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Re: US Strikes Iran Part 2.

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Grim new economic numbers highlight how Trump is losing leverage against Iran
The week began with President Donald Trump saber-rattling like we’ve never seen before. He threatened apparent war crimes and to end a “whole civilization” if Iran didn’t meet his demands.

It is ending with Trump looking like he’s losing leverage, out of ideas — and increasingly anxious for an offramp.

The economic news Friday was especially grim for Trump’s ability to keep prosecuting this war and drive a hard bargain with Iran in upcoming negotiations.
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And perhaps most troubling for Trump, this could just be the beginning. As CNN’s David Goldman notes, the oil shock means inflation is likely to keep rising for months, even if the war is brought to a quick end and the Strait of Hormuz is reopened (if the war continues and the strait doesn’t open in the next several weeks, this could get much uglier).

That means a gloomy economic outlook could come dangerously close to the November election, when Republicans already face an uphill battle to keep control of the House.

Undoubtedly, that creates pressure on Trump to cut a deal to end the war and reopen the strait. And that reduces his leverage in Iran negotiations — a reality that’s been reflected by Trump’s recent behavior.
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kalm wrote: Sat Apr 11, 2026 3:34 pm
SeattleGriz wrote: Sat Apr 11, 2026 2:24 pm

Where do you throw Putin in here?
Enjoying himself and the influx of cash.
For a guy who had terminal cancer and shit himself falling down, he's me ade quite a remarkable recovery.
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SeattleGriz wrote: Sat Apr 11, 2026 4:48 pm
kalm wrote: Sat Apr 11, 2026 3:34 pm

Enjoying himself and the influx of cash.
For a guy who had terminal cancer and shit himself falling down, he's me ade quite a remarkable recovery.
It’s amazing what people can come back from.
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kalm wrote: Sat Apr 11, 2026 5:25 pm
SeattleGriz wrote: Sat Apr 11, 2026 4:48 pm

For a guy who had terminal cancer and shit himself falling down, he's me ade quite a remarkable recovery.
It’s amazing what people can come back from.
How did you feel when Putin defied you. Stood tall. Did not poop himself like the story you pedaled?

Did it feel like Covington Catholic?
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SeattleGriz wrote: Sat Apr 11, 2026 7:10 pm
kalm wrote: Sat Apr 11, 2026 5:25 pm

It’s amazing what people can come back from.
How did you feel when Putin defied you. Stood tall. Did not poop himself like the story you pedaled?

Did it feel like Covington Catholic?
When you constantly lose every debate there’s always Covington Classic! :lol:

I’ve mistakenly believed my share of reporting that got the story wrong. We all have. Except you. Because you lack the humility to even go quietly from a discussion where your facts are proved erroneous.

But don’t quit you being you, SG. Your bad faith arguments and contrarianism are like sweet nectar!

:clap: :lol:
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kalm wrote: Sat Apr 11, 2026 8:03 pm
SeattleGriz wrote: Sat Apr 11, 2026 7:10 pm

How did you feel when Putin defied you. Stood tall. Did not poop himself like the story you pedaled?

Did it feel like Covington Catholic?
When you constantly lose every debate there’s always Covington Classic! :lol:

I’ve mistakenly believed my share of reporting that got the story wrong. We all have. Except you. Because you lack the humility to even go quietly from a discussion where your facts are proved erroneous.

But don’t quit you being you, SG. Your bad faith arguments and contrarianism are like sweet nectar!

:clap: :lol:
I’m not surprised you got that one wrong too

And it’s because you have poor instincts and if you don’t, you just Parrot false narratives like a leftist hack
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Caribbean Hen wrote: Sat Apr 11, 2026 8:08 pm
kalm wrote: Sat Apr 11, 2026 8:03 pm

When you constantly lose every debate there’s always Covington Classic! :lol:

I’ve mistakenly believed my share of reporting that got the story wrong. We all have. Except you. Because you lack the humility to even go quietly from a discussion where your facts are proved erroneous.

But don’t quit you being you, SG. Your bad faith arguments and contrarianism are like sweet nectar!

:clap: :lol:
I’m not surprised you got that one wrong too

And it’s because you have poor instincts and if you don’t, you just Parrot false narratives like a leftist hack
Ah…so the JV team has been put in during garbage time. :lol:

False narratives and things that upset CH are not the same. Work on your insults before replying. At least SG makes an effort to be intriguing with his trolling.

