2025 and Beyond Domestic Rightist Violence Thread

[Baldy]

If you care to defend this Don Lemon arrest you hate the constitution and you hate America. There’s no middle ground here.

I'm old enough to remember when klam used to opine about nuance and all the different shades of gray out there. Now, he's turned into a "There's no middle ground here." absolutist. That brings in the question of why are you not taking into consideration the 1st Amendment rights of the members of that church who have a constitutionally protected right to freely worship in peace?

There is no "journalism" shield for FACE Act violations. No journalist can barge into a church during a church service and try to harass or "interview" congregants or the pastor. How is Don Lemon any different than Nick Shirley at this point? Well, except that Nick Shirley wasn't arrested for breaking any laws.

Don Lemon is a Youtube content creator, that's all. Just look at any of his own videos from the church. He was standing in the pulpit of that church in the middle of all the harassment begging for likes, follows, and subscriptions.

[Gil Dobie]

Like I said before, you are clueless and brainwashed. Those vigilantes should not have been shot. You mess around like that and bad things can happen. Government of Minnesota is covering up fraud, and not isolated to a few Somolis. We have a crappy governor, crappy mayor and a crappy president, this is what you get.

Jesus, Gil. You sound like you e been red pilled. Vigilantes?

I have no issue with you not caring for your political reps. But have you considered the Medicare fraud that occurred in Texas and by a sitting Senator in Florida? Crickets.

The Medicare fraud prosecution started under Biden in 2023 with assistance from the MN Attorney General. Pretty shitty cover up, no?

There are protesters and there are vigilantes. A majority are protesters, the ones the interfere with law enforcement are vigilantes, like any other event with people crossing the line.

Fraud needs to be addresses where ever it happens.

[UNI88]

sorry about the first amendement, bdk. they would have to do more than honk, blow whistles or shriek to impede. courts have ruled flashing your brights to warn others about a speed trap is protected speech, for example.

Wrong

The lunatics honking and blowing whistles interferes and impedes with Law Enforcement communications

Their Constitutional rights cannot be infringed upon because they're inconvenient for ICE/CBP operations. Just like the 2nd Amendment can't be infringed up because it's inconvenient for the lives of school kids and others.

[UNI88]

If you care to defend this Don Lemon arrest you hate the constitution and you hate America. There’s no middle ground here.

I'm old enough to remember when klam used to opine about nuance and all the different shades of gray out there. Now, he's turned into a "There's no middle ground here." absolutist. That brings in the question of why are you not taking into consideration the 1st Amendment rights of the members of that church who have a constitutionally protected right to freely worship in peace?

There is no "journalism" shield for FACE Act violations. No journalist can barge into a church during a church service and try to harass or "interview" congregants or the pastor. How is Don Lemon any different than Nick Shirley at this point? Well, except that Nick Shirley wasn't arrested for breaking any laws.

Don Lemon is a Youtube content creator, that's all. Just look at any of his own videos from the church. He was standing in the pulpit of that church in the middle of all the harassment begging for likes, follows, and subscriptions.

Did the church file a complaint with local authorities? Is this really a matter for federal authorities?

Does DHS and the trump regime have any rooom to criticize Lemon and others considering their stalking near churches, hospitals and schools; scaring people away from medical care, worship and education?

Lemon sounds like nick shirley, jack posobiec, nick sortor, andy ngo, etc.

[BDKJMU]

Wrong

The lunatics honking and blowing whistles interferes and impedes with Law Enforcement communications

Their Constitutional rights cannot be infringed upon because they're inconvenient for ICE/CBP operations. Just like the 2nd Amendment can't be infringed up because it's inconvenient for the lives of school kids and others.

Preventing someone from interfering with LE ie obstructing doesn‘t violate anyone’s 1A Constitutional rights.

[UNI88]

Their Constitutional rights cannot be infringed upon because they're inconvenient for ICE/CBP operations. Just like the 2nd Amendment can't be infringed up because it's inconvenient for the lives of school kids and others.

Preventing someone from interfering with LE ie obstructing doesn‘t violate anyone’s 1A Constitutional rights.

Honking and blowing whistles are forms of speech.

[kalm]

If you care to defend this Don Lemon arrest you hate the constitution and you hate America. There’s no middle ground here.

If you defended the arrest of Pro Life advocates under the Auto Pen Admin, you hate the constitution and you hate America. There’s no middle ground here.

Refresh my memory. How are the two the same?

[UNI88]

St. Peter police chief intervenes, prevents federal agents from arresting resident

Police chief in the small southern Minnesota city of St. Peter intervened Thursday afternoon to prevent federal immigration agents from arresting a local resident.

The resident, a woman, had been observing and recording video of immigration enforcement actions from her car when agents removed her from her car and took her into custody.

It's believed to be the first time a local police department in Minnesota intervened in a federal law enforcement action since the surge in immigration enforcement began two months ago.

The woman, who did not want to be identified because she fears for her safety, is a U.S. citizen and a resident of St. Peter. She told MPR News in an interview that she was out in the community in her car, tracking the movements of federal agents, and recording them on a dash cam.

She shared that video with us. Agents in three vehicles began chasing her and trying to force her to pull over. Eventually they box her in, three agents get out of the car in front of her, with their guns drawn and try to force her out of her vehicle.

[UNI88]

ICE claim that a man shattered his skull running into wall triggers tension at a Minnesota hospital

Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents initially claimed Alberto Castañeda Mondragón had tried to flee while handcuffed and “purposefully ran headfirst into a brick wall,” according to court documents filed by a lawyer seeking his release.

