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kalm wrote: Fri Jan 30, 2026 10:13 pm If you care to defend this Don Lemon arrest you hate the constitution and you hate America. There’s no middle ground here.
:lol:

I'm old enough to remember when klam used to opine about nuance and all the different shades of gray out there. Now, he's turned into a "There's no middle ground here." absolutist. That brings in the question of why are you not taking into consideration the 1st Amendment rights of the members of that church who have a constitutionally protected right to freely worship in peace? :coffee:

There is no "journalism" shield for FACE Act violations. No journalist can barge into a church during a church service and try to harass or "interview" congregants or the pastor. How is Don Lemon any different than Nick Shirley at this point? Well, except that Nick Shirley wasn't arrested for breaking any laws.

Don Lemon is a Youtube content creator, that's all. Just look at any of his own videos from the church. He was standing in the pulpit of that church in the middle of all the harassment begging for likes, follows, and subscriptions.
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kalm wrote: Sat Jan 31, 2026 11:32 am
Gil Dobie wrote: Sat Jan 31, 2026 10:49 am

Like I said before, you are clueless and brainwashed. Those vigilantes should not have been shot. You mess around like that and bad things can happen. Government of Minnesota is covering up fraud, and not isolated to a few Somolis. We have a crappy governor, crappy mayor and a crappy president, this is what you get.
Jesus, Gil. You sound like you e been red pilled. Vigilantes? :suspicious:

I have no issue with you not caring for your political reps. But have you considered the Medicare fraud that occurred in Texas and by a sitting Senator in Florida? Crickets.

The Medicare fraud prosecution started under Biden in 2023 with assistance from the MN Attorney General. Pretty shitty cover up, no?
There are protesters and there are vigilantes. A majority are protesters, the ones the interfere with law enforcement are vigilantes, like any other event with people crossing the line.

Fraud needs to be addresses where ever it happens.
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Caribbean Hen wrote: Fri Jan 30, 2026 9:52 pm
Skjellyfetti wrote: Fri Jan 30, 2026 10:36 am
sorry about the first amendement, bdk. they would have to do more than honk, blow whistles or shriek to impede. courts have ruled flashing your brights to warn others about a speed trap is protected speech, for example.
Wrong

The lunatics honking and blowing whistles interferes and impedes with Law Enforcement communications
Their Constitutional rights cannot be infringed upon because they're inconvenient for ICE/CBP operations. Just like the 2nd Amendment can't be infringed up because it's inconvenient for the lives of school kids and others.
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Baldy wrote: Sat Jan 31, 2026 11:35 am
kalm wrote: Fri Jan 30, 2026 10:13 pm If you care to defend this Don Lemon arrest you hate the constitution and you hate America. There’s no middle ground here.
:lol:

I'm old enough to remember when klam used to opine about nuance and all the different shades of gray out there. Now, he's turned into a "There's no middle ground here." absolutist. That brings in the question of why are you not taking into consideration the 1st Amendment rights of the members of that church who have a constitutionally protected right to freely worship in peace? :coffee:

There is no "journalism" shield for FACE Act violations. No journalist can barge into a church during a church service and try to harass or "interview" congregants or the pastor. How is Don Lemon any different than Nick Shirley at this point? Well, except that Nick Shirley wasn't arrested for breaking any laws.

Don Lemon is a Youtube content creator, that's all. Just look at any of his own videos from the church. He was standing in the pulpit of that church in the middle of all the harassment begging for likes, follows, and subscriptions.
Did the church file a complaint with local authorities? Is this really a matter for federal authorities?

Does DHS and the trump regime have any rooom to criticize Lemon and others considering their stalking near churches, hospitals and schools; scaring people away from medical care, worship and education?

