FUCK MISSISIPPI GOP, and FUCK EVANGELICALS

[Grizalltheway]

**** stains on humanity. They need to be wiped out. They are the enemy of freedom, no different than ISIS.


**** anyone that supports these bigoted piece of shits.

The ironic thing is that it is those on your side who wish to take freedom away. You and others like you for some reason think government should force other people to like you, accept you, deal with you, etc. You are downright enthusiastic about denying people the freedom to decide who they will and will not interact with, etc.

That's the sad thing. The whole "anti discrimination law" paradigm is all about attacking liberty and it always has been. But we somehow evolved into a culture wherein the prevalent view is that there is NOTHING more important than preventing discrimination. Not Liberty. Not the Free Exercise of Religion. Not anything.

And so somebody's "right" to force someone else to make a wedding cake for them is somehow more important than someone's right to live according to their religious beliefs. The world has turned bass akwards.

Can you point us to the Bible passage that says you'll go to hell if you make a cake for a gay wedding?

[kalm]

I don't see myself supporting this shit. Do I? I do see dback calling for the extermination of Christians as a whole because some disagree with him, but not Muslins who preach death.

Note:see the difference?

Where do you see me calling for the extermination of real Christians? Lyin Ted has a new running mate.

And Fuck Muslims that kill gays, or advocate it.

Ted Cruz hangs out with CHRISTIANS that say the same damn thing as the muslin asshole - where are your threads condemning that?


Catholics in Philly beat up gays. Where is your condemnation of your religion's violence taught in the schools you support?

Yeah!!!

[YoUDeeMan]

I don't see myself supporting this shit. Do I? I do see dback calling for the extermination of Christians as a whole because some disagree with him, but not Muslins who preach death.

Note:see the difference?

Where do you see me calling for the extermination of real Christians? Lyin Ted has a new running mate.

And Fuck Muslims that kill gays, or advocate it.

Ted Cruz hangs out with CHRISTIANS that say the same damn thing as the muslin asshole - where are your threads condemning that?


Catholics in Philly beat up gays. Where is your condemnation of your religion's violence taught in the schools you support?

And Hillary supports the Muslin leaders, and takes money from those, that openly support killing fags. She also supports those wonderful central American, wealthy, mainly Catholic, oligarchs that toss out elected officials, and then Hillary makes sure the US continues to supply weapons to those fvkctards, so that they can continue to kill fags and transgendered people. Yet you continue to not attack Hillary...your lying sack-o-shlt hero. All the while you still refuse to condemn your other hero, Milk, who raped an underage boy.

You're worse than Travis. He loved the Queen of England, and all the pageantry, despite the fact that the Royal family didn't give a rat's arse about gays.

Say, are you one of those gay guys who insists on keeping a goal-setting, lying, almost macho, straight, female friend around who you know is laughing at you behind your back while telling you she supports you?

[JohnStOnge]

JSO - you really live in bizzaro world, don't you.

You are defending the "freedom" to discriminate against those you don't like.

newsflash - in the United States, once you enter the public realm by opening a business, you forfeit the right to discriminate. It is sad that there are mutherfucking racists and bigots like you outthere that think that is acceptable behavior.


Once CHOICE of a religion does not supercede my rights. **** ANYONE THAT THINKS THAT.

See underline. Therein lies the problem. Somehow we have developed the idea in this country that one has a right to force someone else to deal with them. A right is something you have that no one should be able to take away. If someone else has to give it to you, it's not a truly a right. You have a right to have a homosexual relationship. You do NOT have a right to force other people to accept you. You have the power because government has come in as the heavy to compel it. But it's not really a right. It's an intrusion.

And that whole "public realm" thing is just an excuse. One thing that IS a right is the right to engage in commerce on either side of a transaction. When government says you can't discriminate and decide upon who you will and will not do business with government is taking what should be an intrinsic right away. It is an incredible intrusion upon liberty. Any person should have a right to decide for themselves who they will and will not buy from or sell to and they should not have to account to government as to their reasons for deciding who they will deal with.

This thing of thinking one is entitled to force someone else to engage in commerce with them is horrible. It's a very significant attack upon the right of people to make decisions about their own lives.

[Vidav]

JSO, you really are a fucking terrible person. Like, really fucking awful.