Yawn.
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UNI88 wrote: Sat Apr 11, 2026 3:41 pm Grim new economic numbers highlight how Trump is losing leverage against Iran
The week began with President Donald Trump saber-rattling like we’ve never seen before. He threatened apparent war crimes and to end a “whole civilization” if Iran didn’t meet his demands.

It is ending with Trump looking like he’s losing leverage, out of ideas — and increasingly anxious for an offramp.

The economic news Friday was especially grim for Trump’s ability to keep prosecuting this war and drive a hard bargain with Iran in upcoming negotiations.
...
And perhaps most troubling for Trump, this could just be the beginning. As CNN’s David Goldman notes, the oil shock means inflation is likely to keep rising for months, even if the war is brought to a quick end and the Strait of Hormuz is reopened (if the war continues and the strait doesn’t open in the next several weeks, this could get much uglier).

That means a gloomy economic outlook could come dangerously close to the November election, when Republicans already face an uphill battle to keep control of the House.

Undoubtedly, that creates pressure on Trump to cut a deal to end the war and reopen the strait. And that reduces his leverage in Iran negotiations — a reality that’s been reflected by Trump’s recent behavior.
The strait is open.
https://redstate.com/streiff/2026/04/11 ... n-n2201188
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kalm wrote: Sat Apr 11, 2026 9:45 pm
Caribbean Hen wrote: Sat Apr 11, 2026 8:08 pm

I’m not surprised you got that one wrong too

And it’s because you have poor instincts and if you don’t, you just Parrot false narratives like a leftist hack
Ah…so the JV team has been put in during garbage time. :lol:

False narratives and things that upset CH are not the same. Work on your insults before replying. At least SG makes an effort to be intriguing with his trolling.

Yawn.
I don’t need to insult you

Your own words and Mcgoo attitude do a good enough job of that

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Caribbean Hen wrote: Sun Apr 12, 2026 4:32 am
kalm wrote: Sat Apr 11, 2026 9:45 pm

Ah…so the JV team has been put in during garbage time. :lol:

False narratives and things that upset CH are not the same. Work on your insults before replying. At least SG makes an effort to be intriguing with his trolling.

Yawn.
I don’t need to insult you

Your own words and Mcgoo attitude do a good enough job of that

:lol:
I’ll give you a C- for that attempt. Keep trying, kid!
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And for a little balance:

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kalm wrote: Sun Apr 12, 2026 6:18 am And for a little balance:

:rofl: Now you start quoting Mearsheimer! He's a Putin Puppet, remember?

Look at you flail. Can't even keep your own schtik straight.
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kalm wrote: Sun Apr 12, 2026 5:27 am
Caribbean Hen wrote: Sun Apr 12, 2026 4:32 am

I don’t need to insult you

Your own words and Mcgoo attitude do a good enough job of that

:lol:
I’ll give you a C- for that attempt. Keep trying, kid!
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kalm wrote: Sat Apr 11, 2026 8:03 pm
SeattleGriz wrote: Sat Apr 11, 2026 7:10 pm

How did you feel when Putin defied you. Stood tall. Did not poop himself like the story you pedaled?

Did it feel like Covington Catholic?
When you constantly lose every debate there’s always Covington Classic! :lol:

I’ve mistakenly believed my share of reporting that got the story wrong. We all have. Except you. Because you lack the humility to even go quietly from a discussion where your facts are proved erroneous.

But don’t quit you being you, SG. Your bad faith arguments and contrarianism are like sweet nectar!

:clap: :lol:
Lost a debate? What debate were we having? Everything I brought up, you bought hook, line and sinker because it fit your echo chamber. This is why CH says you have bad instincts. You pedaled untrue Putin stories and still do to this day.
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2 Destroyers passing through is a good sign but not proof that it's open or that tankers will follow.

Did iran open it as part of the ceasefire? Will it stay open now that talks ended?

Wby are you so very optimistic if it makes trump look good and so very pessimistic if it makes trump look bad? Can you at least try to be consistent?
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UNI88 wrote: Sun Apr 12, 2026 7:37 am
BDKJMU wrote: Sun Apr 12, 2026 3:41 am
The strait is open.
https://redstate.com/streiff/2026/04/11 ... n-n2201188
2 Destroyers passing through is a good sign but not proof that it's open or that tankers will follow.

Did iran open it as part of the ceasefire? Will it stay open now that talks ended?