Lemon sounds like nick shirley, jack posobiec, nick sortor, andy ngo, etc.
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UNI88 wrote: Sat Jan 31, 2026 12:19 pm
Caribbean Hen wrote: Fri Jan 30, 2026 9:52 pm

Wrong

The lunatics honking and blowing whistles interferes and impedes with Law Enforcement communications
Their Constitutional rights cannot be infringed upon because they're inconvenient for ICE/CBP operations. Just like the 2nd Amendment can't be infringed up because it's inconvenient for the lives of school kids and others.
Preventing someone from interfering with LE ie obstructing doesn‘t violate anyone’s 1A Constitutional rights.
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BDKJMU wrote: Sat Jan 31, 2026 12:52 pm
UNI88 wrote: Sat Jan 31, 2026 12:19 pm

Their Constitutional rights cannot be infringed upon because they're inconvenient for ICE/CBP operations. Just like the 2nd Amendment can't be infringed up because it's inconvenient for the lives of school kids and others.
Preventing someone from interfering with LE ie obstructing doesn‘t violate anyone’s 1A Constitutional rights.
Honking and blowing whistles are forms of speech.
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BDKJMU wrote: Sat Jan 31, 2026 11:32 am
kalm wrote: Fri Jan 30, 2026 10:13 pm If you care to defend this Don Lemon arrest you hate the constitution and you hate America. There’s no middle ground here.
If you defended the arrest of Pro Life advocates under the Auto Pen Admin, you hate the constitution and you hate America. There’s no middle ground here.
Refresh my memory. How are the two the same?
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St. Peter police chief intervenes, prevents federal agents from arresting resident
Police chief in the small southern Minnesota city of St. Peter intervened Thursday afternoon to prevent federal immigration agents from arresting a local resident.

The resident, a woman, had been observing and recording video of immigration enforcement actions from her car when agents removed her from her car and took her into custody.

It's believed to be the first time a local police department in Minnesota intervened in a federal law enforcement action since the surge in immigration enforcement began two months ago.

The woman, who did not want to be identified because she fears for her safety, is a U.S. citizen and a resident of St. Peter. She told MPR News in an interview that she was out in the community in her car, tracking the movements of federal agents, and recording them on a dash cam.

She shared that video with us. Agents in three vehicles began chasing her and trying to force her to pull over. Eventually they box her in, three agents get out of the car in front of her, with their guns drawn and try to force her out of her vehicle.
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ICE claim that a man shattered his skull running into wall triggers tension at a Minnesota hospital
Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents initially claimed Alberto Castañeda Mondragón had tried to flee while handcuffed and “purposefully ran headfirst into a brick wall,” according to court documents filed by a lawyer seeking his release.

But staff members at Hennepin County Medical Center determined that could not possibly account for the fractures and bleeding throughout the 31-year-old’s brain, said three nurses familiar with the case.

“It was laughable, if there was something to laugh about,” said one of the nurses, who spoke to The Associated Press on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss patient care. “There was no way this person ran headfirst into a wall.”
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I’m a former FBI agent who studies policing, and here’s how federal agents in Minneapolis are undermining basic law enforcement principles
These legal principles form the basis of DHS deadly force policy, which is similar to the policy I followed as an FBI agent: Law enforcement officers, or LEOs, “may use deadly force only when the LEO has a reasonable belief that the subject of such force poses an imminent threat of death or serious bodily injury to the LEO or to another person.”
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Moments before the ICE agent killed Good, the agent walked around Good’s parked vehicle filming Good with his phone in one hand. Good, sitting behind the wheel in her car, says “That’s fine dude, I’m not mad at you.”

As the shooting agent positions himself in front of Good’s vehicle, a second agent walks quickly toward Good’s vehicle and tries to open the door and reach inside. Good turns her steering wheel and tries to drive away – what a law enforcement agent could interpret as potentially an act of fleeing. The agent in front of Good’s vehicle shoots Good three times as she drives by him. He then mutters, “f-cking b-tch,” and walks away from Good’s crashed vehicle. There is dispute about whether Good’s vehicle grazed the agent.

Moments before Pretti was killed by federal agents, he was standing in a public street when agents approached him and sprayed him with a chemical agent. Pretti’s hands are visible and show that he is holding a cellphone.

The agents wrestle Pretti to the ground and repeatedly beat him with an object. Pretti is not seen brandishing a firearm. However, an agent approaches Pretti during the scuffle and appears to remove a firearm from Pretti’s waistband. Shortly thereafter, agents shoot Pretti 10 times. Pretti had kicked the taillight of a law enforcement vehicle – and was then tackled and tear-gassed by agents – 11 days before he was killed.

