Tea Party 48%, Obama 44%

[Baldy]

Either you're a master at deflection or everybody gets it but you, nathan.

Where was the outrage while the previous administration was spending us into oblivion? The so-called Tea Party sat still for eight years while our civil liberties were flushed down the toilet and the middle class was beaten to a pulp. Don't tell me about Obama, this was happening while he was still a state level politician running against a wife-pimping opponent. Eight long years of Dead or Alive and Freedom Fries and Patriot Act and Free Speech Zones and not a peep out of these buffoons until a black man gets elected........you got nothing, norman...........other than deflection and diversion..........

Speaking of deflection....

Where are you and people of your ilk, now?

You people whined about "Bush Deficits", where is the outrage now that your guy is in office and running deficits 4-5X what Bush ever did? You people whined about Bush's Patriot Act, it's still in effect and many parts of it are getting renewed as we speak. You people whined about Gitmo....Obama promised to close it within a year, it's still there and open for business. You people whined about Iraq, we are still in Iraq. Obama is (finally) pumping up the war machine in Afghanistan, not a peep out of you people. When Bush floated the trial balloon about lifting the ban on drilling off the east coast, the leftist had a screaming hissy fit. Obama campaigned against lifting the ban, but amazingly all of the sudden has lifted the ban. Again, from the left all we have is virtual silence.

Where are all the people who were screaming "Bush Lied People Died" now? Obama has lied and people are still dying. All I hear out of you people now is crickets.....

[kalm]

Either you're a master at deflection or everybody gets it but you, nathan.

Where was the outrage while the previous administration was spending us into oblivion? The so-called Tea Party sat still for eight years while our civil liberties were flushed down the toilet and the middle class was beaten to a pulp. Don't tell me about Obama, this was happening while he was still a state level politician running against a wife-pimping opponent. Eight long years of Dead or Alive and Freedom Fries and Patriot Act and Free Speech Zones and not a peep out of these buffoons until a black man gets elected........you got nothing, norman...........other than deflection and diversion..........

Speaking of deflection....

Where are you and people of your ilk, now?

You people whined about "Bush Deficits", where is the outrage now that your guy is in office and running deficits 4-5X what Bush ever did? You people whined about Bush's Patriot Act, it's still in effect and many parts of it are getting renewed as we speak. You people whined about Gitmo....Obama promised to close it within a year, it's still there and open for business. You people whined about Iraq, we are still in Iraq. Obama is (finally) pumping up the war machine in Afghanistan, not a peep out of you people. When Bush floated the trial balloon about lifting the ban on drilling off the east coast, the leftist had a screaming hissy fit. Obama campaigned against lifting the ban, but amazingly all of the sudden has lifted the ban. Again, from the left all we have is virtual silence.

Where are all the people who were screaming "Bush Lied People Died" now? Obama has lied and people are still dying. All I hear out of you people now is crickets.....

That dissent is out there although I agree it could be stronger.

[Baldy]

That dissent is out there although I agree it could be stronger.

Just like there was dissent with the Medicare Prescription Drug Program, when Homeland Security was formed, etc. The later we got into Bush's presidency the louder the complaining got. It just got very little attention from the media.

[kalm]

That dissent is out there although I agree it could be stronger.

Just like there was dissent with the Medicare Prescription Drug Program, when Homeland Security was formed, etc. The later we got into Bush's presidency the louder the complaining got. It just got very little attention from the media.

Especially the msm who are lap dogs to the power elite - regardless of which party.

[Appaholic]

Either you're a master at deflection or everybody gets it but you, nathan.

Where was the outrage while the previous administration was spending us into oblivion? The so-called Tea Party sat still for eight years while our civil liberties were flushed down the toilet and the middle class was beaten to a pulp. Don't tell me about Obama, this was happening while he was still a state level politician running against a wife-pimping opponent. Eight long years of Dead or Alive and Freedom Fries and Patriot Act and Free Speech Zones and not a peep out of these buffoons until a black man gets elected........you got nothing, norman...........other than deflection and diversion..........

Speaking of deflection....

Where are you and people of your ilk, now?

