Coronavirus COVID-19

[kalm]

Here, they schools are discussing how classes will resume. One of the ideas is every student wears a mask and there will be A and B days.

That's not going to work well with kindergartners. We're thinking about homeschooling LilCCU if it comes to that.

The fact that we're being so immensely disruptive to kids (no school, no sports, no clubs, no socializing in person with other friends) for a virus that has such a miniscule impact on them might be one of the biggest issues of how we've responded to this pandemic. Like I posted in another post from the BBC, statistically the impact this virus has on kids under 25 is so low that it gets lost in the data of the other stuff they are really in danger of. IMO, get them back in school, they can wear masks when in school, maybe have them eat lunch in the classrooms rather than the cafeteria (although frankly unless we're going to disinfect the classroom prior to eating that may actually make it worse), but otherwise let them continue on as they always have. Full school, full sports, full clubs, socialize however they want, etc.

This would make sense, given our current knowledge of the disease, if kids were the only people on earth or who weren’t asymptomatic carriers.

[GannonFan]

The fact that we're being so immensely disruptive to kids (no school, no sports, no clubs, no socializing in person with other friends) for a virus that has such a miniscule impact on them might be one of the biggest issues of how we've responded to this pandemic. Like I posted in another post from the BBC, statistically the impact this virus has on kids under 25 is so low that it gets lost in the data of the other stuff they are really in danger of. IMO, get them back in school, they can wear masks when in school, maybe have them eat lunch in the classrooms rather than the cafeteria (although frankly unless we're going to disinfect the classroom prior to eating that may actually make it worse), but otherwise let them continue on as they always have. Full school, full sports, full clubs, socialize however they want, etc.

This would make sense, given our current knowledge of the disease, if kids were the only people on earth or who weren’t asymptomatic carriers.

Then stay away from kids if you think you're at risk. Or protect yourself when around kids if you think you're at risk. Wear masks, clean your hands, maintain social distancing. And parents should keep their kids at home when they are sick (which is the message everyday even outside of a pandemic). We know how to limit this thing and still go to work everyday - like I said, many places have been doing this for the past 8 weeks and will be doing those same things for the next 12-18 months. Blast out repeatedly what you should be doing to keep yourself safe and just move on. This dance around the abundance of caution is no longer reasonable or rational.

[Baldy]

Yup, schools have to be the #1 breeding ground for passing illnesses and there's not a close second.

Hospitals.

[AZGrizFan]

This would make sense, given our current knowledge of the disease, if kids were the only people on earth or who weren’t asymptomatic carriers.

Then stay away from kids if you think you're at risk. Or protect yourself when around kids if you think you're at risk. Wear masks, clean your hands, maintain social distancing. And parents should keep their kids at home when they are sick (which is the message everyday even outside of a pandemic). We know how to limit this thing and still go to work everyday - like I said, many places have been doing this for the past 8 weeks and will be doing those same things for the next 12-18 months. Blast out repeatedly what you should be doing to keep yourself safe and just move on. This dance around the abundance of caution is no longer reasonable or rational.

We knew how in 1968-1970. We apparently do NOT know how anymore.

[CAA Flagship]

This would make sense, given our current knowledge of the disease, if kids were the only people on earth or who weren’t asymptomatic carriers.

Then stay away from kids if you think you're at risk. Or protect yourself when around kids if you think you're at risk. Wear masks, clean your hands, maintain social distancing. And parents should keep their kids at home when they are sick (which is the message everyday even outside of a pandemic). We know how to limit this thing and still go to work everyday - like I said, many places have been doing this for the past 8 weeks and will be doing those same things for the next 12-18 months. Blast out repeatedly what you should be doing to keep yourself safe and just move on. This dance around the abundance of caution is no longer reasonable or rational.