Some former federal prosecutors argue that these facts in the Good and Pretti cases warrant a thorough criminal investigation regarding whether federal agents illegally used lethal force in the killings. The central legal question is whether the evidence shows that the agents reasonably feared for their lives, or whether they acted unlawfully out of anger, frustration, retaliation or some other unjustified mental state.
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State, local and federal law enforcement officers are required to follow firearms safety rules. While training at the FBI Academy at Quantico, I was required to learn and follow the cardinal safety rules, which include (1) treating all firearms as loaded, (2) keeping firearms pointed in a safe direction and (3) keeping one’s finger off the trigger until one is ready to press it.

These rules help keep officers and the public safe, including by preventing unintentional discharges of firearms.

There were multiple bystanders and officers in the immediate vicinity of both the Good and the Pretti shootings. That raised risks associated with unintentional discharges and jeopardizing officers’ ability to meet the requirement to respect human life.

DHS officers specifically are also required to “employ tactics and techniques that effectively bring an incident under control while promoting the safety of LEOs and the public,” which includes avoiding “intentionally and unreasonably placing themselves in positions in which they have no alternative to using deadly force.”

In both the Good and the Pretti cases, federal agents placed themselves in poor tactical positions that increased the likelihood of using deadly force.

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Policing is difficult work under any circumstance. If federal agents continue to increase their interactions with the public, I believe they will need to embrace tactics from community policing and what is called procedurally just models of policing. These models emphasize building popular legitimacy by reinforcing relationships – through honest cooperation and partnership between law enforcement officers and the public.
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UNI88 wrote: Sat Jan 31, 2026 12:32 pm
Baldy wrote: Sat Jan 31, 2026 11:35 am
:lol:

I'm old enough to remember when klam used to opine about nuance and all the different shades of gray out there. Now, he's turned into a "There's no middle ground here." absolutist. That brings in the question of why are you not taking into consideration the 1st Amendment rights of the members of that church who have a constitutionally protected right to freely worship in peace? :coffee:

There is no "journalism" shield for FACE Act violations. No journalist can barge into a church during a church service and try to harass or "interview" congregants or the pastor. How is Don Lemon any different than Nick Shirley at this point? Well, except that Nick Shirley wasn't arrested for breaking any laws.

Don Lemon is a Youtube content creator, that's all. Just look at any of his own videos from the church. He was standing in the pulpit of that church in the middle of all the harassment begging for likes, follows, and subscriptions.
Did the church file a complaint with local authorities? Is this really a matter for federal authorities?

Does DHS and the trump regime have any rooom to criticize Lemon and others considering their stalking near churches, hospitals and schools; scaring people away from medical care, worship and education?

Lemon sounds like nick shirley, jack posobiec, nick sortor, andy ngo, etc.
What? Why would the church file a complaint with the locals?

Lemon and his friends were arresting for violating the FACE Act. It is a Federal Law. The Biden administration arrested and convicted approximately 20+ people for FACE Act violations. Several of them getting 24 to 48 months or more in prison time.
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Baldy wrote: Sat Jan 31, 2026 1:17 pm
UNI88 wrote: Sat Jan 31, 2026 12:32 pm

Did the church file a complaint with local authorities? Is this really a matter for federal authorities?

Does DHS and the trump regime have any rooom to criticize Lemon and others considering their stalking near churches, hospitals and schools; scaring people away from medical care, worship and education?

Lemon sounds like nick shirley, jack posobiec, nick sortor, andy ngo, etc.
What? Why would the church file a complaint with the locals?

Lemon and his friends were arresting for violating the FACE Act. It is a Federal Law. The Biden administration arrested and convicted approximately 20+ people for FACE Act violations. Several of them getting 24 to 48 months or more in prison time.
How is the prosecution of lemon and the others going?

The irony of feds charging Lemon while ICE/CBP agents stalk churches scarring worshippers away from attending.
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Another example of DHS hypocrisy on the FACE Act ...