You people whined about "Bush Deficits", where is the outrage now that your guy is in office and running deficits 4-5X what Bush ever did? You people whined about Bush's Patriot Act, it's still in effect and many parts of it are getting renewed as we speak. You people whined about Gitmo....Obama promised to close it within a year, it's still there and open for business. You people whined about Iraq, we are still in Iraq. Obama is (finally) pumping up the war machine in Afghanistan, not a peep out of you people. When Bush floated the trial balloon about lifting the ban on drilling off the east coast, the leftist had a screaming hissy fit. Obama campaigned against lifting the ban, but amazingly all of the sudden has lifted the ban. Again, from the left all we have is virtual silence.

Where are all the people who were screaming "Bush Lied People Died" now? Obama has lied and people are still dying. All I hear out of you people now is crickets.....

Bingo Baldy! & therein lies the crux of most American's political involvement (& hypocritic double-standard) & the politician's ability to placate our anger in the past. The divide-&-conquer appraoch works well to allow the 2 biggies to always maintain power. Why? Because most voters, when it gets down to it, really only care about one or two individual issues & to hell with the rest of a candidate's platform....& to hell with the Constitution if it's convenient to your pet issue....

[houndawg]

Either you're a master at deflection or everybody gets it but you, nathan.

Where was the outrage while the previous administration was spending us into oblivion? The so-called Tea Party sat still for eight years while our civil liberties were flushed down the toilet and the middle class was beaten to a pulp. Don't tell me about Obama, this was happening while he was still a state level politician running against a wife-pimping opponent. Eight long years of Dead or Alive and Freedom Fries and Patriot Act and Free Speech Zones and not a peep out of these buffoons until a black man gets elected........you got nothing, norman...........other than deflection and diversion..........

Speaking of deflection....

Where are you and people of your ilk, now?

You people whined about "Bush Deficits", where is the outrage now that your guy is in office and running deficits 4-5X what Bush ever did? You people whined about Bush's Patriot Act, it's still in effect and many parts of it are getting renewed as we speak. You people whined about Gitmo....Obama promised to close it within a year, it's still there and open for business. You people whined about Iraq, we are still in Iraq. Obama is (finally) pumping up the war machine in Afghanistan, not a peep out of you people. When Bush floated the trial balloon about lifting the ban on drilling off the east coast, the leftist had a screaming hissy fit. Obama campaigned against lifting the ban, but amazingly all of the sudden has lifted the ban. Again, from the left all we have is virtual silence.

Where are all the people who were screaming "Bush Lied People Died" now? Obama has lied and people are still dying. All I hear out of you people now is crickets.....

Then you aren't listening, which surprises nobody. I agree with each of the criticisms you listed, except Afghanistan, which we have to finish thanks to Ol' Dead or Alive who couldn't walk his talk.

[Baldy]

Speaking of deflection....

Where are you and people of your ilk, now?

You people whined about "Bush Deficits", where is the outrage now that your guy is in office and running deficits 4-5X what Bush ever did? You people whined about Bush's Patriot Act, it's still in effect and many parts of it are getting renewed as we speak. You people whined about Gitmo....Obama promised to close it within a year, it's still there and open for business. You people whined about Iraq, we are still in Iraq. Obama is (finally) pumping up the war machine in Afghanistan, not a peep out of you people. When Bush floated the trial balloon about lifting the ban on drilling off the east coast, the leftist had a screaming hissy fit. Obama campaigned against lifting the ban, but amazingly all of the sudden has lifted the ban. Again, from the left all we have is virtual silence.

Where are all the people who were screaming "Bush Lied People Died" now? Obama has lied and people are still dying. All I hear out of you people now is crickets.....

Then you aren't listening, which surprises nobody. I agree with each of the criticisms you listed, except Afghanistan, which we have to finish thanks to Ol' Dead or Alive who couldn't walk his talk.

Well then, where have you been?
You've been tripping over your Birkenstocks to point out every wrong doing of the Tea Party people, corporate America, and everything Conservative in nature.

Don't just agree, lets hear you say it....

[AZGrizFan]

Speaking of deflection....

Where are you and people of your ilk, now?

You people whined about "Bush Deficits", where is the outrage now that your guy is in office and running deficits 4-5X what Bush ever did? You people whined about Bush's Patriot Act, it's still in effect and many parts of it are getting renewed as we speak. You people whined about Gitmo....Obama promised to close it within a year, it's still there and open for business. You people whined about Iraq, we are still in Iraq. Obama is (finally) pumping up the war machine in Afghanistan, not a peep out of you people. When Bush floated the trial balloon about lifting the ban on drilling off the east coast, the leftist had a screaming hissy fit. Obama campaigned against lifting the ban, but amazingly all of the sudden has lifted the ban. Again, from the left all we have is virtual silence.