But staff members at Hennepin County Medical Center determined that could not possibly account for the fractures and bleeding throughout the 31-year-old’s brain, said three nurses familiar with the case.

“It was laughable, if there was something to laugh about,” said one of the nurses, who spoke to The Associated Press on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss patient care. “There was no way this person ran headfirst into a wall.”

[UNI88]

I’m a former FBI agent who studies policing, and here’s how federal agents in Minneapolis are undermining basic law enforcement principles

These legal principles form the basis of DHS deadly force policy, which is similar to the policy I followed as an FBI agent: Law enforcement officers, or LEOs, “may use deadly force only when the LEO has a reasonable belief that the subject of such force poses an imminent threat of death or serious bodily injury to the LEO or to another person.”
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Moments before the ICE agent killed Good, the agent walked around Good’s parked vehicle filming Good with his phone in one hand. Good, sitting behind the wheel in her car, says “That’s fine dude, I’m not mad at you.”

As the shooting agent positions himself in front of Good’s vehicle, a second agent walks quickly toward Good’s vehicle and tries to open the door and reach inside. Good turns her steering wheel and tries to drive away – what a law enforcement agent could interpret as potentially an act of fleeing. The agent in front of Good’s vehicle shoots Good three times as she drives by him. He then mutters, “f-cking b-tch,” and walks away from Good’s crashed vehicle. There is dispute about whether Good’s vehicle grazed the agent.

Moments before Pretti was killed by federal agents, he was standing in a public street when agents approached him and sprayed him with a chemical agent. Pretti’s hands are visible and show that he is holding a cellphone.

The agents wrestle Pretti to the ground and repeatedly beat him with an object. Pretti is not seen brandishing a firearm. However, an agent approaches Pretti during the scuffle and appears to remove a firearm from Pretti’s waistband. Shortly thereafter, agents shoot Pretti 10 times. Pretti had kicked the taillight of a law enforcement vehicle – and was then tackled and tear-gassed by agents – 11 days before he was killed.

Some former federal prosecutors argue that these facts in the Good and Pretti cases warrant a thorough criminal investigation regarding whether federal agents illegally used lethal force in the killings. The central legal question is whether the evidence shows that the agents reasonably feared for their lives, or whether they acted unlawfully out of anger, frustration, retaliation or some other unjustified mental state.
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State, local and federal law enforcement officers are required to follow firearms safety rules. While training at the FBI Academy at Quantico, I was required to learn and follow the cardinal safety rules, which include (1) treating all firearms as loaded, (2) keeping firearms pointed in a safe direction and (3) keeping one’s finger off the trigger until one is ready to press it.

These rules help keep officers and the public safe, including by preventing unintentional discharges of firearms.

There were multiple bystanders and officers in the immediate vicinity of both the Good and the Pretti shootings. That raised risks associated with unintentional discharges and jeopardizing officers’ ability to meet the requirement to respect human life.

DHS officers specifically are also required to “employ tactics and techniques that effectively bring an incident under control while promoting the safety of LEOs and the public,” which includes avoiding “intentionally and unreasonably placing themselves in positions in which they have no alternative to using deadly force.”

In both the Good and the Pretti cases, federal agents placed themselves in poor tactical positions that increased the likelihood of using deadly force.
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Policing is difficult work under any circumstance. If federal agents continue to increase their interactions with the public, I believe they will need to embrace tactics from community policing and what is called procedurally just models of policing. These models emphasize building popular legitimacy by reinforcing relationships – through honest cooperation and partnership between law enforcement officers and the public.

[Baldy]

I'm old enough to remember when klam used to opine about nuance and all the different shades of gray out there. Now, he's turned into a "There's no middle ground here." absolutist. That brings in the question of why are you not taking into consideration the 1st Amendment rights of the members of that church who have a constitutionally protected right to freely worship in peace?

There is no "journalism" shield for FACE Act violations. No journalist can barge into a church during a church service and try to harass or "interview" congregants or the pastor. How is Don Lemon any different than Nick Shirley at this point? Well, except that Nick Shirley wasn't arrested for breaking any laws.

Don Lemon is a Youtube content creator, that's all. Just look at any of his own videos from the church. He was standing in the pulpit of that church in the middle of all the harassment begging for likes, follows, and subscriptions.

Did the church file a complaint with local authorities? Is this really a matter for federal authorities?

Does DHS and the trump regime have any rooom to criticize Lemon and others considering their stalking near churches, hospitals and schools; scaring people away from medical care, worship and education?

Lemon sounds like nick shirley, jack posobiec, nick sortor, andy ngo, etc.

What? Why would the church file a complaint with the locals?

Lemon and his friends were arresting for violating the FACE Act. It is a Federal Law. The Biden administration arrested and convicted approximately 20+ people for FACE Act violations. Several of them getting 24 to 48 months or more in prison time.

[UNI88]

Did the church file a complaint with local authorities? Is this really a matter for federal authorities?

Does DHS and the trump regime have any rooom to criticize Lemon and others considering their stalking near churches, hospitals and schools; scaring people away from medical care, worship and education?

Lemon sounds like nick shirley, jack posobiec, nick sortor, andy ngo, etc.

What? Why would the church file a complaint with the locals?

Lemon and his friends were arresting for violating the FACE Act. It is a Federal Law. The Biden administration arrested and convicted approximately 20+ people for FACE Act violations. Several of them getting 24 to 48 months or more in prison time.

How is the prosecution of lemon and the others going?

The irony of feds charging Lemon while ICE/CBP agents stalk churches scarring worshippers away from attending.