Immigration agents detain family taking 7-year-old child to Portland hospital
Federal immigration agents in Portland detained a 7-year-old girl and her parents last week on their way to the hospital, according to a GoFundMe page in Spanish created by family relatives.
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The Crespo-González family have an active asylum case and have a court hearing scheduled for 2028, she said, and the family had just moved into their own apartment in Gresham and were waiting for their recently-approved work permits to come in the mail.

The family lived in Utah before moving to Oregon in October, but they left out fear of growing political unrest and immigration enforcement following the death of conservative activist Charlie Kirk.

“They had no criminal record, no infractions, they just got to Portland,” Mendoza said. “They are educated people and they are honest.”
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“No parent should ever be forced to weigh their child’s health against the risk of detention,” the union said in a statement. “No child should be subjected to this level of fear. Every child deserves access to quality and timely healthcare.”

Union members have warned that the Trump administration’s rollback of restrictions on immigration enforcement would discourage families from seeking medical care.

“When that trust is broken, families delay care or avoid it altogether, turning preventable and treatable conditions into life-threatening emergencies,” the union said. “For children, the consequences of delayed or denied care are especially severe.”
Party of family values, party of life - where is the outrage?
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Gil Dobie wrote: Sat Jan 31, 2026 10:49 am
houndawg wrote: Sat Jan 31, 2026 8:48 am

yes there is and its called "murder". And The Epstein Files - which this is partly about directing your attention away from.

Your friends weren't there and it isn't their fault that people hold them in contempt for the actions of thier snot-nose-punk comrades but thems the breaks. And it doesn't excuse executing a man in the streets after disarming him.

And now it turns out that the goons may well have known exactly who they were executing. Not to mention the "fucking bitch" shot in the head.

And the NRA seems to have plumb forgot all about rising up against a tyrannical gubmint and their jack-booted thugs. :cry:
Like I said before, you are clueless and brainwashed. Those vigilantes should not have been shot. You mess around like that and bad things can happen. Government of Minnesota is covering up fraud, and not isolated to a few Somolis. We have a crappy governor, crappy mayor and a crappy president, this is what you get.
That goes both ways and the pendulum always swings. Sounds like these guys may have had a history too and that the gestapo may have known exactly who they were executing.

Your trying to sell that this is about fraud is laughable. Its about retribution from the convicted fraud in the White House who says straight out that he is not everyone's President.

I'm sure there is plenty of fraud and that it goes way beyond Minnesota's paltry 130,000 odd immigrants and that the amount of fraud in the private prison system so many of our leaders are invested in dwarfs what we're talking about in MN. Whats the bounty now? $800/head? No wonder Creepy Steven wants 3,000 head/day, thats some serious jack - might even make more money on that than on the construction fraud for the new ballroom, whose price has already tripled in less than a year. And nobody is talking about the bad news in the Epstein Files. :coffee:
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UNI88 wrote: Sat Jan 31, 2026 1:28 pm
Baldy wrote: Sat Jan 31, 2026 1:17 pm
What? Why would the church file a complaint with the locals?

Lemon and his friends were arresting for violating the FACE Act. It is a Federal Law. The Biden administration arrested and convicted approximately 20+ people for FACE Act violations. Several of them getting 24 to 48 months or more in prison time.
How is the prosecution of lemon and the others going?

The irony of feds charging Lemon while ICE/CBP agents stalk churches scarring worshippers away from attending.
Or that the pastor was an ICE officer.
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houndawg wrote: Sat Jan 31, 2026 3:57 pm
Gil Dobie wrote: Sat Jan 31, 2026 10:49 am

Like I said before, you are clueless and brainwashed. Those vigilantes should not have been shot. You mess around like that and bad things can happen. Government of Minnesota is covering up fraud, and not isolated to a few Somolis. We have a crappy governor, crappy mayor and a crappy president, this is what you get.
That goes both ways and the pendulum always swings. Sounds like these guys may have had a history too and that the gestapo may have known exactly who they were executing.

Your trying to sell that this is about fraud is laughable. Its about retribution from the convicted fraud in the White House who says straight out that he is not everyone's President.