Where are all the people who were screaming "Bush Lied People Died" now? Obama has lied and people are still dying. All I hear out of you people now is crickets.....

That dissent is out there although I agree it could be stronger.

It is? Where?

[houndawg]

Then you aren't listening, which surprises nobody. I agree with each of the criticisms you listed, except Afghanistan, which we have to finish thanks to Ol' Dead or Alive who couldn't walk his talk.

Well then, where have you been?
You've been tripping over your Birkenstocks to point out every wrong doing of the Tea Party people, corporate America, and everything Conservative in nature.

Don't just agree, lets hear you say it....

Birkenstocks are passe, amigo, I roll with Chacos.

[native]

Don't you think if it were so obvious we're heading towards Communism... the stock market would be a little scared... and might drop just a bit? Why would anyone keep money in stocks?

No, not really. The stock market typically doesn't "look" beyond the next quarter, let alone the next year, the next deace, or the next generation.

[native]

...Sorry, but it's kind of hard to take them serious....
And he's not failing the country alone...these so-called outraged teabagger's failed our country by not getting involved in previous administrations or, when getting involved, continuing to send back the same junk to capitol hill election after election after election......

It's hard to take the tea party seriously but easy to take Obama and the progrssives seriously?!???

Kevin O'Brien asks the same question you ask, and then provides a thoughtful answer in the Cleveland Plain Dealer:

"...If only ordinary Americans hadn't been so inattentive. If only ordinary Americans hadn't been so trusting. If only ordinary Americans hadn't been so damnably nice, the country would be in a better position to manage its finances today.

But when have Americans not tried to look for the good in every situation? When have we not been slow to recognize the need to deal with forces, foreign or domestic, aligning against our best interests?

Better late than never, a lot of ordinary Americans are waking up to the sobering reality that there really is no one they can trust. Not Democrats. Not Republicans. Not government. Not corporations. And certainly not corporations in league with government. ..."

http://www.cleveland.com/opinion/index. ... _of_a.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Appaholic]

...Sorry, but it's kind of hard to take them serious....
And he's not failing the country alone...these so-called outraged teabagger's failed our country by not getting involved in previous administrations or, when getting involved, continuing to send back the same junk to capitol hill election after election after election......

It's hard to take the tea party seriously but easy to take Obama and the progrssives seriously?!???

Kevin O'Brien asks the same question you ask, and then provides a thoughtful answer in the Cleveland Plain Dealer:

"...If only ordinary Americans hadn't been so inattentive. If only ordinary Americans hadn't been so trusting. If only ordinary Americans hadn't been so damnably nice, the country would be in a better position to manage its finances today.

But when have Americans not tried to look for the good in every situation? When have we not been slow to recognize the need to deal with forces, foreign or domestic, aligning against our best interests?

Better late than never, a lot of ordinary Americans are waking up to the sobering reality that there really is no one they can trust. Not Democrats. Not Republicans. Not government. Not corporations. And certainly not corporations in league with government. ..."

http://www.cleveland.com/opinion/index. ... _of_a.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

He's right....& the Teqbagger's would have more credibility with me if they were raising hell at both parties. But they're not...in fact, they're inviting sitting Republican Senators & Representatives to their rally. And the Teabagger Matron Saint, Sarah Palin, was in Arizona pleading with citizen's to send McCain back to the Senate. How can you justify, rationalize or even excuse that inconsistency when you are supposedly outraged at the current government?

I never claimed to take Obama seriously...I take niether party seriously. But the Teabagger's, like yourself, seldom make that distinction. Instead, they blame al the ills of our country on the black guy.

[native]

It's hard to take the tea party seriously but easy to take Obama and the progrssives seriously?!???

Kevin O'Brien asks the same question you ask, and then provides a thoughtful answer in the Cleveland Plain Dealer:

"...If only ordinary Americans hadn't been so inattentive. If only ordinary Americans hadn't been so trusting. If only ordinary Americans hadn't been so damnably nice, the country would be in a better position to manage its finances today.

But when have Americans not tried to look for the good in every situation? When have we not been slow to recognize the need to deal with forces, foreign or domestic, aligning against our best interests?