I'm not so sure that wearing a mask for long periods of time is healthy. I just went to the grocery store and needed to pick up a prescription there as well. I had to wait an additional 15 minutes for the Pharmacy to open after food shopping. I had the mask on for about 30 minutes and was dying for some fresh air. I was mostly breathing in my own exhaust with the mask on. I felt like I wasn't getting enough oxygen at times. Not sure how kids could wear one for 6+ hours at a time.

[kalm]

This would make sense, given our current knowledge of the disease, if kids were the only people on earth or who weren’t asymptomatic carriers.

Then stay away from kids if you think you're at risk. Or protect yourself when around kids if you think you're at risk. Wear masks, clean your hands, maintain social distancing. And parents should keep their kids at home when they are sick (which is the message everyday even outside of a pandemic). We know how to limit this thing and still go to work everyday - like I said, many places have been doing this for the past 8 weeks and will be doing those same things for the next 12-18 months. Blast out repeatedly what you should be doing to keep yourself safe and just move on. This dance around the abundance of caution is no longer reasonable or rational.

That’s what we’re moving towards but we’re not there yet. Of all the talk of over reporting deaths, the NYT has a new article regarding Mexico and significant under reporting. Italy has revised its death count up to double.

We’re still learning. Patience, supported by increased scientific knowledge, grasshopper.

[Ibanez]

You forgot going to Hamilton every other week.

I've only been to Hamilton 3 times, which does put me into rarified company. I still like to boast that I saw the original Broadway cast (mins Lin and Chris Jackson who were off that night) from the center of the front row. But yes, it's hard to watch crappy cable news on tv when I'm so busy.

I say this with all due respect...fuck you. I've yet to see it once.

[AZGrizFan]

Then stay away from kids if you think you're at risk. Or protect yourself when around kids if you think you're at risk. Wear masks, clean your hands, maintain social distancing. And parents should keep their kids at home when they are sick (which is the message everyday even outside of a pandemic). We know how to limit this thing and still go to work everyday - like I said, many places have been doing this for the past 8 weeks and will be doing those same things for the next 12-18 months. Blast out repeatedly what you should be doing to keep yourself safe and just move on. This dance around the abundance of caution is no longer reasonable or rational.

I'm not so sure that wearing a mask for long periods of time is healthy. I just went to the grocery store and needed to pick up a prescription there as well. I had to wait an additional 15 minutes for the Pharmacy to open after food shopping. I had the mask on for about 30 minutes and was dying for some fresh air. I was mostly breathing in my own exhaust with the mask on. I felt like I wasn't getting enough oxygen at times. Not sure how kids could wear one for 6+ hours at a time.

You lasted longer than I did. I put one on (required in one of the convenience stores near me) and lasted about 90 seconds.....fuck that shit.

[GannonFan]

Then stay away from kids if you think you're at risk. Or protect yourself when around kids if you think you're at risk. Wear masks, clean your hands, maintain social distancing. And parents should keep their kids at home when they are sick (which is the message everyday even outside of a pandemic). We know how to limit this thing and still go to work everyday - like I said, many places have been doing this for the past 8 weeks and will be doing those same things for the next 12-18 months. Blast out repeatedly what you should be doing to keep yourself safe and just move on. This dance around the abundance of caution is no longer reasonable or rational.

I'm not so sure that wearing a mask for long periods of time is healthy. I just went to the grocery store and needed to pick up a prescription there as well. I had to wait an additional 15 minutes for the Pharmacy to open after food shopping. I had the mask on for about 30 minutes and was dying for some fresh air. I was mostly breathing in my own exhaust with the mask on. I felt like I wasn't getting enough oxygen at times. Not sure how kids could wear one for 6+ hours at a time.

I've been wearing a mask at work for 8-9 hours every day, 5 days a week, for the past 3 weeks in a row. It sucks, but you get used to it. And heck, we wear safety glasses out in the plant here so we have the added issue of glasses fogging up that most kids (although some will) won't have an issue. These are form fitting masks, there's plenty of gaps all around the mask, you won't pass out, just learn to live with it. And you don't wear it obviously when eating or drinking. Weighing the discomfort of wearing a mask versus screwing these kids up by putting their lives on hold for months for a virus that doesn't impact them should be an easy decision.