I'm sure there is plenty of fraud and that it goes way beyond Minnesota's paltry 130,000 odd immigrants and that the amount of fraud in the private prison system so many of our leaders are invested in dwarfs what we're talking about in MN. Whats the bounty now? $800/head? No wonder Creepy Steven wants 3,000 head/day, thats some serious jack - might even make more money on that than on the construction fraud for the new ballroom, whose price has already tripled in less than a year. And nobody is talking about the bad news in the Epstein Files. :coffee:
And how is the government of Minnesota covering up fraud that they first reported to the feds anyway?
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houndawg wrote: Sat Jan 31, 2026 3:57 pm
Gil Dobie wrote: Sat Jan 31, 2026 10:49 am

Like I said before, you are clueless and brainwashed. Those vigilantes should not have been shot. You mess around like that and bad things can happen. Government of Minnesota is covering up fraud, and not isolated to a few Somolis. We have a crappy governor, crappy mayor and a crappy president, this is what you get.
That goes both ways and the pendulum always swings. Sounds like these guys may have had a history too and that the gestapo may have known exactly who they were executing.

Your trying to sell that this is about fraud is laughable. Its about retribution from the convicted fraud in the White House who says straight out that he is not everyone's President.

I'm sure there is plenty of fraud and that it goes way beyond Minnesota's paltry 130,000 odd immigrants and that the amount of fraud in the private prison system so many of our leaders are invested in dwarfs what we're talking about in MN. Whats the bounty now? $800/head? No wonder Creepy Steven wants 3,000 head/day, thats some serious jack - might even make more money on that than on the construction fraud for the new ballroom, whose price has already tripled in less than a year. And nobody is talking about the bad news in the Epstein Files. :coffee:
Sure like to spin crap Captain obvious. Of course fraud is everywhere. If you read my post, I have mention fraud is beyond a few Somalis. Get with it Karen.

Gestapo was formed by a socialist government. Walz wanted us to report our neighbors for breaking covid protocol. Nice facists playbook move.

I hope everyone listed in the Epstein files is prosecuted for their crimes. Unlike you Karen's on the left that just want Trumps head and anyone that isn't lockstep with you Karen movement.
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Gil Dobie wrote: Sun Feb 01, 2026 7:43 am
houndawg wrote: Sat Jan 31, 2026 3:57 pm

That goes both ways and the pendulum always swings. Sounds like these guys may have had a history too and that the gestapo may have known exactly who they were executing.

Your trying to sell that this is about fraud is laughable. Its about retribution from the convicted fraud in the White House who says straight out that he is not everyone's President.

I'm sure there is plenty of fraud and that it goes way beyond Minnesota's paltry 130,000 odd immigrants and that the amount of fraud in the private prison system so many of our leaders are invested in dwarfs what we're talking about in MN. Whats the bounty now? $800/head? No wonder Creepy Steven wants 3,000 head/day, thats some serious jack - might even make more money on that than on the construction fraud for the new ballroom, whose price has already tripled in less than a year. And nobody is talking about the bad news in the Epstein Files. :coffee:
Sure like to spin crap Captain obvious. Of course fraud is everywhere. If you read my post, I have mention fraud is beyond a few Somalis. Get with it Karen.

Gestapo was formed by a socialist government. Walz wanted us to report our neighbors for breaking covid protocol. Nice facists playbook move.

I hope everyone listed in the Epstein files is prosecuted for their crimes. Unlike you Karen's on the left that just want Trumps head and anyone that isn't lockstep with you Karen movement.
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The German government was not socialistic. They were the opposite. Fascism is a right wing movement. Any association with socialism was to attract the labor movement to their side.

I have yet to see one person on the left defend the likes of Clinton or Gates or Chomsky.

Walz’s actions during Covid can be debated and that’s fine. In 2020, the threat of Covid was still unknown and Minnesota's death toll was middle of the road compared to state by state death rates. Were they excessive? Perhaps. Did they save lives vs adopting loose rules like Texas and Florida who had higher death rates? Likely. Were some of the criticisms based on misinformation? Yes. Were these temporary actions, fascistic? Of course not, silly. It really boils down to one’s philosophy on the sanctity of life vs. a desire to hope for normalcy during a unique world wide pandemic and avoidance of a loss in profits.