Wby are you so very optimistic if it makes trump look good and so very pessimistic if it makes trump look bad? Can you at least try to be consistent?
Iran can‘t ‘close‘ it, so there‘s nothing to ‘open’ There’s no moat, gate, or Iranian Navy. If ships started going through it en masse, Iran even if they wanted couldn’t hit more than a fraction of them. Heck if parked the US Navy there might not hit any. All Iran can do is threaten. The only country that could actually close the Strait, ie stop every ship, would be the US. Maybe some other Navy’s. Not Iran.

According to the Googles no ship has been struck since March 4- that‘s 5 1/2 weeks ago. And that was a container ship that apparently just got a fire in the engine room, so probably just a drone, as opposed to missile that could possible sink a ship
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SeattleGriz wrote: Sun Apr 12, 2026 7:05 am
kalm wrote: Sat Apr 11, 2026 8:03 pm

When you constantly lose every debate there’s always Covington Classic! :lol:

I’ve mistakenly believed my share of reporting that got the story wrong. We all have. Except you. Because you lack the humility to even go quietly from a discussion where your facts are proved erroneous.

But don’t quit you being you, SG. Your bad faith arguments and contrarianism are like sweet nectar!

:clap: :lol:
Lost a debate? What debate were we having? Everything I brought up, you bought hook, line and sinker because it fit your echo chamber. This is why CH says you have bad instincts. You pedaled untrue Putin stories and still do to this day.
You aren’t even aware of conversations and thread topics :lol: . You inserted Putin here and when you didn’t like the response went back years to Putin’s health and Covington Catholic. BECAUSE YOU LACK A MEANINGFUL GRASP OF THE SITUATION. :lol:

Nice to see you’re still a Russian fanboi.
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kalm wrote: Sun Apr 12, 2026 9:00 am
SeattleGriz wrote: Sun Apr 12, 2026 7:05 am

Lost a debate? What debate were we having? Everything I brought up, you bought hook, line and sinker because it fit your echo chamber. This is why CH says you have bad instincts. You pedaled untrue Putin stories and still do to this day.
You aren’t even aware of conversations and thread topics :lol: . You inserted Putin here and when you didn’t like the response went back years to Putin’s health and Covington Catholic. BECAUSE YOU LACK A MEANINGFUL GRASP OF THE SITUATION. :lol:

Nice to see you’re still a Russian fanboi.
Hey, you’re cheer leading Iran hard in this conflict

That means Vladimir is on your team for this one
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kalm wrote: Sun Apr 12, 2026 9:00 am
SeattleGriz wrote: Sun Apr 12, 2026 7:05 am

Lost a debate? What debate were we having? Everything I brought up, you bought hook, line and sinker because it fit your echo chamber. This is why CH says you have bad instincts. You pedaled untrue Putin stories and still do to this day.
You aren’t even aware of conversations and thread topics :lol: . You inserted Putin here and when you didn’t like the response went back years to Putin’s health and Covington Catholic. BECAUSE YOU LACK A MEANINGFUL GRASP OF THE SITUATION. :lol:

Nice to see you’re still a Russian fanboi.
Nice to see you clinging to the Putin is evil routine but yet bitch about Israel. You have no clue what is going on, do you?
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Caribbean Hen wrote: Sun Apr 12, 2026 9:49 am
kalm wrote: Sun Apr 12, 2026 9:00 am

You aren’t even aware of conversations and thread topics :lol: . You inserted Putin here and when you didn’t like the response went back years to Putin’s health and Covington Catholic. BECAUSE YOU LACK A MEANINGFUL GRASP OF THE SITUATION. :lol:

Nice to see you’re still a Russian fanboi.
Hey, you’re cheer leading Iran hard in this conflict

That means Vladimir is on your team for this one
Oh the irony. Authoritarian regimes are on your side of political spectrum too, Biff. Especially religious, patriarchal ones like Iran. If they were white you’d love them.

Show me one instance where I’m cheerleading hard for Iran’s leaders. I’ll wait.
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SeattleGriz wrote: Sun Apr 12, 2026 11:21 am
kalm wrote: Sun Apr 12, 2026 9:00 am

You aren’t even aware of conversations and thread topics :lol: . You inserted Putin here and when you didn’t like the response went back years to Putin’s health and Covington Catholic. BECAUSE YOU LACK A MEANINGFUL GRASP OF THE SITUATION. :lol:

Nice to see you’re still a Russian fanboi.
Nice to see you clinging to the Putin is evil routine but yet bitch about Israel. You have no clue what is going on, do you?
There you go defending Putin again.

Well Putin is indeed evil as is the current Israeli government.

Just relying on facts here.
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