[GannonFan]

I've only been to Hamilton 3 times, which does put me into rarified company. I still like to boast that I saw the original Broadway cast (mins Lin and Chris Jackson who were off that night) from the center of the front row. But yes, it's hard to watch crappy cable news on tv when I'm so busy.

I say this with all due respect...fuck you. I've yet to see it once.

I actually turned down a 4th chance to see it - didn't want to spend the money, but I could've.

[Gil Dobie]

In other news China has 1 new case so far today.

[GannonFan]

Then stay away from kids if you think you're at risk. Or protect yourself when around kids if you think you're at risk. Wear masks, clean your hands, maintain social distancing. And parents should keep their kids at home when they are sick (which is the message everyday even outside of a pandemic). We know how to limit this thing and still go to work everyday - like I said, many places have been doing this for the past 8 weeks and will be doing those same things for the next 12-18 months. Blast out repeatedly what you should be doing to keep yourself safe and just move on. This dance around the abundance of caution is no longer reasonable or rational.

That’s what we’re moving towards but we’re not there yet. Of all the talk of over reporting deaths, the NYT has a new article regarding Mexico and significant under reporting. Italy has revised its death count up to double.

We’re still learning. Patience, supported by increased scientific knowledge, grasshopper.

What are we learning that is going to change the best practices we should be doing anyway in the absence of a vaccine? Again, masks in public (or indoor spaces at a minimum), frequent disinfection, wash your hands, temperature checks of employees (and maybe customers) before entry, reduced capacity in stores, quarantine of employees (stay away from work) who fail a temperature check or are tested positive, social distancing where possible. Seriously, WE KNOW WHAT TO DO. What patience is warranted at this point? Like I said, a governor like Wolf here in PA and just waving his hand and saying "4 more weeks" to basically wait and do the same thing we would do today (and have been doing in places that are open for weeks now) isn't science based anymore, it's being cautious just to say you're being cautious.

[GannonFan]

In other news China has 1 new case so far today.

Sure they do.

[AZGrizFan]

In other news China has 1 new case so far today.

Sure they do.

And NoKo still has zero cases. yay!

[kalm]

That’s what we’re moving towards but we’re not there yet. Of all the talk of over reporting deaths, the NYT has a new article regarding Mexico and significant under reporting. Italy has revised its death count up to double.

We’re still learning. Patience, supported by increased scientific knowledge, grasshopper.

What are we learning that is going to change the best practices we should be doing anyway in the absence of a vaccine? Again, masks in public (or indoor spaces at a minimum), frequent disinfection, wash your hands, temperature checks of employees (and maybe customers) before entry, reduced capacity in stores, quarantine of employees (stay away from work) who fail a temperature check or are tested positive, social distancing where possible. Seriously, WE KNOW WHAT TO DO. What patience is warranted at this point? Like I said, a governor like Wolf here in PA and just waving his hand and saying "4 more weeks" to basically wait and do the same thing we would do today (and have been doing in places that are open for weeks now) isn't science based anymore, it's being cautious just to say you're being cautious.

You’re underestimating the millions of idiots and idiot business managers and owners who will either choose to not follow reasonable safety measures or fail at complying with them.

The sheer number of additional contact points is also cause for concern.

Sweden is rethinking their herd immunity strategy as we speak. And they are an educated and orderly lot.

I think we’ll know a hell of a lot more after two more weeks of observation in places that have been simmering with less aggressive measures like Tennessee. Right now, their numbers are still climbing. If they flatten out by the end of May then I think your ideas have more merit.

And sincerely, please link to the science that supports your assertions. I want to be wrong.