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kalm wrote: Sun Feb 01, 2026 8:20 am
Gil Dobie wrote: Sun Feb 01, 2026 7:43 am

Sure like to spin crap Captain obvious. Of course fraud is everywhere. If you read my post, I have mention fraud is beyond a few Somalis. Get with it Karen.

Gestapo was formed by a socialist government. Walz wanted us to report our neighbors for breaking covid protocol. Nice facists playbook move.

I hope everyone listed in the Epstein files is prosecuted for their crimes. Unlike you Karen's on the left that just want Trumps head and anyone that isn't lockstep with you Karen movement.
Gil.

The German government was not socialistic. They were the opposite. Fascism is a right wing movement. Any association with socialism was to attract the labor movement to their side.

I have yet to see one person on the left defend the likes of Clinton or Gates or Chomsky.

Walz’s actions during Covid can be debated and that’s fine. In 2020, the threat of Covid was still unknown and Minnesota's death toll was middle of the road compared to state by state death rates. Were they excessive? Perhaps. Did they save lives vs adopting loose rules like Texas and Florida who had higher death rates? Likely. Were some of the criticisms based on misinformation? Yes. Were these temporary actions, fascistic? Of course not, silly. It really boils down to one’s philosophy on the sanctity of life vs. a desire to hope for normalcy during a unique world wide pandemic and avoidance of a loss in profits.

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That is a fallacy that the Nazis were not socialist. We won't agree on that. Hitler didn't like capitalism. So you are selective on who you call fascists? It's ok from a Democrat but not republican, got it! Future will look like the Russian revolution here, once these modern Karen's take over. Hope to survive it in my old age.
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kalm wrote: Sun Feb 01, 2026 8:20 am
Gil Dobie wrote: Sun Feb 01, 2026 7:43 am

Sure like to spin crap Captain obvious. Of course fraud is everywhere. If you read my post, I have mention fraud is beyond a few Somalis. Get with it Karen.

Gestapo was formed by a socialist government. Walz wanted us to report our neighbors for breaking covid protocol. Nice facists playbook move.

I hope everyone listed in the Epstein files is prosecuted for their crimes. Unlike you Karen's on the left that just want Trumps head and anyone that isn't lockstep with you Karen movement.
Gil.

The German government was not socialistic. They were the opposite. Fascism is a right wing movement. Any association with socialism was to attract the labor movement to their side.

I have yet to see one person on the left defend the likes of Clinton or Gates or Chomsky.

Walz’s actions during Covid can be debated and that’s fine. In 2020, the threat of Covid was still unknown and Minnesota's death toll was middle of the road compared to state by state death rates. Were they excessive? Perhaps. Did they save lives vs adopting loose rules like Texas and Florida who had higher death rates? Likely. Were some of the criticisms based on misinformation? Yes. Were these temporary actions, fascistic? Of course not, silly. It really boils down to one’s philosophy on the sanctity of life vs. a desire to hope for normalcy during a unique world wide pandemic and avoidance of a loss in profits.

https://www.livenowfox.com/news/tim-wal ... -video.amp
While Walz was giving orders to report your neighbor, he was in Hudson, Wisconsin dining and having fun. He also granted an old friend the right to keep his candy store open on a need basis during the same time many mom and pop stores had to close and go out of business.
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CNN BREAKING: Kristin Holmes reports Stephen Miller is saying ‘there may have been a breach of protocol’ and Noem is blabbering about how she was in touch with Trump and Miller for her talking points. Miller is saying that he got his information CBP trying to shove it down to Bovino! This fucking clown show guys. They are all going down.”

Meanwhile, Democrats are celebrating the replacement of Nazi-cosplayer Greg Bovino and eager puppy-killer and adulterer Kristi Noem with Tom Homan, who merely takes $50,000 bribes in burger bags and is therefore presumably more reasonable. Blue collar versus white collar, and all that.
But, wait a minute. Slow down. It’s way too premature to toast the dawn of a new era.