Better late than never, a lot of ordinary Americans are waking up to the sobering reality that there really is no one they can trust. Not Democrats. Not Republicans. Not government. Not corporations. And certainly not corporations in league with government. ..."

http://www.cleveland.com/opinion/index. ... _of_a.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

He's right....& the Teqbagger's would have more credibility with me if they were raising hell at both parties. But they're not...in fact, they're inviting sitting Republican Senators & Representatives to their rally. And the Teabagger Matron Saint, Sarah Palin, was in Arizona pleading with citizen's to send McCain back to the Senate. How can you justify, rationalize or even excuse that inconsistency when you are supposedly outraged at the current government?

I never claimed to take Obama seriously...I take niether party seriously. But the Teabagger's, like yourself, seldom make that distinction. Instead, they blame al the ills of our country on the black guy.

But the Tea Partiers are indeed taking shots at Republicans performance, as strongly evidenced by the opposition from some parts of the Republican machine to tea party issues and the fact that tea party support does not translate directly to Republican support in polls.

Healthy scepticism is a good thing, and we must be ever vigilant if we are to protect our liberty!

But when you magnify Republican failures and pecadillos in your mind to same level of moral equivalency as the pernicious policies and programs of the "progressives," then the inconsistency in your own imagination obscures the meaningful differences which allow us to create meaningful solutions.

I do not blame Obama alone for all the nation's ills, but I do blame "progressive" policies and programs, those who actively support them, and those fence sitters who passively support them by failing to distinguish the policy pepper from the massive quantities of policy fly sh!t.

[houndawg]

He's right....& the Teqbagger's would have more credibility with me if they were raising hell at both parties. But they're not...in fact, they're inviting sitting Republican Senators & Representatives to their rally. And the Teabagger Matron Saint, Sarah Palin, was in Arizona pleading with citizen's to send McCain back to the Senate. How can you justify, rationalize or even excuse that inconsistency when you are supposedly outraged at the current government?

I never claimed to take Obama seriously...I take niether party seriously. But the Teabagger's, like yourself, seldom make that distinction. Instead, they blame al the ills of our country on the black guy.

But the Tea Partiers are indeed taking shots at Republicans performance, as strongly evidenced by the opposition from some parts of the Republican machine to tea party issues and the fact that tea party support does not translate directly to Republican support in polls.

Healthy scepticism is a good thing, and we must be ever vigilant if we are to protect our liberty!

But when you magnify Republican failures and pecadillos in your mind to same level of moral equivalency as the pernicious policies and programs of the "progressives," then the inconsistency in your own imagination obscures the meaningful differences which allow us to create meaningful solutions.

I do not blame Obama alone for all the nation's ills, but I do blame "progressive" policies and programs, those who actively support them, and those fence sitters who passively support them by failing to distinguish the policy pepper from the massive quantities of policy fly sh!t.

Somebody is channeling their inner nattering nabob of negativism...........

[Appaholic]

He's right....& the Teqbagger's would have more credibility with me if they were raising hell at both parties. But they're not...in fact, they're inviting sitting Republican Senators & Representatives to their rally. And the Teabagger Matron Saint, Sarah Palin, was in Arizona pleading with citizen's to send McCain back to the Senate. How can you justify, rationalize or even excuse that inconsistency when you are supposedly outraged at the current government?

I never claimed to take Obama seriously...I take niether party seriously. But the Teabagger's, like yourself, seldom make that distinction. Instead, they blame al the ills of our country on the black guy.

But the Tea Partiers are indeed taking shots at Republicans performance, as strongly evidenced by the opposition from some parts of the Republican machine to tea party issues and the fact that tea party support does not translate directly to Republican support in polls.

We'll see come Nov. If majority of Tea Partiers vote for Rep vs 3rd party, then it will be as I suspected...

Healthy scepticism is a good thing, and we must be ever vigilant if we are to protect our liberty!

If current career politicians start rallying to your cause, you should be skeptical...

But when you magnify Republican failures and pecadillos in your mind to same level of moral equivalency as the pernicious policies and programs of the "progressives," then the inconsistency in your own imagination obscures the meaningful differences which allow us to create meaningful solutions.

Disagree that Dems are more at fault than Republicans historically. Agree that your inconsistency in holding politician's accountable regardless of the letter beside their name & continuing to gloss over this issue is why we'll agree to disagree on the sincerity of the TP movement until it's proven to me otherwise as I stated earlier...