[AZGrizFan]

What are we learning that is going to change the best practices we should be doing anyway in the absence of a vaccine? Again, masks in public (or indoor spaces at a minimum), frequent disinfection, wash your hands, temperature checks of employees (and maybe customers) before entry, reduced capacity in stores, quarantine of employees (stay away from work) who fail a temperature check or are tested positive, social distancing where possible. Seriously, WE KNOW WHAT TO DO. What patience is warranted at this point? Like I said, a governor like Wolf here in PA and just waving his hand and saying "4 more weeks" to basically wait and do the same thing we would do today (and have been doing in places that are open for weeks now) isn't science based anymore, it's being cautious just to say you're being cautious.

You’re underestimating the millions of idiots and idiot business managers and owners who will either choose to not follow reasonable safety measures or fail at complying with them.

The sheer number of additional contact points is also cause for concern.

Sweden is rethinking their herd immunity strategy as we speak. And they are an educated and orderly lot.

I think we’ll know a hell of a lot more after two more weeks of observation in places that have been simmering with less aggressive measures like Tennessee. Right now, their numbers are still climbing. If they flatten out by the end of May then I think your ideas have more merit.

And sincerely, please link to the science that supports your assertions. I want to be wrong.

We’ve been sequestering for 40 days. Honestly, how long does it take? Numbers are going to climb. Numbers are going to fall. things will ebb. Things will flow. It’s what viruses DO. The fact that it’s different in different areas isn’t some cause for alarm that requires extending the ridiculous shutdowns.

The mantra has shifted from “Flatten the curve” to “just wait two weeks!” Well, we’ve waited 40 days. Time to get back to work. WITH PROPER PROTOCOLS IN PLACE!

[Ibanez]

What are we learning that is going to change the best practices we should be doing anyway in the absence of a vaccine? Again, masks in public (or indoor spaces at a minimum), frequent disinfection, wash your hands, temperature checks of employees (and maybe customers) before entry, reduced capacity in stores, quarantine of employees (stay away from work) who fail a temperature check or are tested positive, social distancing where possible. Seriously, WE KNOW WHAT TO DO. What patience is warranted at this point? Like I said, a governor like Wolf here in PA and just waving his hand and saying "4 more weeks" to basically wait and do the same thing we would do today (and have been doing in places that are open for weeks now) isn't science based anymore, it's being cautious just to say you're being cautious.

You’re underestimating the millions of idiots and idiot business managers and owners who will either choose to not follow reasonable safety measures or fail at complying with them.

The sheer number of additional contact points is also cause for concern.

Sweden is rethinking their herd immunity strategy as we speak. And they are an educated and orderly lot.

I think we’ll know a hell of a lot more after two more weeks of observation in places that have been simmering with less aggressive measures like Tennessee. Right now, their numbers are still climbing. If they flatten out by the end of May then I think your ideas have more merit.

And sincerely, please link to the science that supports your assertions. I want to be wrong.

There's a lot to be said about personal accountability. At some point we have to be adults.

[AZGrizFan]

NYC is the epicenter for this virus. Let’s just wall off Manhattan (hmmm.....sounds like a movie) and get about our business.

[AZGrizFan]

8 weeks into the pandemic and NYC FINALLY shuts down their subway to clean.

I mean, that is so fucking stupid that you can’t even make that shit up. They ran the subway nonstop for EIGHT WEEKS during the height of the pandemic, then wonder why people were dropping like flies.

[GannonFan]

What are we learning that is going to change the best practices we should be doing anyway in the absence of a vaccine? Again, masks in public (or indoor spaces at a minimum), frequent disinfection, wash your hands, temperature checks of employees (and maybe customers) before entry, reduced capacity in stores, quarantine of employees (stay away from work) who fail a temperature check or are tested positive, social distancing where possible. Seriously, WE KNOW WHAT TO DO. What patience is warranted at this point? Like I said, a governor like Wolf here in PA and just waving his hand and saying "4 more weeks" to basically wait and do the same thing we would do today (and have been doing in places that are open for weeks now) isn't science based anymore, it's being cautious just to say you're being cautious.

You’re underestimating the millions of idiots and idiot business managers and owners who will either choose to not follow reasonable safety measures or fail at complying with them.