Fascist governments don’t rise in one giant arc, nor do they collapse that way. It’s more of what electrical engineers and ham radio operators would call a “sawtooth pattern.” Climb an inch up toward fascism, get pushback from the public so you back down a half-inch until things quiet down, then move up another inch in another step toward the ultimate goal of total tyranny.

Learn from your own mistakes, while getting the public used to each step, so Trump and his lickspittles can move onto the next falling domino in the process of ending democracy and replacing it with strongman oligarchic autocracy.
Step-by-step, the fascist leadership gets there. As has happened so often in other countries across history.
In other words, ICE is still operating on the assumption of complete immunity, still kicking in doors without Fourth Amendment warrants, still capable of killing you or me without ever answering for it. And they know it.
We are still on the path to dictatorship.

Eventually, people in countries that are in the process of flipping from democracy to fascism figure out that they’re now living in a dictatorship; by then, however, it’s usually too late.

For people in Hungary, it was May, 2020 when Orbán started arresting people for their Facebook posts. For folks in Russia, it was December, 2011 when Alexi Navalny and his supporters were first assaulted in public and then arrested and sent to brutal gulags in Siberia. For Germans, it was July 14, 1933 — six months after he became chancellor — when Hitler outlawed all political parties except his own.

But at first, the steps from democracy to fascism and tyranny always seems like “just another thing the government has to do to deal with a very real problem.” Something that reasonable people would understand and can’t reasonably object to. Something that, even if weird, makes a certain amount of sense.

After all, we do have millions of people in this country without documentation….

Until suddenly the mask is dropped and the twisted face of hateful fascism peers out at the country with laser-red eyes and a bloody mouth filled with threats and lies. Wearing camouflage, anonymous, face masked, carrying handcuffs and pepper spray while brandishing a gun.

Today, Trump appears to be backing away from his senior toadies who’re still blaming Nicole Good and Alex Pretti for their own executions, and both Democrats and the media are proclaiming Bovino’s departure as a “victory for democracy.”
It’s no such thing.

This is a recalibration. Trump, like Orbán and Putin before him, is learning just how far he can go before he or his people encounter resistance they can’t bludgeon their way through.

They’re figuring out which messages will work to get us to accept the changes they’re making to America and our political and economic systems, including how much they can steal for themselves and their families, and which schemes won’t work out for them.

This is an old playbook that dates back to Machiavelli and before. It’s how every dictator ends up fabulously rich while wielding life-or-death power.

Fascism doesn’t arrive with jackboots; it arrives with media and voter fatigue. As the political theorist Hannah Arendt warned, the very “banality” and “ordinariness” of such evil is its greatest weapon.
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Re: 2025 Domestic Rightist Violence Thread

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Gil Dobie wrote: Sun Feb 01, 2026 8:55 am
kalm wrote: Sun Feb 01, 2026 8:20 am

Gil.

The German government was not socialistic. They were the opposite. Fascism is a right wing movement. Any association with socialism was to attract the labor movement to their side.

I have yet to see one person on the left defend the likes of Clinton or Gates or Chomsky.

Walz’s actions during Covid can be debated and that’s fine. In 2020, the threat of Covid was still unknown and Minnesota's death toll was middle of the road compared to state by state death rates. Were they excessive? Perhaps. Did they save lives vs adopting loose rules like Texas and Florida who had higher death rates? Likely. Were some of the criticisms based on misinformation? Yes. Were these temporary actions, fascistic? Of course not, silly. It really boils down to one’s philosophy on the sanctity of life vs. a desire to hope for normalcy during a unique world wide pandemic and avoidance of a loss in profits.

https://www.livenowfox.com/news/tim-wal ... -video.amp
While Walz was giving orders to report your neighbor, he was in Hudson, Wisconsin dining and having fun. He also granted an old friend the right to keep his candy store open on a need basis during the same time many mom and pop stores had to close and go out of business.
If true, those are hypocritical. Similar to Newsome and dinner at the French Laundry. Still not fascism.
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kalm wrote: Sun Feb 01, 2026 8:57 am
CNN BREAKING: Kristin Holmes reports Stephen Miller is saying ‘there may have been a breach of protocol’ and Noem is blabbering about how she was in touch with Trump and Miller for her talking points. Miller is saying that he got his information CBP trying to shove it down to Bovino! This fucking clown show guys. They are all going down.”