[kalm]

JSO - you really live in bizzaro world, don't you.

You are defending the "freedom" to discriminate against those you don't like.

newsflash - in the United States, once you enter the public realm by opening a business, you forfeit the right to discriminate. It is sad that there are mutherfucking racists and bigots like you outthere that think that is acceptable behavior.


Once CHOICE of a religion does not supercede my rights. **** ANYONE THAT THINKS THAT.

See underline. Therein lies the problem. Somehow we have developed the idea in this country that one has a right to force someone else to deal with them. A right is something you have that no one should be able to take away. If someone else has to give it to you, it's not a truly a right. You have a right to have a homosexual relationship. You do NOT have a right to force other people to accept you. You have the power because government has come in as the heavy to compel it. But it's not really a right. It's an intrusion.

And that whole "public realm" thing is just an excuse. One thing that IS a right is the right to engage in commerce on either side of a transaction. When government says you can't discriminate and decide upon who you will and will not do business with government is taking what should be an intrinsic right away. It is an incredible intrusion upon liberty. Any person should have a right to decide for themselves who they will and will not buy from or sell to and they should not have to account to government as to their reasons for deciding who they will deal with.

This thing of thinking one is entitled to force someone else to engage in commerce with them is horrible. It's a very significant attack upon the right of people to make decisions about their own lives.

Where does it say you have a right to engage in commerce?

[Grizalltheway]

See underline. Therein lies the problem. Somehow we have developed the idea in this country that one has a right to force someone else to deal with them. A right is something you have that no one should be able to take away. If someone else has to give it to you, it's not a truly a right. You have a right to have a homosexual relationship. You do NOT have a right to force other people to accept you. You have the power because government has come in as the heavy to compel it. But it's not really a right. It's an intrusion.

And that whole "public realm" thing is just an excuse. One thing that IS a right is the right to engage in commerce on either side of a transaction. When government says you can't discriminate and decide upon who you will and will not do business with government is taking what should be an intrinsic right away. It is an incredible intrusion upon liberty. Any person should have a right to decide for themselves who they will and will not buy from or sell to and they should not have to account to government as to their reasons for deciding who they will deal with.

This thing of thinking one is entitled to force someone else to engage in commerce with them is horrible. It's a very significant attack upon the right of people to make decisions about their own lives.

Where does it say you have a right to engage in commerce?

Still waiting on that Bible passage.

[YoUDeeMan]

JSO, you really are a fucking terrible person. Like, really fucking awful.

Well, actually, he's right.

The government FORCES a business person to do business with others. That is odd, especially considering how our country was supposedly formed upon a notion of freedom from excessive government control.

Frankly, I would not care if someone did not want to do business with me. That's his/her choice. But, I would have the choice regarding how I would react. If I didn't like the treatment, I'd engage my friends and neighbors to not do business with the place. In the end, the business would sink or swim based upon how customer's felt about the business and its decisions.

That's ultimately how things should be.

As an offshoot, in the opposite direction, although it is illegal for businesses to discriminate, many public entities (states, cities, etc.) now reserve some portion of their contracts to certain groups (low income, race, etc.).

So, the government is saying YOU can't discriminate, but THEY can.

Seriously, you can't make this stuff up.

[JohnStOnge]

Where does it say you have a right to engage in commerce?

It is a natural right and it is part of the right to liberty described in the Declaration of Independence. As I've written before, the Declaration of Independence contains the principles underlying the founding of the nation. The Constitution is the set of operating procedures. It also contains NOTHING that justifies the idea that people in private industry on the selling side of transactions should be forced by government to deal with people they don't want to deal with.

Now, from where do you derive the "right" of one person to force another person to to deal with them? What's your reference for that?

[YoUDeeMan]

Oh, and there are many businesses that do enjoy racial segregation.

Black Miss America pageant. Black Entertainment Network.

Vidav...do you consider the people that run those type of businesses really fvcking terrible, awful people?

[JohnStOnge]

Still waiting on that Bible passage.

No Bible passage is necessary. It's not up to me or you to define someone else's religious belief. A person who is a Christian should not be required by government to cite a Bible passage in order to live according to their religious beliefs.