I do not blame Obama alone for all the nation's ills, but I do blame "progressive" policies and programs, those who actively support them, and those fence sitters who passively support them by failing to distinguish the policy pepper from the massive quantities of policy fly sh!t.

I blame progressive policies equally with the regressive policies Republicans continue to espouse & preach like Drug War...

BTW, did you see 60 min Sun night? Had a very postitive segment on regarding how Bush's policy of providing AIDS drugs to African country has increased the amount of love African's have for America. I was so proud that Bush & our government was providing this form of taxpyer-subsidized/socialized healthcare to Africans since all the AIDS patients in America have free AIDS drugs.....

[blueballs]

Either you're a master at deflection or everybody gets it but you, nathan.

Where was the outrage while the previous administration was spending us into oblivion? The so-called Tea Party sat still for eight years while our civil liberties were flushed down the toilet and the middle class was beaten to a pulp. Don't tell me about Obama, this was happening while he was still a state level politician running against a wife-pimping opponent. Eight long years of Dead or Alive and Freedom Fries and Patriot Act and Free Speech Zones and not a peep out of these buffoons until a black man gets elected........you got nothing, norman...........other than deflection and diversion..........

Speaking of deflection....

Where are you and people of your ilk, now?

You people whined about "Bush Deficits", where is the outrage now that your guy is in office and running deficits 4-5X what Bush ever did? You people whined about Bush's Patriot Act, it's still in effect and many parts of it are getting renewed as we speak. You people whined about Gitmo....Obama promised to close it within a year, it's still there and open for business. You people whined about Iraq, we are still in Iraq. Obama is (finally) pumping up the war machine in Afghanistan, not a peep out of you people. When Bush floated the trial balloon about lifting the ban on drilling off the east coast, the leftist had a screaming hissy fit. Obama campaigned against lifting the ban, but amazingly all of the sudden has lifted the ban. Again, from the left all we have is virtual silence.

Where are all the people who were screaming "Bush Lied People Died" now? Obama has lied and people are still dying. All I hear out of you people now is crickets.....

Baldy has delivered the coup de grace to this debate... nothing else to discuss. Move on to the next topic...

[death dealer]

People need to STOP WHINING about EVERYTHING.

Jesus Christ........do people have families, jobs, hobbies, lives????......

Goddamn that's the pot calling the kettle black!!!

[death dealer]

Tea Party. All these guys are going to accomplish is a second term for Obama.

[houndawg]

Tea Party. All these guys are going to accomplish is a second term for Obama.

You'll be able to tell when they become a legitimate threat by the lack of spelling errors on their signs.

[houndawg]

Either you're a master at deflection or everybody gets it but you, nathan.

Where was the outrage while the previous administration was spending us into oblivion? The so-called Tea Party sat still for eight years while our civil liberties were flushed down the toilet and the middle class was beaten to a pulp. Don't tell me about Obama, this was happening while he was still a state level politician running against a wife-pimping opponent. Eight long years of Dead or Alive and Freedom Fries and Patriot Act and Free Speech Zones and not a peep out of these buffoons until a black man gets elected........you got nothing, norman...........other than deflection and diversion..........

Speaking of deflection....

Where are you and people of your ilk, now?

You people whined about "Bush Deficits", where is the outrage now that your guy is in office and running deficits 4-5X what Bush ever did? You people whined about Bush's Patriot Act, it's still in effect and many parts of it are getting renewed as we speak. You people whined about Gitmo....Obama promised to close it within a year, it's still there and open for business. You people whined about Iraq, we are still in Iraq. Obama is (finally) pumping up the war machine in Afghanistan, not a peep out of you people. When Bush floated the trial balloon about lifting the ban on drilling off the east coast, the leftist had a screaming hissy fit. Obama campaigned against lifting the ban, but amazingly all of the sudden has lifted the ban. Again, from the left all we have is virtual silence.

Where are all the people who were screaming "Bush Lied People Died" now? Obama has lied and people are still dying. All I hear out of you people now is crickets.....

I asked first...

[native]

Tea Party. All these guys are going to accomplish is a second term for Obama.

You'll be able to tell when they become a legitimate threat by the lack of spelling errors on their signs.

Those are from the tea party crashers...

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