Meanwhile, Democrats are celebrating the replacement of Nazi-cosplayer Greg Bovino and eager puppy-killer and adulterer Kristi Noem with Tom Homan, who merely takes $50,000 bribes in burger bags and is therefore presumably more reasonable. Blue collar versus white collar, and all that.
But, wait a minute. Slow down. It’s way too premature to toast the dawn of a new era.

Fascist governments don’t rise in one giant arc, nor do they collapse that way. It’s more of what electrical engineers and ham radio operators would call a “sawtooth pattern.” Climb an inch up toward fascism, get pushback from the public so you back down a half-inch until things quiet down, then move up another inch in another step toward the ultimate goal of total tyranny.

Learn from your own mistakes, while getting the public used to each step, so Trump and his lickspittles can move onto the next falling domino in the process of ending democracy and replacing it with strongman oligarchic autocracy.
Step-by-step, the fascist leadership gets there. As has happened so often in other countries across history.
In other words, ICE is still operating on the assumption of complete immunity, still kicking in doors without Fourth Amendment warrants, still capable of killing you or me without ever answering for it. And they know it.
We are still on the path to dictatorship.

Eventually, people in countries that are in the process of flipping from democracy to fascism figure out that they’re now living in a dictatorship; by then, however, it’s usually too late.

For people in Hungary, it was May, 2020 when Orbán started arresting people for their Facebook posts. For folks in Russia, it was December, 2011 when Alexi Navalny and his supporters were first assaulted in public and then arrested and sent to brutal gulags in Siberia. For Germans, it was July 14, 1933 — six months after he became chancellor — when Hitler outlawed all political parties except his own.

But at first, the steps from democracy to fascism and tyranny always seems like “just another thing the government has to do to deal with a very real problem.” Something that reasonable people would understand and can’t reasonably object to. Something that, even if weird, makes a certain amount of sense.

After all, we do have millions of people in this country without documentation….

Until suddenly the mask is dropped and the twisted face of hateful fascism peers out at the country with laser-red eyes and a bloody mouth filled with threats and lies. Wearing camouflage, anonymous, face masked, carrying handcuffs and pepper spray while brandishing a gun.

Today, Trump appears to be backing away from his senior toadies who’re still blaming Nicole Good and Alex Pretti for their own executions, and both Democrats and the media are proclaiming Bovino’s departure as a “victory for democracy.”
It’s no such thing.

This is a recalibration. Trump, like Orbán and Putin before him, is learning just how far he can go before he or his people encounter resistance they can’t bludgeon their way through.

They’re figuring out which messages will work to get us to accept the changes they’re making to America and our political and economic systems, including how much they can steal for themselves and their families, and which schemes won’t work out for them.

This is an old playbook that dates back to Machiavelli and before. It’s how every dictator ends up fabulously rich while wielding life-or-death power.

Fascism doesn’t arrive with jackboots; it arrives with media and voter fatigue. As the political theorist Hannah Arendt warned, the very “banality” and “ordinariness” of such evil is its greatest weapon.
https://open.substack.com/pub/thomhartm ... nt=overlay
:lol: this guy is true in his hate for Trump. That’s for sure.

But he could write the same piece about Joey and the radicals
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Caribbean Hen wrote: Sun Feb 01, 2026 9:11 am
:lol: this guy is true in his hate for Trump. That’s for sure.

But he could write the same piece about Joey and the radicals
lol! No.
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kalm wrote: Sun Feb 01, 2026 9:12 am
Caribbean Hen wrote: Sun Feb 01, 2026 9:11 am

:lol: this guy is true in his hate for Trump. That’s for sure.

But he could write the same piece about Joey and the radicals
lol! No.
Well, if he can’t get it done, I could certainly do it with one hand tied behind my back :lol:
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