody is getting abused.

It certainly doesn’t apply to government employees.

[UNI88]

I remain open minded but there is also little evidence that 2nd wave and/or outbreaks from areas slower to react or opening up early won’t lead to greater economic harm in the long run.

I've read this a couple times (once out loud) and I can't quite get what you're saying.

I believe what he's trying to say is that a "2nd wave and/or outbreaks from areas slower to react or opening up early" might cause greater economic harm than staying with current preventative measures (shelter-in-place, physical distancing, etc.) for longer.

[CAA Flagship]

I remain open minded but there is also little evidence that 2nd wave and/or outbreaks from areas slower to react or opening up early won’t lead to greater economic harm in the long run.

I've read this a couple times (once out loud) and I can't quite get what you're saying.

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

We're all in this together.

BTW, this phrase may end up being a major contributor to domestic violence. If I hear that one more time on a commercial, somebody is getting abused.

It the "new normal"........

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[Ibanez]

We're all in this together.

BTW, this phrase may end up being a major contributor to domestic violence. If I hear that one more time on a commercial, somebody is getting abused.

Have you been listening in on my conversations?! I probably tell my wife that multiple times a week. Every time I see a car/insurance/food/mobile device/tech/website company tell me that we're in this together or they'll be waiting for me when this is over, etc... Enough. We get it. We know. It's honestly every. single. commercial. Even South Carolina has one about the farmers who are busy "planting and harvesting to put food on your tables..."

Actually, the only company I've yet to see do this is Progressive Insurance. And their commercials are bad enough.

[AZGrizFan]

I've read this a couple times (once out loud) and I can't quite get what you're saying.

[Ibanez]

BTW, this phrase may end up being a major contributor to domestic violence. If I hear that one more time on a commercial, somebody is getting abused.

Yeah that phrase is for socialist countries in Europe and Asian countries that....well that is just the way they do things. We've never been "all in this together" in this country.....so why start now?

You missed the point. Back up and try again.

[kalm]

I remain open minded but there is also little evidence that 2nd wave and/or outbreaks from areas slower to react or opening up early won’t lead to greater economic harm in the long run.

I've read this a couple times (once out loud) and I can't quite get what you're saying.

Go read the article in the economics of crisis thread I posted. Bloomberg just posted an article on two new studies out of Wuhan suggesting the aerosols linger in the air longer. We still have more to learn.

[89Hen]

I've read this a couple times (once out loud) and I can't quite get what you're saying.

Go read the article in the economics of crisis thread I posted. Bloomberg just posted an article on two new studies out of Wuhan suggesting the aerosols linger in the air longer. We still have more to learn.

You're asking ME to read an article?

But I figured you were tying to say we should delay based on your stance on all this. However, your quote I questioned made it sound like you were saying there's no evidence to suggest delaying won't lead to more harm, ergo it could lead to more harm. That goes against all you've been espousing for weeks.

[kalm]

Go read the article in the economics of crisis thread I posted. Bloomberg just posted an article on two new studies out of Wuhan suggesting the aerosols linger in the air longer. We still have more to learn.

You're asking ME to read an article?

But I figured you were tying to say we should delay based on your stance on all this. However, your quote I questioned made it sound like you were saying there's no evidence to suggest delaying won't lead to more harm, ergo it could lead to more harm. That goes against all you've been espousing for weeks.

I’m not sure what you’re missing. The economic harm is already here. The study in the article suggests greater medium term economic harm may occur for those who waited longer to impose social distancing and/or those who attempt to return to normal too soon.

Only you can help your own laziness, Henley...only you.

[89Hen]

You're asking ME to read an article?

But I figured you were tying to say we should delay based on your stance on all this. However, your quote I questioned made it sound like you were saying there's no evidence to suggest delaying won't lead to more harm, ergo it could lead to more harm. That goes against all you've been espousing for weeks.

I’m not sure what you’re missing. The economic harm is already here. The study in the article suggests greater medium term economic harm may occur for those who waited longer to impose social distancing and/or those who attempt to return to normal too soon.

Only you can help your own laziness, Henley...only you.

Then my assessment was correct. Your statement I questioned was very misleading, which is why I questioned it. That is all.

[UNI88]

Talked to my ex this morning. Her company is planning to stay with work from home for Chicago office employees into next year. It's a voluntarily proactive step to protect their employees. The office is downtown and the vast majority of the employees take public transportation to work.

[UNI88]

You're asking ME to read an article?

But I figured you were tying to say we should delay based on your stance on all this. However, your quote I questioned made it sound like you were saying there's no evidence to suggest delaying won't lead to more harm, ergo it could lead to more harm. That goes against all you've been espousing for weeks.

I’m not sure what you’re missing. The economic harm is already here. The study in the article suggests greater medium term economic harm may occur for those who waited longer to impose social distancing and/or those who attempt to return to normal too soon.

Only you can help your own laziness, Henley...only you.

I agree that we're still learning and need to be cautious. And the economic harm is already here but it can get worse (so it should not be used as an excuse to just keep doing what we're doing). We just don't know how and we need to put some serious thought into the possible ramifications or our actions. That study was a good initial step but it appears to be pretty shallow (and there might be some confirmation bias) and we need to dig deeper.

[kalm]

I’m not sure what you’re missing. The economic harm is already here. The study in the article suggests greater medium term economic harm may occur for those who waited longer to impose social distancing and/or those who attempt to return to normal too soon.

Only you can help your own laziness, Henley...only you.

I agree that we're still learning and need to be cautious. And the economic harm is already here but it can get worse (so it should not be used as an excuse to just keep doing what we're doing). We just don't know how and we need to put some serious thought into the possible ramifications or our actions. That study was a good initial step but it appears to be pretty shallow (and there might be some confirmation bias) and we need to dig deeper.

I agree. Let’s apply reason and best available data from multiple sources and disciplines with the agility to adjust as we go...which is why I qualified the link. I’ve learned over the years to anticipate the push back here. Just consider me the informational counter balance to the economy first crisis approach that you see often. It’s both.

[kalm]

I’m not sure what you’re missing. The economic harm is already here. The study in the article suggests greater medium term economic harm may occur for those who waited longer to impose social distancing and/or those who attempt to return to normal too soon.

Only you can help your own laziness, Henley...only you.

Then my assessment was correct. Your statement I questioned was very misleading, which is why I questioned it. That is all.

Sorry I’m not a better wordsmith.

[HI54UNI]

She seems nice. I think they misspelled her name. It should be K A R E N. Video at the link.

Hamilton teacher caught on tape telling students she hopes they 'die' of coronavirus

HAMILTON — A math teacher at Steinert High School was caught on video this week shouting at a group of teenagers playing football in the park that they should “die a long, painful death” from the coronavirus.

The teacher was identified by multiple sources as Nicole Griggs, who has been a township teacher for the last 15 years and also taught middle school

https://www.trentonian.com/news/hamilto ... 8dffd.html