The sheer number of additional contact points is also cause for concern.

Sweden is rethinking their herd immunity strategy as we speak. And they are an educated and orderly lot.

I think we’ll know a hell of a lot more after two more weeks of observation in places that have been simmering with less aggressive measures like Tennessee. Right now, their numbers are still climbing. If they flatten out by the end of May then I think your ideas have more merit.

And sincerely, please link to the science that supports your assertions. I want to be wrong.

I'm not underestimating anything - I'm fully aware that there will be plenty of folks who won't abide by the recommendations for safety measures. But you know, the ones who won't do it today will still be the ones who won't do it a month from now, or two months from now, or the 12-18 months from now to get the vaccine. So what's the wait for? In addition, the bad actors out there - the businesses and factories that don't do it right - will suffer in that their employees won't show up to work and they'll get bad press and in some cases they won't even be able to operate. That's fine. That leaves the millions of good citizens and good business owners out there who have and will follow reasonable safety measures to get on with their lives and livelihoods.

We don't have this contained, and we're never going to have it contained without a vaccine or at a minimum good treatment options like a Tamiflu. This will ebb and flow and will do so for as long as we don't have a vaccine. You ask me for the science, where's your science asserting that two more weeks or four more weeks will make any difference? What's going to magically change in the next few weeks? Let people start planning and working on getting up and started with the reasonable safety precautions in place, let's open the hospitals and stop firing doctors and nurses, and let's move on.

[BDKJMU]

8 weeks into the pandemic and NYC FINALLY shuts down their subway to clean.

I mean, that is so fucking stupid that you can’t even make that shit up. They ran the subway nonstop for EIGHT WEEKS during the height of the pandemic, then wonder why people were dropping like flies.

At the same time Cuomo ordered nursing homes to take in people who had tested positive for the Chinese Virus, and it spread like wildfire in the elder care facilities.. How many thousands of NY elderly did that order kill?

[∞∞∞]

So I see Katie Miller, Pence's secretary (and Stephen Miller's wife) has the virus.

This admin can't even keep the WH safe, yet they expect Americans with far fewer protections to go back to work?

Anyways, this thing is knockin' on the door of the Oval Office. Maybe there's a chance Kalm's prediction still comes true:

[BDKJMU]

So you have a rogue Dallas judge earlier this week put a hair salon owner in jail for a week because she wanted herself and her employees to be able to pay their bills, and the govt loan she applied for hadn't come through. Idiotic decision by the judge when you have jails releasing inmates, and TX was opening its salons today anyway. TX gov, Lt Gov, and Attny Gen all criticized the decision. Texas Supreme Court ordered her freed, and Gov Abbott issued an executive order retroactively eliminating jail time as a consequence for violating the state's coronavirus restrictions. Now Ted Cruz and Palin have gone there to get haircuts.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ted-cr ... was-jailed

[AZGrizFan]

So you have a rogue Dallas judge earlier this week put a hair salon owner in jail for a week because she wanted herself and her employees to be able to pay their bills, and the govt loan she applied for hadn't come through. Idiotic decision by the judge when you have jails releasing inmates, and TX was opening its salons today anyway. TX gov, Lt Gov, and Attny Gen all criticized the decision. Texas Supreme Court ordered her freed, and Gov Abbott issued an executive order retroactively eliminating jail time as a consequence for violating the state's coronavirus restrictions. Now Ted Cruz and Palin have gone there to get haircuts.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ted-cr ... was-jailed

While I agree it was an idiotic decision, Texas wasn’t scheduled to open salons until the 18th. Gov. Abbot moved up the date to the 8th when she was jailed.

[AZGrizFan]

So I see Katie Miller, Pence's secretary (and Stephen Miller's wife) has the virus.

This admin can't even keep the WH safe, yet they expect Americans with far fewer protections to go back to work?

Anyways, this thing is knockin' on the door of the Oval Office. Maybe there's a chance Kalm's prediction still comes true:

Praying to Allah for someone’s death, trip?