Again: The idea of the free exercise of religion is supposed to be one of the prime principles of this country. The idea that homosexuals should be able to force people to accept their lifestyles is not.

[Vidav]

Oh, and there are many businesses that do enjoy racial segregation.

Black Miss America pageant. Black Entertainment Network.

Vidav...do you consider the people that run those type of businesses really fvcking terrible, awful people?

Cluck, those are not even close to the same thing and you know it. You are a smart guy, I know this is a troll.

[YoUDeeMan]

Oh, and there are many businesses that do enjoy racial segregation.

Black Miss America pageant. Black Entertainment Network.

Vidav...do you consider the people that run those type of businesses really fvcking terrible, awful people?

Cluck, those are not even close to the same thing and you know it. You are a smart guy, I know this is a troll.

Nope.

No troll.

Why are you not offended by those obviously racist organizations and businesses?

The premise is the same. They want to serve only a particular race. If you are White, you are not welcome to participate at the Black Miss America event.

Why is that OK?

[Vidav]

Cluck, those are not even close to the same thing and you know it. You are a smart guy, I know this is a troll.

Nope.

No troll.

Why are you not offended by those obviously racist organizations and businesses?

The premise is the same. They want to serve only a particular race. If you are White, you are not welcome to participate at the Black Miss America event.

Why is that OK?

To hold a competition for black women is not that same as saying that only white people can enter a business. It's like comparing miss america pageants to some club that only allows men. They aren't the same.

[YoUDeeMan]

Nope.

No troll.

Why are you not offended by those obviously racist organizations and businesses?

The premise is the same. They want to serve only a particular race. If you are White, you are not welcome to participate at the Black Miss America event.

Why is that OK?

To hold a competition for black women is not that same as saying that only white people can enter a business. It's like comparing miss america pageants to some club that only allows men. They aren't the same.

Who said anything about simply entering a place?

JSO was talking about being FORCED to offer their business services to everyone. So a gay person can FORCE a business to make the gay person a cake, but a White person can't FORCE the Black business to allow the White person to enter their contest (which is a business)?

And in your club example...so a business can discriminate based upon gender...but not race? That is OK?

[kalm]

JSO, you really are a fucking terrible person. Like, really fucking awful.

Well, actually, he's right.

The government FORCES a business person to do business with others. That is odd, especially considering how our country was supposedly formed upon a notion of freedom from excessive government control.

Frankly, I would not care if someone did not want to do business with me. That's his/her choice. But, I would have the choice regarding how I would react. If I didn't like the treatment, I'd engage my friends and neighbors to not do business with the place. In the end, the business would sink or swim based upon how customer's felt about the business and its decisions.

That's ultimately how things should be.

As an offshoot, in the opposite direction, although it is illegal for businesses to discriminate, many public entities (states, cities, etc.) now reserve some portion of their contracts to certain groups (low income, race, etc.).

So, the government is saying YOU can't discriminate, but THEY can.

Seriously, you can't make this stuff up.

Try all of that if you lived in a company town.

[Chizzang]

To hold a competition for black women is not that same as saying that only white people can enter a business. It's like comparing miss america pageants to some club that only allows men. They aren't the same.

Who said anything about simply entering a place?

JSO was talking about being FORCED to offer their business services to everyone. So a gay person can FORCE a business to make the gay person a cake, but a White person can't FORCE the Black business to allow the White person to enter their contest (which is a business)?

And in your club example...so a business can discriminate based upon gender...but not race? That is OK?

First of all - its an elaborate ruse...
This ^ ENTIRE situation between homosexuals and Fundamentalists

Frankly its an idiots race to see who can be the most offended by the stupidest possible outcome
AND
The amount of hypothetical nonsense required to get to the end-game
in this ridiculous charade would make Rube Goldberg blush

Nobody enjoys piling-on the idiot Fundamentalist hypocrites MORE THAN I DO...!!!
But for the love of Pete leave them alone
Why would you want to do business with somebody who doesn't want to do business with you..?

I know the answer:
You wouldn't - The end... Move along
Buy your cake from the grocery store and order your gay topper from Amazon
and be done with it...

[kalm]

Who said anything about simply entering a place?

JSO was talking about being FORCED to offer their business services to everyone. So a gay person can FORCE a business to make the gay person a cake, but a White person can't FORCE the Black business to allow the White person to enter their contest (which is a business)?

And in your club example...so a business can discriminate based upon gender...but not race? That is OK?

First of all - its an elaborate ruse...
This ^ ENTIRE situation between homosexuals and Fundamentalists

Frankly its an idiots race to see who can be the most offended by the stupidest possible outcome
AND
The amount of hypothetical nonsense required to get to the end-game
in this ridiculous charade would make Rube Goldberg blush

Nobody enjoys piling-on the idiot Fundamentalist hypocrites MORE THAN I DO...!!!
But for the love of Pete leave them alone
Why would you want to do business with somebody who doesn't want to do business with you..?

I know the answer:
You wouldn't - The end... Move along
Buy your cake from the grocery store and order your gay topper from Amazon
and be done with it...

Again, that makes sense as long as you have those choices. But what happens in the case of large scale monopolies? What if you live in a small town with one bakery?

[bandl]

First of all - its an elaborate ruse...
This ^ ENTIRE situation between homosexuals and Fundamentalists

Frankly its an idiots race to see who can be the most offended by the stupidest possible outcome
AND
The amount of hypothetical nonsense required to get to the end-game
in this ridiculous charade would make Rube Goldberg blush

Nobody enjoys piling-on the idiot Fundamentalist hypocrites MORE THAN I DO...!!!
But for the love of Pete leave them alone
Why would you want to do business with somebody who doesn't want to do business with you..?

I know the answer:
You wouldn't - The end... Move along
Buy your cake from the grocery store and order your gay topper from Amazon
and be done with it...

Again, that makes sense as long as you have those choices. But what happens in the case of large scale monopolies? What if you live in a small town with one bakery?

Move. Make your own. Drive to another town. Don't go to a bakery. Blow the current bakery up.

[kalm]

Again, that makes sense as long as you have those choices. But what happens in the case of large scale monopolies? What if you live in a small town with one bakery?

Move. Make your own. Drive to another town. Don't go to a bakery. Blow the current bakery up.

What about in the case of a national monopoly?

That would take some massive coordination, effort, and bucks.

[bandl]

Move. Make your own. Drive to another town. Don't go to a bakery. Blow the current bakery up.

What about in the case of a national monopoly?

That would take some massive coordination, effort, and bucks.

Don't eat baked goods.
Fuck that though, I love me some baked goods. I'd go postal without baked goods periodically.

[Ibanez]

Where does it say you have a right to engage in commerce?

It is a natural right and it is part of the right to liberty described in the Declaration of Independence. As I've written before, the Declaration of Independence contains the principles underlying the founding of the nation. The Constitution is the set of operating procedures. It also contains NOTHING that justifies the idea that people in private industry on the selling side of transactions should be forced by government to deal with people they don't want to deal with.

Now, from where do you derive the "right" of one person to force another person to to deal with them? What's your reference for that?

I want to make sure you aren't using the Declaration of Independence for anything other than what it is: an 18th Century "Dear John" letter to King George.

[Ibanez]

Sadly, some bumpkin State Senator is proposing a similar bill in SC. It sounds like our Governor will veto it.

[andy7171]

Move. Make your own. Drive to another town. Don't go to a bakery. Blow the current bakery up.

What about in the case of a national monopoly?

That would take some massive coordination, effort, and bucks.

National monopoly? We're talking bakeries. A fucking cake! It's been whittled down to a family bakery. Who cares if a handful of bakeries in the US don't want to make money off someone?

[andy7171]

I don't see myself supporting this shit. Do I? I do see dback calling for the extermination of Christians as a whole because some disagree with him, but not Muslins who preach death.

Note:see the difference?

Where do you see me calling for the extermination of real Christians? Lyin Ted has a new running mate.

And Fuck Muslims that kill gays, or advocate it.

Ted Cruz hangs out with CHRISTIANS that say the same damn thing as the muslin asshole - where are your threads condemning that?


Catholics in Philly beat up gays. Where is your condemnation of your religion's violence taught in the schools you support?

I was never taught violence in my high school. Nor is it preached in my kids schools. Last I checked it was ilegal to beat up anyone, regardless of sexual preferences. Why do we need laws to make it more illegal if the victim is part of a minority? Or a minority of a minority?